And...kosher spinach infected with E. coli is still spinach infected with E. coli. Stupid consumers.

Sure, they're "clean" but they taste kind of bland.

What's not to like?

Oh course his sales are 60% kosher. Notice the city? Boca Raton, Fl. Possibly , other than New York City, the highest population of Jewish folks in America.

The food safety issue is a conspiracy created by the joos.

Scary part is, NPR had a story yesterday about a Rabbi in China who certifies Chinese-produced Kosher foods for the US market.

Can lead and antifreeze be Kosher? Oy gevalt!

eqtworld

(maybe 20 isle feet of display in a huge store)


I'm picturing a small kosher section surrounded by water in the middle of the store.


:-)

rancidPlasma

Wrap that HN in bacon. It'll be yummy.

There's no such thing as kosher or non-kosher raw vegetables. Well..except for packaged ones I guess. But that's just weird.

Seriously, how long till Czar shows up telling us how kosher foods are a conspiracy, then Tats shows up and starts calling Czar a anti-semite.
/Working
//Wishing I had a HeBrew

Apparently, you can get a first-rate airline meal if you tell them you want kosher when you make the reservation. The food quality's supposed to be much higher than the mass-produced styro-meals normally offered.

also, if you're missing that old time coke flavor, look for the 2 liter bottles with a distinctive yellow cap (cans are marked kosher), during passover, and (i think) other jewish holidays. they use pure cane sugar, and not high fructose corn syrup. it's even fizzier according to people who have tasted it.

Englebert Slaptyback: eqtworld

(maybe 20 isle feet of display in a huge store)


I'm picturing a small kosher section surrounded by water in the middle of the store.


:-)

I've neve been to his store, but just to let you know, a lot of food items not typically located in the Kosher section are, in fact, kosher.

Kraft Foods and other large manufacturers don't mark them as such, but if you look at the back, they are.

Things like crackers and candy and anything that does not use animal products is fairly easy to certify as kosher.

You all know the "Mustard-Guy" is Jewish, right?

Kosher meat is expensive but hey at least you know the animal didn't feel any pain and that it was perfectly healthy when it was killed. That reduces the risk of getting any weird disease from it.

buckler

That is what I do when I fly and we are supposed to get a meal. You never get ham or pork, which I don't like anyway. For hot meals, you usually get pasta, which is great by me.

EsteeFlwrPot: Kosher meat is expensive but hey at least you know the animal didn't feel any pain and that it was perfectly healthy when it was killed. That reduces the risk of getting any weird disease from it.

No chemicals, steroids or animals living in huge pens either. Kosher food is basically like organic food in the way animals and crops are grown. Also, it's inspected more rigorously.

EsteeFlwrPot

No such thing as a painless death

If today's food safety issues relate to milk/meat intermingling and animals cloven-hoofedness, this is an excellent solution.

The melting pot is a much bigger threat to the Jews existence than the food they eat or the enemies they have.

boob_lady: And...kosher spinach infected with E. coli is still spinach infected with E. coli. Stupid consumers.

Any spinach is Kosher. Only meat and dairy products you have to worry about.

They sell some damn tasty chickens.

Many items in the regular section are kosher, too. Read the labels. Just about every soda and fruit juice seems to be kosher. I guess they kill the grapefuits with a clean knife or something.

It closed down a while ago, but for many years there was a very popular kosher Chinese vegetarian restaurant in Port Chester, NY. The customers were an interesting mix of old Jews and new hippies.

Ok, where is Tats. He is a great guy even if he does try a little to hard to prove his Jewishness. Czar hasn't been in to bash either.

Estee, Hope you and Tats get together.

eqtworld: EsteeFlwrPot: Kosher meat is expensive but hey at least you know the animal didn't feel any pain

Someone has never seen a video of a kosher slaughter....

/it might have been humane by 500 B.C. standards, but not today's

If it's done using Temple Grandin*'s systems, it's about as humane as a death can be--low-stress ride up to the shochet, followed by a cut that is mandated to be so clean as to be painless to a human (think of nicking yourself when shaving, it has to be like that) with loss of blood flow to the brain taking about three seconds to interrupt consciousness.

*the world's pre-eminent autistic agricultural scientist and all around animal expert, not an actual temple

/still a vegetarian, though
//bonus, it makes keeping the kitchen kosher easier

Kosher != germ/disease free.

/still prefer kosher hot dogs
//and always ask for the kosher meal on trips

Just about every soda and fruit juice seems to be kosher. I guess they kill the grapefuits with a clean knife or something.

Things like fruit and veggies are pareve. That means it's not meat or dairy and it hasn't been cooked or mixed or handled with instruments that have been used with meat or dairy.

a cut that is mandated to be so clean as to be painless to a human (think of nicking yourself when shaving, it has to be like that)

When I cut myself shaving my legs it hurts like a biatch. I thought it had to be painless like those little cuts you get but don't notice until it scabs over because it was with something really really sharp so you didn't feel it.

True story. My grandfather was a milkman in Brooklyn N.Y. before WW II. The company he worked for offered Kosher milk. How did they keep the milk separate in the milk wagon? The didn't! Grandpa had two sets of labels in his smock, Kosher and regular he put the "right" label on when he got to the apartment door. Man would he catch hell of he left the "wrong" milk in front of the wrong door!
When I asked my grandfather if it bothered him doing something so unethical he said, "Maybe a Rabbi blessed the labels."

EsteeFlwrPot: a cut that is mandated to be so clean as to be painless to a human (think of nicking yourself when shaving, it has to be like that)

When I cut myself shaving my legs it hurts like a biatch. I thought it had to be painless like those little cuts you get but don't notice until it scabs over because it was with something really really sharp so you didn't feel it.

Yes, for most people shaving nicks are that kind of cut! Do you press down too hard when you shave?

L'chaim!

When I asked my grandfather if it bothered him doing something so unethical he said, "Maybe a Rabbi blessed the labels."

Rabbi's blessings don't really have that much to do with it. It has to be kept away from meat or pork and things like that otherwise its not kosher, Rabbi's blessing or not. Why didn't they label the kosher milk differently from the regular when they put it in the bottles? That sucks.

/Maybe all the milk was kosher anyway if it was kept away from meat the whole time?
//Where's Tats? This is a good question to ask him.

Actually, the close supervision provided by Jerry Farkas is required.

I wonder what his login is.

Yes, for most people shaving nicks are that kind of cut! Do you press down too hard when you shave?

I dunno maybe I do... I just know when I do cut myself it bleeds like hell and hurts really bad. Maybe the blade isn't as sharp as it should be? I haven't cut myself in a while though so it's ok.

EsteeFlwrPot: Yes, for most people shaving nicks are that kind of cut! Do you press down too hard when you shave?

I dunno maybe I do... I just know when I do cut myself it bleeds like hell and hurts really bad. Maybe the blade isn't as sharp as it should be? I haven't cut myself in a while though so it's ok.

That would be either from a dull blade or from pressing really hard, I guess. When I shave my legs I don't notice I cut myself until it bleeds! Afterwards, it might sting a little when I put alcohol on it to stop teh MRSA, but it's basically painless.

For me, injury pain grades on a scale between "nicked hair follicle" and "parrot missed the toy and bit through my finger again."

eqtworld: Bullshiat. I shop at that store once a week. He must mean "Items in the kosher section" is where he gets a majority of kosher sales. Of all items in the store? No farking way. It is a normal grocery store except for a tiny section (maybe 20 isle feet of display in a huge store)

You'd be surprised how much of regular produces are actually kosher.

spiro: No such thing as a painless death

As painless as it can possibly, yes

eqtworld: Someone has never seen a video of a kosher slaughter....

/it might have been humane by 500 B.C. standards, but not today's

Not only have I seen videos, but I've also seen it in front of me, and will eventually do it myself

When the cut is made, it stops all the bloodflow to the brain. Yes, you see the animal moving around and looots of blood, but it's all reflexes, the animal doesn't feel anything

Look at how regular killings are made, and trust me, kosher way of slaughtering is much more human than any other procedures used today

nyil: /still a vegetarian, though
//bonus, it makes keeping the kitchen kosher easier

I'm pretty much a "six days a week" vegetarian, I eat token meat on Shabbos to sanctify it

Tatsuma, my friend, where are you? You need to singlehandedly defend the Jewish faith again!

Tats, cutting the arteries to the brain isn't exactly an "off" switch.

It takes a while for brain death to happen.

Delawheredad: True story. My grandfather was a milkman in Brooklyn N.Y. before WW II. The company he worked for offered Kosher milk. How did they keep the milk separate in the milk wagon? The didn't! Grandpa had two sets of labels in his smock, Kosher and regular he put the "right" label on when he got to the apartment door. Man would he catch hell of he left the "wrong" milk in front of the wrong door!
When I asked my grandfather if it bothered him doing something so unethical he said, "Maybe a Rabbi blessed the labels."

I'm going to be polite, but you're grandfather was a VERY bad man.

I'm quite disgusted and it is extremely unethical. I'm actually angered by this.

EsteeFlwrPot: Rabbi's blessings don't really have that much to do with it.

Nothing, in fact

It has to be kept away from meat or pork and things like that otherwise its not kosher

Yes, it has to be kept to come in contact with anything that is not kosher

/Maybe all the milk was kosher anyway if it was kept away from meat the whole time?

No, since it was mixed with non-kosher milk, it was rendered not kosher. Which means that because of his... extremely unethical grandfather, there's no telling how many Orthodox Jews out there ended up with their whole kitchen rendered unkosher.

This is appalling.

Bored Horde: Tats, cutting the arteries to the brain isn't exactly an "off" switch.

It takes a while for brain death to happen.

Once you completely cut the flow of blood to the brain (which happens within seconds), the animal doesn't feel anything anymore.

So, they are not stressed, the cut is made and within 3 seconds the animal doesn't feel anything anymore.

Think of it as the chicken without his head. The chicken might be moving, there might be blood, but the chicken can't feel anything, since he's already dead.

This is the same thing here

I admire the ideas behind Kosher and Halal, but come on. Milk is milk.

Bored Horde: I admire the ideas behind Kosher and Halal, but come on. Milk is milk.

The point is not that "Milk is milk". The point is not "Hey, dude, it's just food".

G-d told us "Do this, and don't do that". Hundreds, maybe even thousands, Jews thought that they were doing a bad thing, when in fact that man, out of laziness, greed, contempt or any other reasons that he had, completely annuled everything these people were doing.

Not only because of the milk, but everything that came in contact with the milk became unkosher. And everything that came in contact with what had been in contact with the milk became unkosher as well.

Tatsuma:
When the cut is made, it stops all the bloodflow to the brain. Yes, you see the animal moving around and looots of blood, but it's all reflexes, the animal doesn't feel anything


Evidence of this is that the animal does not attempt to lift its head onced collapsed and does not struggle pre-collapse, as it would if in pain. Grandin remarked that the cattle's head could be released entirely, and in the few seconds of consciousness before collapse the animals "just looked around, unaware that their throats had been cut."

Compared with the captive-bolt stun method used in most non-kosher slaughterhouses, properly done kosher slaughter appears to be less stressful and eliminates the danger of the meat being contaminated with potentially prion-ridden brain tissue.

Reference here (new window)

Tatsuma: Bored Horde: Tats, cutting the arteries to the brain isn't exactly an "off" switch.

It takes a while for brain death to happen.

Once you completely cut the flow of blood to the brain (which happens within seconds), the animal doesn't feel anything anymore.

So, they are not stressed, the cut is made and within 3 seconds the animal doesn't feel anything anymore.

Think of it as the chicken without his head. The chicken might be moving, there might be blood, but the chicken can't feel anything, since he's already dead.

This is the same thing here

Not quite. Brains can keep normal function up for 10-15 seconds with the oxygen supply present in its own blood vessels after the feeder arteries have been cut.

Yes, it's nicer then haphazardly gassing pigs with CO2. No, it isn't perfect.

Tatsuma: Delawheredad: True story. My grandfather was a milkman in Brooklyn N.Y. before WW II. The company he worked for offered Kosher milk. How did they keep the milk separate in the milk wagon? The didn't! Grandpa had two sets of labels in his smock, Kosher and regular he put the "right" label on when he got to the apartment door. Man would he catch hell of he left the "wrong" milk in front of the wrong door!
When I asked my grandfather if it bothered him doing something so unethical he said, "Maybe a Rabbi blessed the labels."

I'm going to be polite, but you're grandfather was a VERY bad man.

I'm quite disgusted and it is extremely unethical. I'm actually angered by this.

EsteeFlwrPot: Rabbi's blessings don't really have that much to do with it.

Nothing, in fact

It has to be kept away from meat or pork and things like that otherwise its not kosher

Yes, it has to be kept to come in contact with anything that is not kosher

/Maybe all the milk was kosher anyway if it was kept away from meat the whole time?

No, since it was mixed with non-kosher milk, it was rendered not kosher. Which means that because of his... extremely unethical grandfather, there's no telling how many Orthodox Jews out there ended up with their whole kitchen rendered unkosher.

This is appalling.

How YOU doin?

/Inappropriate at the moment, I know...

Tatsuma: Bored Horde: I admire the ideas behind Kosher and Halal, but come on. Milk is milk.

The point is not that "Milk is milk". The point is not "Hey, dude, it's just food".

G-d told us "Do this, and don't do that". Hundreds, maybe even thousands, Jews thought that they were doing a bad thing, when in fact that man, out of laziness, greed, contempt or any other reasons that he had, completely annuled everything these people were doing.

Not only because of the milk, but everything that came in contact with the milk became unkosher. And everything that came in contact with what had been in contact with the milk became unkosher as well.

What could they possibly have done to de-kosherize (??) the milk? Dipped pork in it out of spite? Are there special rules for collecting kosher milk?

buckler: Apparently, you can get a first-rate airline meal if you tell them you want kosher when you make the reservation. The food quality's supposed to be much higher than the mass-produced styro-meals normally offered.

This is true of ANY kind of non-standard diet. If you ask for the veggie meal, same thing - the trick is they're making the meal special for the minority of people that ordered it so it's less processed.

The market being what it is, though, I'm sure in settings where the default is kosher meals, someone has managed to make a mass-produced cheap styro-kosher lunch.

nyil: Evidence of this is that the animal does not attempt to lift its head onced collapsed and does not struggle pre-collapse, as it would if in pain. Grandin remarked that the cattle's head could be released entirely, and in the few seconds of consciousness before collapse the animals "just looked around, unaware that their throats had been cut."

Compared with the captive-bolt stun method used in most non-kosher slaughterhouses, properly done kosher slaughter appears to be less stressful and eliminates the danger of the meat being contaminated with potentially prion-ridden brain tissue.

Exactly!

I mean, I used to be a hardcore vegan, and the reason was because I saw the non-kosher captive-bolt of killing in front of me. I became literally sick.

Bored Horde: Not quite. Brains can keep normal function up for 10-15 seconds with the oxygen supply present in its own blood vessels after the feeder arteries have been cut.

Up to 10 seconds? Maybe. Possibly. That goes against what I read.

In any case, having seen it, I can tell you the animal wasn't in pain.

EsteeFlwrPot: How YOU doin?

Doing good, how you doin?

Bored Horde: What could they possibly have done to de-kosherize (??) the milk? Dipped pork in it out of spite? Are there special rules for collecting kosher milk?

Special rules regarding the vessels, which have to be kosher, yes.

Tatsuma

there's no telling how many Orthodox Jews out there ended up with their whole kitchen rendered unkosher.


Hi Tatsuma - a couple questions, if that's okay. Please keep in mind I don't have much of a religious background, and these are not snarky queries.

1) Are there penalties associated with a non-kosher kitchen? If so, do those penalties still apply if (as in this case) the people were deceived?

2) Kind of along that line, if a Jewish actor does (or appears to do) something that goes against his beliefs while acting, will it still be an issue? Or will he get a pass because he is acting?

TIA!