+1 that headline is awesome.

fark the headline, thats a great article.

+2!!!!!

It'd be funnier if it weren't true.

log_jammin: fark the headline, thats a great article.

+2!!!!!

That was quite a good article, agreed.

Being a Democrat in Florida America is like being the coyote in a Road Runner cartoon.

FTFY

Did he write that?



/he he, mule

For someone from Palm Beach, the author of this article is far too...

Literate? Sane? Meh, take your pick.

That was awesome ...ly...
...depressing.

"Being a Democrat in Florida is like being the coyote in a Road Runner cartoon. Things start out so promising, but in the end you just screw up everything in a comical way. Beep beep retarded.

FTFY

real shaman "Being a Democrat in Florida is like being the coyote in a Road Runner cartoon. Things start out so promising, but in the end you just screw up everything in a comical way. Beep beep retarded.

FTFY

They don't count the votes anyway.

Yep. That article sounds about right. Then again, if Clinton still would have won Florida, he may be wrong and the withheld votes might have actually given Obama a fighting chance here. Hrm....

Anyone know why Democratic candidates were verboten to campaign in florida? Or why the nationals wouldn't accept a primary vote in FL?

Do the Democrats want to lose FL?

If the Democrats are that easily misled then why should they be allowed to lead?

ReverendJasen: Anyone know why Democratic candidates were verboten to campaign in florida? Or why the nationals wouldn't accept a primary vote in FL?

Do the Democrats want to lose FL?

No, but when Florida moved up their primary despite the national committees saying no, they had to be punished somehow (same with Michigan). The difference is, the GOP took away half the delegates, the Democrats took away all of them. Now Clinton won both states, and now wants to make sure they're seated at the convention. Of course she wants this, because she's a lying two-timing conniving carpetbagger, but my own personal bias aside, she signed a contract saying the delegates don't count, and now she wants them to count. I know so many Dems who say they're voting McCain if she wins the nomination.

I often wonder if people like real shaman have real political views, or even understand political issues at all. Some enmity for the opposing side is obviously natural, but the "be offensive as possible" style seems to be reserved for the most intellectually dimwitted people.

If the author is correct, and I fear (though hope fervently) that he is not, that will certainly spell the death knell of the Democratic party.

Some explain to me how the Clinton camp actually think this won't transpire? I mean, I've seen deluded, but DAMN. Really. If she uses her political machinery and shady backroom dealing, such as having the Floridian delegates seated at the last minute, how does she NOT think that it will destroy the Democratic party? Are we all supposed to go "Golly gee whiz, oh well, let's get behind our leader blindly! Hyuck!"

Uh uh. We've already seen how effective that's been (hell, Hillary was in that camp herself, wasn't she?).

/makes my brain hurt

oh and once I saw a blimp: real shaman "Being a Democrat in Florida is like being the coyote in a Road Runner cartoon. Things start out so promising, but in the end you just screw up everything in a comical way. Beep beep retarded.

FTFY
oh and once I saw a blimp How can you not agree with real shaman? OK. retarded is a little harsh. But the Florida Dems set themselves up for this
ENORMOUS FAIL.
Wouldn't you agree?

Frank Cerabino was my favorite when I read the Palm Beach Post.

Although what he didn't say was that Floridians; Democrat, Republican and 'other' also had a Amendment to our state constitution to vote on in that election.

That's why Democrats came out in droves.

ReverendJasen: Anyone know why Democratic candidates were verboten to campaign in florida? Or why the nationals wouldn't accept a primary vote in FL?

Do the Democrats want to lose FL?

If there are clear-cut rules, the responsibility is with the breaker of the rules to abide by the punishment. The Democrats in the Florida Leg. knew the consequences.

Meep, not beep.

FTA: The Florida primary, originally scheduled for early March, would be a real prize on the political calendar. But instead, state Democrats were led off the cliff by state Republicans, who came up with the idea for a unilateral assault on the primary calendar.

I love how this guy tries to blame it on the Republicans. Waaa, waaa, they stole our election again.

hillbillypharmacist:
If there are clear-cut rules, the responsibility is with the breaker of the rules to abide by the punishment. The Democrats in the Florida Leg. knew the consequences.

The problem lies with a republican controlled Legislature in Florida that changed to date of the primary. The Democrats may have knew the consequences, but were powerless to do anything about them.

ReverendJasen: Do the Democrats want to lose FL?

Diebold and the Supreme Court have already voted Republican in Florida. They may as well campaign elsewhere.

Like the Coyote, Democrats are all self-proclaimed geniuses, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Wow, someone actually told it like it is...
The Florida tag continues to earn its keep!

ReverendJasen: Anyone know why Democratic candidates were verboten to campaign in florida? Or why the nationals wouldn't accept a primary vote in FL?

Do the Democrats want to lose FL?

..... This is all a load of bullshait.

I'm a democrat.
I'm from florida.
I don't feel disenfranchised because florida did something stupid. or the D. Party decided to respond.
it will effect my vote exactly 0%.
The Pundits are just trying to raise a scare over a real non-issue.

blindy the pirate:
The problem lies with a republican controlled Legislature in Florida that changed to date of the primary. The Democrats may have knew the consequences, but were powerless to do anything about them.

They were not powerless in the least. They were allowed to run their own dog-and-pony-show (caucuses, probably) on their own dime any day they damn well pleased on or after Super Tuesday.

...and this is surprising, why?

Democrats act this way because of something else the author said: "a state where registered Democrats outnumber Republicans". The Democrats have always taken their votes for granted in Florida. The bulk of the the majority voter block they refer to is made up of the lower class and retirees. Neither of which contribute jack to the state coffers taxwise but who draw it down pretty remarkably.

Republican voters in Florida have been pissed for years about local measures getting voted down particularly by the blue hairs because it might mean an increase in fees or taxes. Folks that worked their entire productive lives "up North" and who paid taxes and actually did want decent schools, efficient services and what not up there come to Florida and piss and moan about every measure when residents there try to acquire the same.

All this means the Democrats in Florida become complacent to the point of simple stupidity. The ballot issue in Gore v Bush back in 2000 is a classic example. County officials for each party had ample opportunity to decide on the ballot makeup long before the election. Problem was, the Democrats in the counties where the ballot issues arose didn't even know (or seem to care) that a fair number of their supporters either couldn't read English well enough, were old and perhaps easily confused or were just plain stupid. It's endemic in the party in Florida...they take their votes for granted and have for a long time.

Not a good thing for any state's delegates to not be seated but damn, the national party told them directly and even through the media (so they couldn't say they didn't get the message) that holding the primary when they did would mean their delegates get barred...and they did so anyway.

Coyote? Not likely. Acting like that, the Coyote would have been extinct long ago.

blindy the pirate
hillbillypharmacist:
If there are clear-cut rules, the responsibility is with the breaker of the rules to abide by the punishment. The Democrats in the Florida Leg. knew the consequences.

The problem lies with a republican controlled Legislature in Florida that changed to date of the primary. The Democrats may have knew the consequences, but were powerless to do anything about them.

Bullshiat. The DNC hade 100% control over Florida's punishment for the violation. If the date was pushed up by the GOP, the DNC controled the consequences of their own party. They can do whatever they want.

hillbillypharmacist: ReverendJasen: Anyone know why Democratic candidates were verboten to campaign in florida? Or why the nationals wouldn't accept a primary vote in FL?

Do the Democrats want to lose FL?

If there are clear-cut rules, the responsibility is with the breaker of the rules to abide by the punishment. The Democrats in the Florida Leg. knew the consequences.

Florida legislature is GOP-dominant. Also, the earlier primary was (reasonably) cast as a way to make a larger and more diverse state have more of a say in the nominating process.

The national arms of both parties threatened sanctions if the Florida legislature approved the earlier primary, violating Iowa's and New Hampshire's place in the caucus/primary calendar.

I forget how the Florida Dems in the legislature voted on the earlier primary, but the GOP majority is so strong that a unanimous 'no' vote wouldn't have made any difference.

That being said, the National GOP handled the delegate issue in a much smarter way than the National Democrats.

The DNC laid down Draconian Law. The RNC cut delegates by 50 percent. Compared to the actions of the DNC, it was lenient.

SeriousGeorge: Some enmity for the opposing side is obviously natural, but the "be offensive as possible" style seems to be reserved for the most intellectually dimwitted people.

you forgot to include talk radio.

I've tried to listen talk radio in the last year, and i can't survive listening to it without feeling the iq draining powers of a moron with a microphone.

Now before you assume it's just rush limbaugh, and his ilk, i include pacifica, and npr in this sweeping statement.

KPFT, if you didn't have good music, i'd never tune into you at all.

pat buchanan

MFL: Bullshiat. The DNC hade 100% control over Florida's punishment for the violation. If the date was pushed up by the GOP, the DNC controled the consequences of their own party. They can do whatever they want.

GhostWing: Florida legislature is GOP-dominant. Also, the earlier primary was (reasonably) cast as a way to make a larger and more diverse state have more of a say in the nominating process.

The national arms of both parties threatened sanctions if the Florida legislature approved the earlier primary, violating Iowa's and New Hampshire's place in the caucus/primary calendar.

I forget how the Florida Dems in the legislature voted on the earlier primary, but the GOP majority is so strong that a unanimous 'no' vote wouldn't have made any difference.

Without knowing exactly how the Democrats in Florida voted, all our speculation is useless. Maybe someone will enlighten us.

But that said... I can't imagine a scenario in which the Republicans moved the Democratic primary against the Florida Democrats' wishes, and the DNC pulled the delegates. It doesn't make sense. It would be sheer idiocy for one party to be able to fiddle with the election operations of the other party.

Open_Mouth_Inert_Foot
SeriousGeorge: Some enmity for the opposing side is obviously natural, but the "be offensive as possible" style seems to be reserved for the most intellectually dimwitted people.

you forgot to include talk radio.

I've tried to listen talk radio in the last year, and i can't survive listening to it without feeling the iq draining powers of a moron with a microphone.

Now before you assume it's just rush limbaugh, and his ilk, i include pacifica, and npr in this sweeping statement.

KPFT, if you didn't have good music, i'd never tune into you at all.

Unlearned calculous in two nights of watching the dynamic duo Keith Olderman and Chris Mathews. After a week of it those two douchebags, I forgot how to spell my own name.

GhostWing: Florida legislature is GOP-dominant. Also, the earlier primary was (reasonably) cast as a way to make a larger and more diverse state have more of a say in the nominating process.

How does having a primary earlier in the year give a state "more of a say" in the nominating process? Tell that to all those early states where Romney won. Yea, i bet they wish they were March states now!

I would say that the earlier you hold the primary, the less of a chance that the candidate that you pick will still be in the race come summer.

ragekage

Hillary cares about getting into the Oval Office. If shooting every member of the DNC and french kissing George W Bush would get her in she would be buying ammo and Binaca right now.

She probably justifies it to herself by thinking that she will be such a fabulous president that she will heal the party from the top once in office but the truth is that shes in this for herself and damn the consequences.

ReverendJasen: Anyone know why Democratic candidates were verboten to campaign in florida? Or why the nationals wouldn't accept a primary vote in FL?

(1) It upset South Carolina because they were promised the right to the only early southern vote. Politicians being politicians, they all took the pledge not to campaign there in order to pander to voters in SC, plus to let voters in NH and IW know that interfering with the right of the early states to dominate the process would not be tolerated.

(2) On a more subtle level, it was understood by everyone that Hillary was going to win it all early anyways. With her being the inevitable candidate, it didn't matter that Florida delegates weren't seated because she was going to pass a motion at the convention to allow them to be seated anyways.

(3) In the same vein as #2 above, by getting everyone to promise not to campaign in Florida at a time when Hillary had a huge lead in the polling, it froze her lead and made it so she didn't have to spend money or time there that she could use in IW and NH instead.

hillbillypharmacist Without knowing exactly how the Democrats in Florida voted, all our speculation is useless. Maybe someone will enlighten us.

But that said... I can't imagine a scenario in which the Republicans moved the Democratic primary against the Florida Democrats' wishes, and the DNC pulled the delegates. It doesn't make sense. It would be sheer idiocy for one party to be able to fiddle with the election operations of the other party.

You are right about that.

I don't know who was behind the decision not to count those delegates, but they had their head up their ass. Both of them are swing states, you do not want to disenfranchise those people. It is also retarted because during the primary you set up your grassroots bases of operation for the general election. The dems are gonna have to start from scratch in those states. That'll be even more costly the longer they don't have a nominee.

hillbillypharmacist: It would be sheer idiocy for one party to be able to fiddle with the election operations of the other party.

And the flip side is true as well: if the DNC punished Democrats in Florida if they attempted but failed to stop Republicans from moving their primary date, then that would be pretty damn poor as well. This scenario seems the least likely, though.

The penalty will not take effect for 30 days, and rules committee members urged officials from the nation's fourth-most-populous state to use the time to schedule a later statewide caucus and thus regain its delegates.

Florida had a month to move them to a later date than Jan 29th- February 5th is perfectly cromulent. So Florida could have prevented all this by scheduling a week later.

Of course, like I said before, without knowing the details of Florida's legislative process concerning this, we're in the dark.

MFL: The dems are gonna have to start from scratch in those states. That'll be even more costly the longer they don't have a nominee.

I hope it doesn't come to that. But if it does, it does. Luckily, the further away a do-over primary comes, the more likely Obama will be to get more delegates.

hillbillypharmacist: I can't imagine a scenario in which the Republicans moved the Democratic primary against the Florida Democrats' wishes, and the DNC pulled the delegates. It doesn't make sense. It would be sheer idiocy for one party to be able to fiddle with the election operations of the other party.

It was a statewide Presidential Preference Primary which was meant to move Florida's general primary election date to the last Tuesday in January.

I do not know of any state that holds a primary election first for one party, then another (though I may be mistaken). It is my understanding that the primary election date is fixed for all parties concerned, by vote of the individual state's legislature. This was the case for Florida.

Florida Dems had the 'choice' of making their side of the primary a beauty contest, then holding a later caucus ... which they would have to pay for (the DNC's idea).

The ballot also included a proposed constitutional amendment, as well as municipal issues.

Anvils are located on aisle 2, giant hammers are on back-order.

jvolkman: Meep, not beep.

It's actually "hmeep hmeep" but I wasn't going to mention it.
/oops

I don't understand how anyone would support a nominee who would win with the delegates from the Florida and and Michigan primaries. But I've been wrong about things like these before....

popinjay: I don't understand how anyone would support a nominee who would win with the delegates from the Florida and and Michigan primaries. But I've been wrong about things like these before....

In a perfect world Howard Dean would say:

"What's that Hilldog? Huh? Now you want the votes to c . .to what? . .to count? Yeah? Why, you didn't bef . . .ohhhh, because you won, I get it. Well guess what you self-serving biatch? Now, because of your games, they go to Obama! How about them apples!"
*Dean turns and high-fives Obama*

GOD DAMMIT THE farkIN ROAD RUNNER SAYS MEEP MEEP

/I'm about goddamn tired of this shiat

stiletto_the_wise: GhostWing: Florida legislature is GOP-dominant. Also, the earlier primary was (reasonably) cast as a way to make a larger and more diverse state have more of a say in the nominating process.

How does having a primary earlier in the year give a state "more of a say" in the nominating process? Tell that to all those early states where Romney won.

Ask Mayor Giuliani.

He was leading by double-digits before events in Iowa and New Hampshire. Though he virtially camped out in Florida, all of the media attention was on those states ... followed by Nevada and South Carolina.

Iowa brought John McCain's campaign back from the dead, and was the beginning of the end for Giuliani.

A state with six electoral votes, and the first caucus, may have determined the next president of the US.

Earlier primaries can make a difference.

"If the coyote had the money to buy all that stuff, why couldn't he buy a decent meal?"