But the Clinton camp fears that a failure to engineer a deal could lead to bitter battles at the Democrat convention in Denver in late August, which could even end with Al Gore, the former vice president, emerging as a compromise candidate.

What the hell are they drinking in the Telegraph offices these days? Absinthe?

Mrs Clinton is also under financial pressure.

She claimed that she received $7.5m in donations after admitting lending her campaign $5m last week.

But the source claimed that her campaign is actually in far worse financial trouble than they are letting on.

Hillary Clinton is the one who needs to stand down.

For the sake of her purse, her party and her country.

Liked Donna Brazile's quote. You go girl!

If Colin Powell takes a Veep position with McCain then wot's left of his reputation will take a freaking nose dive.

Interesting article subby +1.

"You got a problem with that?"

If she was smart she's broker a deal to be VP and throw her delegates to Obama.

If it's true, tough shi'ite. At the Washington Caucus today, my precinct gave the following results:

Obama - 13
Clinton - 6
Kucinich - 1
Undecided - 1

The Kucinich delegate was decided by - I kid you not - a coin toss. (Obama 13.64, Kucinich .64 - coin toss to determine who got the delegate. A Kucinich supporter was asked to call the toss in the air.)

Suck it, Hillary. If you need lessons, ask Monica.

She is the biggest asset the Republicans have. But she will fight tooth and nail and be handed the Supedelgates at the convention.
Get ready for president McCain.

optikeye: If she was smart she's broker a deal to be VP and throw her delegates to Obama.

Oh HELL no. Not after what happened to Al Gore. No way she wants her name tied to Obama - she won't be able to control him, and he might do something that would hurt her chances. You never know - as Gore found out.

Hillary Clinton is many things. Stupid is not one of them.

optikeye: If she was smart she's broker a deal to be VP and throw her delegates to Obama.

True enough. Then she can engineer a tragic accident for obama and step into the oval office to finish out his term.

That aside, Hillary would never accept anything less than being the President. She's just not gonna play second fiddle to Obama. This campaign has been YEARS in the making and she didn't raise all that money or make all those deals so that she could play second fiddle to some black guy from chicago.

Hillary is in this fight for the long haul, and I have no doubt she's using every last iota of her and her husband's influence to try and get Obama out of the picture. If she can find a way to buy him off, she'll take the deal. If she can manipulate party insiders to cut Obama out of the picture entirely - that would be better. But make no mistake....hillary isn't going to settle for second place.

If only She'd Stop SCREAMING AT THE END OF EVERY SENTENCE!

She put up with Bill's shenanigans for all these years to be president, not VP. And she's getting desperate, seeing those 35 years, NOT of "experience," but of sacrifice of dignity, pay off into nothingness. Well, fark that. Obama's not going to stand down, it's YOU who's gonna stand down, Hillary. We've got these primaries coming up the rest of February, and then there's March. And March will be tough. Hopefully with the momentum, with the votes, with the delegates, we will have enough to finally say - no more.

DarthBrooks: If only She'd Stop SCREAMING AT THE END OF EVERY SENTENCE!

And if I hear "35 years of experience" one more time, I'm going to kill someone by stabbing them exactly 35 times.

35 years of experience

/trolling etchy333
/anticipating multiple stab wounds

Weaver95: True enough. Then she can engineer a tragic accident for obama and step into the oval office to finish out his term.

Well, tin hat aside. It would be good tactical move for her. VP for 4 (8?) years. Then run for president. Heck, she'd probably do better making a deal with McCain as a VP. Because no way he's going to be two term at his age.

She's not stupid..in fact Goldwater said that she was much sharper than Bill. Given History..he was right.

"Get your hands off me, You damned dirty Ape!"

Hillary is going nowhere, her nomination is inevidable. Obama needs to know when to bow out to the master!

Obama: yez Mayem!

Bill_Wick's_Friend: 35 years of experience

That tears it! I'm getting you AND Bill Wick!

Seriously, it's like her version of Giuliani's 9/11 Tourette's.

Is "stand down" Hillary's cute code phrase for asking him to go to the back of the bus?

Because if it is that would be really wrong of her.

FTA: Mr Obama has begun calling those "super delegates" ... He's saying: 'Hey, I won your state and I won your congressional district, why are you supporting her?'

That is a very good question.

fezziwig: Is "stand down" Hillary's cute code phrase for asking him to go to the back of the bus?

Because if it is that would be really wrong of her.

I think it is, She believes Bill was the first Black President and She intends to be the First Female black president... Obama is getting in the way, therfor he needs to stand down. The super deligates are in the Clinton pockets...

optikeye: Well, tin hat aside. It would be good tactical move for her. VP for 4 (8?) years. Then run for president.

Can you imagine how sad and wrinkly she'll look in eight years? She'll be almost 70 by then.

she's getting almost as bad as Bush now, hwo bad is she going to be as President?

For the good of the nation and of the Democratic party, she needs to Step. Down. Now.

Wow. Hillary Clinton is starting to go beyond stupid into absolutely-farking-ridiculous mode.

nobozo: ...ask Dem leaders to make Obama campaign 'stand down brown'

Funny that...the Republican Party, which staunchly backed Apartheid, accusing the Dems of racism.

this article is complete drivel, it's not even worth reading. Journalism in the UK has been on a steady decline for many years, and articles like this are proof.

-family has personal experience with bad journalism in the UK. Silly story.

joeycolby: FTA: Mr Obama has begun calling those "super delegates" ... He's saying: 'Hey, I won your state and I won your congressional district, why are you supporting her?'

That is a very good question.

I thought that was the most compelling argument ever.

I'd be interested to find out just exactly WHY Mrs. Clinton seems to have the super-delegates in her pocket in the first place? They just like her better?

I'm just hoping the reporter is wrong. Obama has been kicking her ass up and down the primary season. If anyone should stand down it's her.

My God, she's just flailing in circles now.

It's like watching some sort of clockwork tentacle rape demon slowly and painfully grind to a halt. She and her ilk honestly have no bloody clue how to deal with the one thing no one expects in politics: an honest opponent who won't pander to the lowest common denominator. She's a seasoned street fighter who is trying to fight a black belt and can't understand why she's getting pounded so horribly.

I don't know whether to laugh at her or pity her. I guess for now I should just stick to praying that the Democratic party faithful don't manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Again.

Neeek: I'm just hoping the reporter is wron

I'd bet money on it. Like I said, the UK is notorious for bad journalism.

Sister was in Rose of Tralee pageant in Ireland this year, and got interviewed by several papers. When the articles came out, they had flat out made up quotes. She was surprised to read things she never said that made her sound like a complete idiot.

Serious question, because quite frankly, I have a life to live, so I trust the good people of Fark to help me on issues that I haven't had time to properly follow, because I know there's a lot of people out here who do spend the time to properly follow them.

It seemed like for the most part, the country was doing alright during the Clinton admin. People had some complaints, but the economy was booming, the federal government wasn't broke as a joke, we weren't involved in any major wars, so on, so forth.

My question here is primarily.. why is it assumed that things would not go back that way, if Hilary were elected President? Or is it just that everyone wants things to be MUCH different, instead of just revolving back around?

//I need to listen to Obama's speeches and stuff I guess

Occam's Chainsaw: clockwork tentacle rape demon

GIS:



heh....

ah yes the clintons.

mrs. i don't recall

and

mr. that depends on your definition of the word is

I like how the article said that Obama's campaign is "starting to gain momentum".

ekdikeo4: It seemed like for the most part, the country was doing alright during the Clinton admin. People had some complaints, but the economy was booming, the federal government wasn't broke as a joke, we weren't involved in any major wars, so on, so forth.

My question here is primarily.. why is it assumed that things would not go back that way, if Hilary were elected President? Or is it just that everyone wants things to be MUCH different, instead of just revolving back around?

Bill Clinton was a good president by most measures. However, the economy is cyclical and a good portion of the success cannot be attributed to him. The dotcom boom was certainly not a product of the Clinton administration.

Second of all, it's incorrect to assume that Hillary would be able to accomplish the same thing as her husband. Go on her merits, not on Bill's.

ekdikeo4: why is it assumed that things would not go back that way, if Hilary were elected President?

The answer cannot be completely provided in this forum imho, for a start this is not 1992, the entire political structure of this nation has changed in the past 8 years. Besides you are making a *major* assumptions that she will follow Bill's policies.

ekdikeo4: My question here is primarily.. why is it assumed that things would not go back that way, if Hilary were elected President?

why would it? There is more to the state of the country than the last name of the president.

Do you think we would regress back to 1962 if a kennedy was president?

Echoic: Bill Clinton was a good president by most measures. However, the economy is cyclical and a good portion of the success cannot be attributed to him. The dotcom boom was certainly not a product of the Clinton administration.

I thought Al Gore was Clinton's Vice President.

ekdikeo4: Serious question, because quite frankly, I have a life to live, so I trust the good people of Fark to help me on issues that I haven't had time to properly follow, because I know there's a lot of people out here who do spend the time to properly follow them.

It seemed like for the most part, the country was doing alright during the Clinton admin. People had some complaints, but the economy was booming, the federal government wasn't broke as a joke, we weren't involved in any major wars, so on, so forth.

My question here is primarily.. why is it assumed that things would not go back that way, if Hilary were elected President? Or is it just that everyone wants things to be MUCH different, instead of just revolving back around?

//I need to listen to Obama's speeches and stuff I guess

I personally liked Bill a lot.. but the fact remains, do we really 20+ years of two-family rule in this country? Plus.... Bill seemed fun, and at his worst, ineffectual and philandering. Kind of like a cool Uncle that bought you illegal fireworks and guns.

Hilary scares the bejesus out of me. No one has wanted the job this bad since Nixon or Bryan. I don't think she wants the job to help people- I think she wants it to stick it to people. I think she wants it because she wants to go down in the history books as more than a footnote to Bill's presidency.

As such, to me, it seems like she will do or say anything to get the job. And after eight years of Bush, well, I could do without that.

The thing I like about Obama is that I believe in the mothafarkah. I've never actually uttered the b-word in conjunction with a politician. I spent a few months trying to figure out what the fark is wrong with me, and I still feel kind of dumb for believing in him. That part of me so indoctrinated into American politics can't do anything but make me not want to believe that a person in that realm is actually saying what they mean, and that they want the job to help people, not help their resume, or their legacy, or their friends.

I don't get that with Hilary.

Recall all Repuglikkkans: I'm gonna give that a 4/10, if only because it's too reasonably worded to incite any real chaos. Snag 5+ serious angry replies and I'll reclassify as 6/10.

ekdikeo4: Serious question, because quite frankly, I have a life to live, so I trust the good people of Fark to help me on issues that I haven't had time to properly follow, because I know there's a lot of people out here who do spend the time to properly follow them.

It seemed like for the most part, the country was doing alright during the Clinton admin. People had some complaints, but the economy was booming, the federal government wasn't broke as a joke, we weren't involved in any major wars, so on, so forth.

My question here is primarily.. why is it assumed that things would not go back that way, if Hilary were elected President? Or is it just that everyone wants things to be MUCH different, instead of just revolving back around?

//I need to listen to Obama's speeches and stuff I guess

Theres multiple answers to your question. For instance, it could be debated that the reason for the prosperity of the 90s was due to the Republicans controlling the senate.

Also, many people are now seeing how the Clinton political machine works, and they quite frankly do not like what they see. Early on in the primaries, we saw underhanded tactics, slash and burn politics, and a win at all costs mentality from the Clintons.

She also really doesn't stand for anything. Her vote for the Iraq war, and later shunning of it, shows that she is nothing more than a group-think, go wherever the political winds blow, type person. She also is in favor of warrantless wiretapping.

Plus, some of her policies are not very well thought out. Her health care plan is one of them. I don't know how on earth she plans on enforcing the mandate that everyone must have heath insurance.

starsrift: I thought Al Gore was Clinton's Vice President.

I had to read that 3 times before I finally caught on

ilambiquated: nobozo: ...ask Dem leaders to make Obama campaign 'stand down brown'

Funny that...the Republican Party, which staunchly backed Apartheid, accusing the Dems of racism.

I find your suggestion that we at some point controlled south african politics intriguing, and would like to subscribe to your thaumaturgical history-alteration device.

//If you're talking about Jim Crow laws, that was the Democrats.

Occam's Chainsaw: I guess for now I should just stick to praying that the Democratic party faithful don't manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Again.

It looks like that ship has already sailed.

phlegmmo: It looks like that ship has already sailed.

it does? how so?

Recall all Repuglikkkans: People don't want to act like the wife had anything to do with it. They say it's all Bill and justify their hatred of Hillary that way. Bill and Hillary ran on a co-presidency, she got more crap for being more involved than any first lady in a long time, and people act like it means nothing. Hell, having Bill involved in all the discussions (his comments notwithstanding, he will be involved) tells me the world would be a great place again with her in charge.

Why do you have to refer to Hillary as "the wife"? Are you assuming that people don't like her because of her gender? Why that may be true in some cases, that is by far the minority of reasons why people dislike her.

And how exactly did Bill and Hill run as a co-presidency? The only thing that I can think of is her proposed healthcare plan, which got shot down and torn apart.

And finally, I believe it was Bill Clinton who got elected to the Presidency of the United States. Hillary was never elected to that office, and thus shouldn't have been heavily involved in policy making. You wouldn't want some surgeon's wife, who doesn't have the qualifications, operating on you

Jim_Callahan: ilambiquated: nobozo: ...ask Dem leaders to make Obama campaign 'stand down brown'

Funny that...the Republican Party, which staunchly backed Apartheid, accusing the Dems of racism.

I find your suggestion that we at some point controlled south african politics intriguing, and would like to subscribe to your thaumaturgical history-alteration device.

//If you're talking about Jim Crow laws, that was the Democrats.

Actually, Jimmy, he's referring to Reagan's support of Aparthied south Africa and attempted designation of the AFC as a terrorist organization.

Of course, you knew that, just like we all know you would have been a fine, fine democrat if you were transported to any year 1900-1960.

Sod off.

Huh, she lost all the primaries today and she wants Obama to bow out? What is going to happen when she loses the nomination? I think they might be carting her off to a padded room to chill out for awhile.

log_jammin: it does? how so?

That is merely my opinion. And that depends on what my definition of is is.