Whoever gets the nomination it'll be an interesting election.

"No, you missed more votes!"

"No, you did!"

Repeat.

According to this (new window), Obama missed 33 of the 99 votes that were calculated into their finding. How many did McCain miss that he got to the point where they couldn't rank him?

muck4doo: According to this (new window), Obama missed 33 of the 99 votes that were calculated into their finding. How many did McCain miss that he got to the point where they couldn't rank him?

FTFA: Members who missed more than half of the votes in any of the three issue categories did not receive a composite score in NJ's ratings.

And this raises an interesting question, is it worse to be left-leaning or nonexistent?

cameroncrazy1984: muck4doo: According to this (new window), Obama missed 33 of the 99 votes that were calculated into their finding. How many did McCain miss that he got to the point where they couldn't rank him?

FTFA: Members who missed more than half of the votes in any of the three issue categories did not receive a composite score in NJ's ratings.

So at least 50.

/Thanx. I missed that part.

muck4doo: cameroncrazy1984: muck4doo: According to this (new window), Obama missed 33 of the 99 votes that were calculated into their finding. How many did McCain miss that he got to the point where they couldn't rank him?

FTFA: Members who missed more than half of the votes in any of the three issue categories did not receive a composite score in NJ's ratings.

So at least 50.

/Thanx. I missed that part.

Wait...half the votes in any one of the three catagories. So change that "at least 50" to at least 17. I'd still like to know how many he missed. Time to leave work though.

muck4doo: Wait...half the votes in any one of the three catagories. So change that "at least 50" to at least 17. I'd still like to know how many he missed. Time to leave work though.

John McCain has missed 257 votes (55.3%) during the current Congress.

here is a list of his 100 latest votes. a quick scan looks like he did not vote for around 70 of them

CNN, NY Times quote McCain attacking Obama over vote ratings, but don't report that McCain missed too many votes to draw score


What do you expect from the Conservaive News Network and the NeoCon Times?

/damn Conservative media....

But isn't not voting the "American Way"?

If Hillary gets the nod, the consolation is that with two warmongering economically-retarded douchebags, #1 in the Senate for lobbyist-donor cash (Clinton, by a country mile) and #2 (McCain), Mike Bloomberg will run with Chuck Hagel and will slaughter them.

TheConvincingSavant: And this raises an interesting question, is it worse to be left-leaning or nonexistent?

I'm sorry but no, that's nothing like an interesting question.

among the votes Obama took that purportedly earned him "the most liberal senator" label were: to implement the 9-11 Commission's homeland security recommendations, provide more children with health insurance, expand federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research, and maintain a federal minimum wage.

How dare anyone vote for implementing the 9-11 Commission's recommendations and health care for children!Must be some kind of commie!

Neither of these candidates seem to care about the legislative branch.

Was he at least "present"?

Obama kicks Hillary's tired old ar*e in one on one debates.

John McCain will get murdalized by Barack.

Already looking forward to them!

CNN is not only the Clinton New Network it's also the Corporate News Network. The so-called bastion of Liberal thought, the "document of record" NYT is just another part of the the MIC/ BigBiz/ BigGov triumverate.

The whole left/right divide in the US is deliberately encouraged and manufactured in order to keep half the country angry at the the other half and vice versa leaving the necks of the leaders of both parties relatively unwrung. It's a canard that leads to wot Quatchi has taken to calling the "51/49% solution". See also: Gerrymandered districts.

On Topic?

Barack is a liberal? You say that like it's a bad thing.

In McCain's defense he missed them votes cos he was going through a series of Vietnam flashbacks.

Liberal means Progressive.
Conservative means Regressive.

Forwards or Backwards. Yer choice.

Life is choice. Choose well. Be Well.

....leading to McGrampy losing his temper at some future point in a debate and hollering, "OH YEAH? Well at least I didn't screw everything up by showing up and voting like YOU!"

/Wait, what?

quatchi: Liberal means Progressive.
Conservative means Regressive.



Reality. Learn it. Live it. Love it.

I can see where it would be very difficult or impossible to campaign for president and vote on bills.

I don't care. For the first time in my life I'm a single issue voter.

Churchill2004: quatchi: Liberal means Progressive.
Conservative means Regressive.



Reality. Learn it. Live it. Love it.

Isn't that the chart everyone hates because all the candidates fall predominantly on the right hand side of the spectrum?

Fart_Machine: Isn't that the chart everyone hates because all the candidates fall predominantly on the right hand side of the spectrum?

You're probably thinking of the one with a non-standard definition of "Libertarian."

Media Matters, such a credible and unbiased source.

/sarcasm off

WTFdoesitmatter: Media Matters, such a credible and unbiased source.

/sarcasm off

are you saying mccain didn't miss those votes?

Snarfangel: Fart_Machine: Isn't that the chart everyone hates because all the candidates fall predominantly on the right hand side of the spectrum?

You're probably thinking of the one with a non-standard definition of "Libertarian."

Exactly. A true 2-D political chart doesn't simply subjectively place candidates on the libertarian/authoritarian and left/right spectrums like that chart did. It uses the economic freedom and personal freedom scales, which while still fungible are much more objective. The chart you're thinking off severely overweighted a few issues surrounding corporate law and ignored most other things.

WTFdoesitmatter: Media Matters, such a credible and unbiased source.

/sarcasm off

Bias does not change facts. Media matters is truthful.
Fox is biased and untruthful. Please, before you give up on caring about anything, learn a little.

If it is Obama/Mccain they seems to be two capable people with two very different visions of how things should be.

The douchbag/turd sandwich suggests they are both the same with very little choice. That same logic in 2004 got bush elected again and look at things now.

/Just because it is not your candidate and are both mainstream does not mean they are not very different.

It's because he's Liberal, moron.

You get it, McCain?

YOU are the conservative.
Okay?

Why isn't there some rule that says if you miss more than half the votes you are kicked out office for failure to perform your duties as an elected official?

Churchill2004: Reality. Learn it. Live it. Love it.

See I doubt you understand what "liberalism" truly means.

I bet you think it means some one who believes in social programs but it actually does not mean this.

It actually means someone for personal freedoms.

But please keep repeating the talking points the right feeds you.

I know you "think" you are a libertarian but you still drink from the Republican talking point well that they feed you from.

Churchill2004: quatchi: Liberal means Progressive.
Conservative means Regressive.

Reality. Learn it. Live it. Love it.

Reality? Reality is, on many levels, a consensual event.

Wrap yer wee twisted mind around that.

Cute chart. Did yer mom help or did you cut and paste that yerself?

Aarontology: Why isn't there some rule that says if you miss more than half the votes you are kicked out office for failure to perform your duties as an elected official?

or at least they get payed an equal percentage of their salary to how much they actually voted

WTFdoesitmatter: Media Matters, such a credible and unbiased source.

/sarcasm off

Unlike conservative sources Media Matters always puts a video clip of what they are sourcing, if available.

Are you a right wing tin foil conspiracy theorist who thinks they somehow modify the video?

What do you think they are lying about? Please give me a specific example. But I know you won't. You will just make generalized attacks with nothing to back them up.

TheConvincingSavant: And this raises an interesting question, is it worse to be left-leaning or nonexistent?

And here's TheNotSoConvincingSavant with another interesting way of phrasing:

"I wonder what's worse, left-wing or really left wing?"

CHAZZZ: Is Ron Paul the douche or the turd sandwich? Or maybe a turd sandwich with douche sauce.Your lack of intelligence is plain for all to see. Maybe you just should not eat...evermore.

/And I was going to say how worthless McCain is, and someone out does him before I can.

quatchi: In McCain's defense he missed them votes cos he was going through a series of Vietnam flashbacks.

LOL let's make fun of a guy who served our country bravely and was a POW! Aren't you the type of guy who would have biatched about the GOP making similar attacks on Kerry? A bit hypocritical, don't you think?

Dumb.

Linguine: or at least they get payed an equal percentage of their salary to how much they actually voted

I've always been of the thought that politicians should get paid the minimum wage of whatever state they represent.

Corvus: See I doubt you understand what "liberalism" truly means.

Used to mean "liberty". Thus "classical liberalism" which is roughly synonymous with modern "libertarianism".

Trying to define the left/"liberals" and right/"conservatives" on a simple linear spectrum is an exercise in futility.


Corvus: I know you "think" you are a libertarian but you still drink from the Republican talking point well that they feed you from

Yeah, because the Libertarian Party is all just part of the vast right-wing conspiracy. Look how they've been right with the GOP on the Iraq War, and civil liberties, and the budget, and... oh.

When have facts ever got in the way of a politician bloviating?

Corvus: WTFdoesitmatter: Media Matters, such a credible and unbiased source.

/sarcasm off

Unlike conservative sources Media Matters always puts a video clip of what they are sourcing, if available.

Are you a right wing tin foil conspiracy theorist who thinks they somehow modify the video?

What do you think they are lying about? Please give me a specific example. But I know you won't. You will just make generalized attacks with nothing to back them up.

Yes, McCain missed the votes. I am not disputing that in the least. My beef lies with the Media Matters for America organization as a whole.

First of all, Media Matters cannot be referred to as an unbiased group.

For reference:
http://mediamatters.org/about_us/

From their page:Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.

So, they only work to correct conservative misinformation? A media personality with a liberal viewpoint could say whatever the hell they want (as long as they are not bashing other liberals) or make whatever outrageous claim they wish without repercussion or even mention from this organization. But, if you attack the Clintons, they put up a recording of you and encourage people to try and get you fired. Impartial, my ass!

Second, look at the title of the original link.

"CNN, NY Times quote McCain attacking Obama over vote ratings, but don't report that McCain missed too many votes to draw score"

This organization seems to have a fascination with attacking news personalities and organizations not just for what they say, but for what they don't say (aka, trying to put words in their mouth). Look through their archives.

In short, MMFA's blatant disregard for the First Amendment is why I do not like them and question their credibility.

KaponoFor3: quatchi: In McCain's defense he missed them votes cos he was going through a series of Vietnam flashbacks.

LOL let's make fun of a guy who served our country bravely and was a POW! Aren't you the type of guy who would have biatched about the GOP making similar attacks on Kerry? A bit hypocritical, don't you think?

Dumb.

If McCain's such a hero, then how come he got caught by the north vietnamesse? It doesn't make you a winner anymore than getting tagged in capture the flag.

WTFdoesitmatter:
In short, MMFA's blatant disregard for the First Amendment is why I do not like them and question their credibility.

Statements like this suggest you do not understand the first thing about the First Amendment.

FlashHarry: WTFdoesitmatter: Media Matters, such a credible and unbiased source.

/sarcasm off

are you saying mccain didn't miss those votes?

Yes, he is. See in the republican lexicon, (liberal) bias= not true.

Neeek: WTFdoesitmatter:
In short, MMFA's blatant disregard for the First Amendment is why I do not like them and question their credibility.

Statements like this suggest you do not understand the first thing about the First Amendment.

Trying to run people whose viewpoint they don't agree with off the air is respect for free speech and free press?

glaurunge: FlashHarry: WTFdoesitmatter: Media Matters, such a credible and unbiased source.

/sarcasm off

are you saying mccain didn't miss those votes?

Yes, he is. See in the republican lexicon, (liberal) bias= not true.

so, let's say it's raining outside. if NPR reports that it's raining, then suddenly it's not raining? i get it! it must be so comforting to be a republican, knowing we're winning the war in iraq, the economy's in great shape and that america is respected the world over as a shining beacon of justice and restraint!

glaurunge: FlashHarry: WTFdoesitmatter: Media Matters, such a credible and unbiased source.

/sarcasm off

are you saying mccain didn't miss those votes?

Yes, he is. See in the republican lexicon, (liberal) bias= not true.

Read a few posts up.

WTFdoesitmatter: Yes, McCain missed the votes. I am not disputing that in the least.

glaurunge: If McCain's such a hero, then how come he got caught by the north vietnamesse? It doesn't make you a winner anymore than getting tagged in capture the flag.

I'm no McCain fan, but that seems rather harsh.

I'm opposed to McCain because of his stand on the war and a couple of other less important things.

I respect him because he served his country, and he went through hell so that I didn't have to.

WTFdoesitmatter: Neeek: WTFdoesitmatter:
In short, MMFA's blatant disregard for the First Amendment is why I do not like them and question their credibility.

Statements like this suggest you do not understand the first thing about the First Amendment.

Trying to run people whose viewpoint they don't agree with off the air is respect for free speech and free press?

so, answer me this: do you believe that mediamatters is lying and that john mccain in fact did not miss those votes? yes or no, please.

WTFdoesitmatter: glaurunge: FlashHarry: WTFdoesitmatter: Media Matters, such a credible and unbiased source.

/sarcasm off

are you saying mccain didn't miss those votes?

Yes, he is. See in the republican lexicon, (liberal) bias= not true.

Read a few posts up.

WTFdoesitmatter: Yes, McCain missed the votes. I am not disputing that in the least.

my apologies.

however, your initial post, "Media Matters, such a credible and unbiased source," sure makes it seem like you were denying that mccain missed those votes simply because you don't like mediamatters' politics.

Churchill2004: quatchi: Liberal means Progressive.
Conservative means Regressive.



Reality. Learn it. Live it. Love it.




I would like a political test whose results looks like this.

FlashHarry: so, answer me this: do you believe that mediamatters is lying and that john mccain in fact did not miss those votes? yes or no, please.

Have you read my previous posts?

WTFdoesitmatter: Yes, McCain missed the votes. I am not disputing that in the least.

As a matter of fact, it was the first line I typed in one of my posts. It's in plain English, and there is nothing vague about the statement.

Furthermore, as stated, it is the mission and asinine actions and attacks of Media Matters I disagree with. I look at them with the same disdain as the religious nuts that pushed for more TV censorship after 2005 Super Bowl incident, and the idiots that want video games censored.