Because everyone know the math - the primaries will not determine the Democratic candidate.

There aren't any results yet, and won't be for a few hours. What are they supposed to cover? And it'll still be a near-tie at the end of the day.

radioman_: Because everyone know the math - the primaries will not determine the Democratic candidate.

Not to worry. SUPERDELEGATES TO THE RESCUE!

Oh, headlines of "Obama sweeps all 3 Saturday states and U.S. Virgin Islands" will still be nice, give a quick boost of momentum to the campaign.

robsul82: Oh, headlines of "Obama sweeps all 3 Saturday states and U.S. Virgin Islands" will still be nice, give a quick boost of momentum to the campaign.

I'm more concerned about who's going to get the critical "U.S. Whore Island" votes... so go the hos, so go the johns

MSNBC was demoted from "major media" status?

nekom: radioman_: Because everyone know the math - the primaries will not determine the Democratic candidate.

Not to worry. SUPERDELEGATES TO THE RESCUE!

I'm not so sure about that. At this point in the game, Hillary was supposed to have crushed all remaining opposition. She planned on doing some light fund raising, taking applications for her running mate and putting on a good show at the convention while kicking off her run in the general election campaign. She did NOT plan on being locked in a 'to the death' fight for delegates with the likes of Obama.

And since this fight is so popular, it's drawn a lot of attention. so everyone has to be on their best behavior and play by the rules. In theory, hillary could 'buy' (or at least rent) enough superdelegates to secure herself a win over Obama. Favor trading and the like certainly isn't illegal, even if it IS unethical.

However, if she does buy herself a win then she has to deal with allegations that she's trying to buy her way into the white house. Which could sink her in the general election. So she has to win this one and (mostly) play by the rules. I'll bet it's killing her to behave herself too.

Unright: MSNBC was demoted from "major media" status?

They were sent back to the minors.

Weaver95: And since this fight is so popular, it's drawn a lot of attention. so everyone has to be on their best behavior and play by the rules. In theory, hillary could 'buy' (or at least rent) enough superdelegates to secure herself a win over Obama. Favor trading and the like certainly isn't illegal, even if it IS unethical.

The fact is that the Clintons have more political clout than Obama, or in fact ANYONE else in the Democratic party. Although if she somehow doesn't get the nomination, they'll certainly lose a lot of it.

MSNBC has a show about chicks with dicks on right now. I was slightly confused, yet strangely aroused.

Anecdotal evidence ahoy, but Nebraska seems to be going hard for Obama (should pop).

Quote from another forum I go to:

Obama takes all delegates from my district, 1367 vs 27 Clinton

Clinton deemed unviable for my caucus. My caucus location (a high school) was severely unprepared for the amount of voters who turned out (~1400) to caucus. We had an auditorium, balcony, and cafeteria in the next room packed with people to caucus. It was a clusterfark. Our precint leader said that even though checkin wasn't until 9:15am, he called the county Democratic office to declare a state of emergency for our caucus location due to lack of preparedness.

CNN said they will cover the results starting at 8PM Eastern. I assume most other news stations will also at that time. Right now there just isn't many results to be had.

Jragghen: Anecdotal evidence ahoy, but Nebraska seems to be going hard for Obama (should pop).

Quote from another forum I go to:

Obama takes all delegates from my district, 1367 vs 27 Clinton

Clinton deemed unviable for my caucus. My caucus location (a high school) was severely unprepared for the amount of voters who turned out (~1400) to caucus. We had an auditorium, balcony, and cafeteria in the next room packed with people to caucus. It was a clusterfark. Our precint leader said that even though checkin wasn't until 9:15am, he called the county Democratic office to declare a state of emergency for our caucus location due to lack of preparedness.

Everyone, prepare your fingers to be steepled.

"Exxxxxcellent..."

nekom: The fact is that the Clintons have more political clout than Obama, or in fact ANYONE else in the Democratic party. Although if she somehow doesn't get the nomination, they'll certainly lose a lot of it.

Oh, I think Hillary could pull off a TKO and get Obama out of the race. But like I said, it won't play well in the press. Obama has a LOT of popular support. Hillary has the lock on the party insiders and controls a good part of the machinery. If Hillary wins this fight based on her insider contacts, I don't know how that will play out among the rank and file democrats.

/gOBAMA

Weaver95: Oh, I think Hillary could pull off a TKO and get Obama out of the race.

*spit take*

We are in the same universe right?

Jragghen:
Clinton deemed unviable for my caucus.

I *love* it. My Kansas caucus was roughly 1750 to 350 Obama, so she was within 30 of "unviable" on the first run. Great term for her.

/Hey Nebraska, wanna join up on kicking Oklahoma's ass for voting for the her?

Jragghen: Anecdotal evidence ahoy, but Nebraska seems to be going hard for Obama (should pop).

Quote from another forum I go to:

Obama takes all delegates from my district, 1367 vs 27 Clinton

Clinton deemed unviable for my caucus. My caucus location (a high school) was severely unprepared for the amount of voters who turned out (~1400) to caucus. We had an auditorium, balcony, and cafeteria in the next room packed with people to caucus. It was a clusterfark. Our precint leader said that even though checkin wasn't until 9:15am, he called the county Democratic office to declare a state of emergency for our caucus location due to lack of preparedness.

My brother was texting me from his caucus site in Elkhorn. He told me that it looked like every democrat in the state showed up, and I replied, "What, you, mom, and Grandma?" He said that thousands of people had shown up hours before the caucus even started. Apparently it was pretty amazing to witness, if a bit annoying because of the delays.

cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: Oh, I think Hillary could pull off a TKO and get Obama out of the race.

*spit take*

We are in the same universe right?

You underestimate the Democratic party's ability to lose a sure thing.

Jragghen: Anecdotal evidence ahoy, but Nebraska seems to be going hard for Obama (should pop).

Quote from another forum I go to:

Obama takes all delegates from my district, 1367 vs 27 Clinton

Clinton deemed unviable for my caucus. My caucus location (a high school) was severely unprepared for the amount of voters who turned out (~1400) to caucus. We had an auditorium, balcony, and cafeteria in the next room packed with people to caucus. It was a clusterfark. Our precint leader said that even though checkin wasn't until 9:15am, he called the county Democratic office to declare a state of emergency for our caucus location due to lack of preparedness.

Just read a little bit of that blog. Don't know anything about Monroe Middle School but sounds like they're farking packed with Obama supporters.

Lawnchair: Jragghen:
Clinton deemed unviable for my caucus.

I *love* it. My Kansas caucus was roughly 1750 to 350 Obama, so she was within 30 of "unviable" on the first run. Great term for her.

/Hey Nebraska, wanna join up on kicking Oklahoma's ass for voting for the her?

Hell, I'll speak for almost 700,000 New Yorkers who're willing to join in that ass kicking.

Recall all Repuglikkkans: They didn't cry and complain when Kerry was chosen by the party.

Yeah, and look how that turned out.

Recall all Repuglikkkans: They'll accept it and go on. They didn't cry and complain when Kerry was chosen by the party. Some will vote for him no matter what, others may stay home.

I'm a Democrat who voted for Clinton in 2006. If she wins the nom because of superdelegates, while losing the pledged delegate vote, you bet your ass I'm voting McCain.

I'm part of the Democratic Party, not the "We know what's best for you, even if you disagree" Party.

Recall all Repuglikkkans: I swear, it looks like 2004 in reverse, one party running with a candidate that there is excitement over (somewhat apprehensively) and the other running with someone they settled with, don't really care for, but think "we'll win because everyone is voting for 'not them'."

So the Republican Party is a 35 year old single mother who has given up on Mr. Right and is willing to settle for a bald guy with ear hair who regularly takes the garbage out?

/I read way too many Fark threads for my own good.

Monroe Middle is in North Omaha, the black part of town.

But I hear that the situation was about the same in even the whitest districts. If they changed the name of Lancaster to Lincoln to honor a progressive president who made his fame in Illinois, then surely Omaha can become Obama.

Lawnchair: Jragghen:
Clinton deemed unviable for my caucus.

I *love* it. My Kansas caucus was roughly 1750 to 350 Obama, so she was within 30 of "unviable" on the first run. Great term for her.

/Hey Nebraska, wanna join up on kicking Oklahoma's ass for voting for the her?

I can provide some support from Missouri. Especially if we're teaming up against Oklahoma.

/bitter Mizzou fan

Recall all Repuglikkkans Quote 2008-02-09 03:45:00 PM
Weaver95: If Hillary wins this fight based on her insider contacts, I don't know how that will play out among the rank and file democrats.

They'll accept it and go on. They didn't cry and complain when Kerry was chosen by the party. Some will vote for him no matter what, others may stay home.


YOu are farking nuts. Democrats would FLIP OUT if that scenario happened. I promise you.

It isn't comparable at all to Kerry in 04. Kerry in 04 WON the popular vote. He won the states and the delegates and the votes. He didn't win because of backroom deals to secure super delegates.

If Obama wins most of hte states and most of the real delegates, but loses at the last minute to back room deals over super delegates the Democratic party would have a riot on their hands.

Luckily, I don't think that will happen. Dems are smart enough not to let that happen.

Bill Frist: Luckily, I don't think that will happen. Dems are smart enough not to let that happen.

no, they're not. sadly enough.

stinieroo: I can provide some support from Missouri. Especially if we're teaming up against Oklahoma.

Oklahoma is a closed primary, so he wasn't able to get the independent vote. There were lots of Obama signs around town though, for what it was worth.

I tell you what, we're probably going to have at least a couple new applicants for early-state status after this, if the system isn't heavily retooled. Give some states a reason to come out, they will come out. It's not just Iowa and New Hampshire.

Flying Lasagna Monster Quote 2008-02-09 04:06:35 PM
Bill Frist: Luckily, I don't think that will happen. Dems are smart enough not to let that happen.

no, they're not. sadly enough.


They are. The DNC lead by Dean is at least.

Bill Frist: They are. The DNC lead by Dean is at least.

I agree. The question is, will Dean be able to control the situation? I saw a comment from him the other day where he was talking about "pushing for a deal" if the race isn't resolved by April or so...

Shaggy_C: MSNBC has a show about chicks with dicks on right now. I was slightly confused, yet strangely aroused.

Oh I see. subby is referring to the obsolete medium called television.

What are the odds of a Obama/Clinton ticket?

The GOP have a day of reckoning coming and they know it.
The turnout against them will be so huge in November it will be historic.
I believe the Dems will have a super-majority in congress and everything they want they will get and the Republicans will be banished to the basement like the Dems were for almost 8 yrs.

Queque: What are the odds of a Obama/Clinton ticket?

My guess is "not likely".

If Hillarity does sign a deal with the debil and buys enuff superdelegates to win the nom over Obama there will be a backlash of ginormous proportions over the fact. Anyone who thinks otherwise aint really thinking at all.

Luffing all this talk about Hillary the Unviable.

Simply put, she is the most divisive politician in the race and has been since the very beginning. Anyone who can't see this fact must have a serious case of vaginavision (Kinda like tunnelvision but with a touch of pink-eye).

Obama = Uniter + Real Change.
Hillary = Divider + Status Quo

/Done the math.

Recall all Repuglikkkans: Oh, how the right-wingers could find the irony in that statement.

Oh, how I don't give a crap.

Oh and in case no one has reported it already CNN called Kansas for Huckabee. He had like 62%

Hobodeluxe: Oh and in case no one has reported it already CNN called Kansas for Huckabee. He had like 62%

HUCKABOOM!

they are going to be forced to make him VP...

i actually kind of like him. i just wouldn't want him teaching a science class.

Wombatzu: i actually kind of like him. i just wouldn't want him teaching a science class.

Why do you like him? I feel there are more issues with him beyond just his batshiat crazy religious beliefs?

Queque
What are the odds of a Obama/Clinton ticket?

Why would you want that? Clinton is corrupt, sat on the board of Wal-Mart, and has taken more lobbyist money than any other candidate from either party. Running with her would undermine everything that makes Obama appealing.

Queque: What are the odds of a Obama/Clinton ticket?

Next to none. Think about it this way:

1.) The Clintons will not be able to swallow their pride and take second rung on a ticket.

2.) Keeping a Clinton on the ticket kind of works against why so many Dems are voting against Hillary right now. They want change, something other than a Bush or a Clinton.

3.) Clinton as a Veep is just as divisive if she was on the top of the ticket.

From the other point of view:

1.) Obama would have to compete with Bill for headlines, if he was the Veep. His own political career would be stymied by co-president Bill. Obama will be a super-hero in the senate if he stays there, and could probably replace Reid as the majority leader there.

2.) The Clintons would not like having a Veep drawing more media then them at times.

3.) There is bad blood, and after being likened to Jesse Jackson by the husband of the person on the top of your ticket, would you really want to be the veep to that?

4.) Biden (Or Dodd, I think it was Biden) even said he wouldn't take up the veep spot on a Clinton led ticket.

Mnemia Quote 2008-02-09 04:22:02 PM
Wombatzu: i actually kind of like him. i just wouldn't want him teaching a science class.

Why do you like him? I feel there are more issues with him beyond just his batshiat crazy religious beliefs?

Dude is genuinely funny and likeable.

But as a politician he is a nutjob.

Any word on Washington or Louisiana?

Bill Frist


They are. The DNC lead by Dean is at least.


I don't think Dean can tell the super delegates how to vote. The Clintons have a whole lot more pull with the Democratic party elite than Obama does, and Dean can't do much about it.

QuequeWhat are the odds of a Obama/Clinton ticket?

None whatsoever. I'd bet the Clintons go with either Edwards or Biden, Obama goes with Governer Selebius of Kansas.


EDIT: While I was writing this post, my sister called me from the Washington Caucus. Apparently Obama is leading BIGtime at her caucus site in Botell. The female governer came out 2 days ago in support of Obama. In other news, I'm very happy today.

'08AMA!

Bill Frist: Dude is genuinely funny and likeable.

But as a politician he is a nutjob.

Oh, I agree. Being a likable guy is a way different thing from being someone I want to be president. I was referring to his ethical/judgment issues.

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El_Dan: I don't think Dean can tell the super delegates how to vote. The Clintons have a whole lot more pull with the Democratic party elite than Obama does, and Dean can't do much about it.

The convention makes their own rules. They can meet up at the time of convention and decide not to count super delegates if they feel it will discount the actual populous vote.

However, what I find more interesting, is the fact that going into the convention there is a chance that Obama will go in with more states won, and more delegates, by a small amount. But, Clinton will have more votes over all, since she should win the bigger states. In that case who do you say is "winning?" (Say hellooooooo 2000.)

El_Dan Quote 2008-02-09 04:26:56 PM
Bill Frist


They are. The DNC lead by Dean is at least.


I don't think Dean can tell the super delegates how to vote. The Clintons have a whole lot more pull with the Democratic party elite than Obama does, and Dean can't do much about it.


The Clintons have mroe pull than Obama... but obama has some heavyweights with a lot of pull in his corner (Kennedy, Kerry, Daschle, etc.) too