Colin Powell will be given a chance to salvage is legacy. I know everyone is still pissed at him for his UN speech, but barring that, he was the only one in the cabinet warning against war.

He deserves another chance. Colin Powell for Sec. of Def. to oversee the rebuilding of our armed forces after they have been decimated by over-use.

Sorry, General. You blew your trustworthy-wad a few years ago.

That'd be nice...but is he a superdelegate?

Ok. Doesn't matter then.

/gonna be a long summer

Don't be f*cking with my Colon Pal!

I respected him. He was part of the lie that caused America to be where it is right now. Trillions of dollars waisted, thousands of American lives erased and cashing in America's prestige around the world at the U.N. He does not get a do over in my book. That chapter is closed. I looked up to him, now I just look away...

For those who don't see why this is significant, it is for several reasons. First, while he didn't come out and endorse Obama, it's clear that's what he'd like to see happen, and for a former Secretary of State to imply that he'd like to see someone from the other party be President, that's a big deal. More importantly, by telegraphing his intentions, he's signaling to Democrats that Obama actually can get the cross-party support--proof that he really is the more electable candidate.

And yeah, it's also throwing the administration that he was once a part of under the bus.

/Subby

What was in the farking Kool-Aid that Bush gave to both Powell and McCain to make them fall in line? I respected both of these men and they sold their souls to a farking frat boy who never earned a damn thing in his entire life. Did Cheney promise to have their families killed?

"I will ultimately vote for the person I believe brings to the American people the kind of vision the American people want to see for the next four years," he said. "A vision that reaches out to the rest of the world, that starts to restore confidence in America, that starts to restore favorable ratings to America. Frankly, we've lost a lot in recent years."

so.....Obama?

rynthetyn: And yeah, it's also throwing the administration that he was once a part of under the bus.

AKA returning the favor. W sold him up the river with his yellowcake fairy tale, and Powell, a good soldier, did as ordered and regurgitated said tripe to the UN. He squandered his trustworthiness. To someone like W, who never had any to begin with, this was no loss. To a career military man, his word is more important than his life.

I think the only reason he's not already publicly lambasted this administration is because he's such a classy guy.

What a farking shame his involvement with the Bush Administration was.

I think they Powell was a true-believer in keeping America secure. He might not have completely believed the evidence he was presenting was completely accurate, but he thought it was for the good of the nation. The rest of the administration, on the other hand, just wanted their money shot in Baghdad.

In any case, Powell's reputation is at least besmirched, and at mostly nuked.

Occam's Chainsaw: rynthetyn: And yeah, it's also throwing the administration that he was once a part of under the bus.

AKA returning the favor. W sold him up the river with his yellowcake fairy tale, and Powell, a good soldier, did as ordered and regurgitated said tripe to the UN. He squandered his trustworthiness. To someone like W, who never had any to begin with, this was no loss. To a career military man, his word is more important than his life.

I think the only reason he's not already publicly lambasted this administration is because he's such a classy guy.

If I had been in his position, I would have resigned in protest rather than go before the UN to argue for a war that I didn't believe in, but then, I've never been in his position and had to make that decision. My guess is that it probably wasn't that simple.

/Thankful I'm not in a position to have to make that choice

Doesn't sound like he's gonna be on McCain's short list.

/might be on the list of people who called McCain short.

I_Hate_Iowa: I think they Powell was a true-believer in keeping America secure. He might not have completely believed the evidence he was presenting was completely accurate[...]

He may well have believed in the evidence, or at least in the premise he was using the evidence to sell.

There really was an urge to DO something, something decisive to change how we related to that corner of the world which was dropping our skyscrapers. It's easy to forget that, now that the action we chose has turned out to be so poorly executed.

Hell, Powell's part of the whole caper could be viewed as the only part that went according to plan. (I think if Powell and Rumsfeld had been working each others' jobs in 2001, we'd be in a much better position today.)

He may be "throwing the Bush administration under the bus" more for execution than for concept.

/except this is people
//not pastries

Hector Remarkable: Doesn't sound like he's gonna be on McCain's short list.

/might be on the list of people who called McCain short.

McCain Powell would destroy a Clinton ticket. Hillary would be lucky to get three states...

Obama/Powell would keep it real.

iron_city_ap: Obama/Powell would keep it real.

That would kick ass, but Powell has made it fairly clear that he's not interested in running for anything.

Sad, especially considering the amount of bending over he's forced himself into over the past 8 years. He's way too smart to end his political career like that.

log_jammin: "I will ultimately vote for the person I believe brings to the American people the kind of vision the American people want to see for the next four years," he said. "A vision that reaches out to the rest of the world, that starts to restore confidence in America, that starts to restore favorable ratings to America. Frankly, we've lost a lot in recent years."

so.....Obama?

He sure as shiat ain't talking about Hillary, and if he was talking about McCain he would have said "McCain" instead of "whomever can bring these things to the table."

Come on aboard, Powell. We'll give you a window seat.

iron_city_ap: Obama/Powell would keep it real.

The "Assassinate me, and get that scowling James Earl Jones-looking mothefarker with the chest full of medals over there" ticket?

Me likey.

The sheeple like to be herded, it's in their nature.

NewportBarGuy: Colin Powell will be given a chance to salvage is legacy. I know everyone is still pissed at him for his UN speech, but barring that, he was the only one in the cabinet warning against war.

He deserves another chance. Colin Powell for Sec. of Def. to oversee the rebuilding of our armed forces after they have been decimated by over-use.

Knee jerk there much? Colin doesn't need to salvage anything.
And look up the word decimated because you don't understand it.

USP .45: sheeple

Anyone who uses this term needs to have a watermelon dropped on their head.

TheConvincingSavant: Colin doesn't need to salvage anything.



You're right.... nothing at all.

Echoic: Intrade puts odds of Obama nominee up 58-42

If I'm reading the polls on that page right, Obama is leading with registered voters (RV) and Clinton with likely voters (LV). Am I getting that right?

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Echoic: USP .45: sheeple

Anyone who uses this term needs to have a watermelon dropped on their head.

I concur

Arthur Jumbles: TheConvincingSavant: Colin doesn't need to salvage anything.

You're right.... nothing at all.

How does you pic help you? Colin wasn't lying when he gave that speech. The intelligence was bad. The intelligence community is what needs salvaging.

The "Assassinate me, and get that scowling James Earl Jones-looking mothefarker with the chest full of medals over there" ticket?

I actually think it would do the opposite. If there is a cracka in the VP slot, Obama would be in trouble 24/7. If Powell was #2, no need to wax the POTUS. Way too much effert. Plus, the crossover effect. Holy hell, a politician admitting they were wrong in thier party alignment !? I might actually vote Dems. if they ran together. Then again, I'm no Repub. fan either as it stands right now. Regardless of party, they all suck. I just think Obama/Powell > Dre/Snoop

Louder And More Dissonant: If I'm reading the polls on that page right, Obama is leading with registered voters (RV) and Clinton with likely voters (LV). Am I getting that right?

I believe you are. I wonder what the reason for that is.

As a former army grunt, all respect to Powell.
I just don't see why anyone would vote for Hillary.
It's like asking this country to become an oligarchy.
/Obamaphile

Lied and knew it.
3955 Dead US soldiers.
4 million displaced Iraqis
10's of thousands of Iraqi civilian dead.
Go write a book Colin, maybe you can give-up some juicy secrets, like why you sold your soul to the dark side.

Satyagraha: Lied and knew it.
3955 Dead US soldiers.
4 million displaced Iraqis
10's of thousands of Iraqi civilian dead.
Go write a book Colin, maybe you can give-up some juicy secrets, like why you sold your soul to the dark side.

Got proof?

Maybe lied and knew it is prefacing your post?

Echoic: I believe you are. I wonder what the reason for that is.

I wonder if "likely voter" is being interpreted as "cranky retiree".

I could certainly see Obama having a majority among the "I'm registered, but I don't know if I'll bother to actually vote" crowd. Which, I suppose, is both good and bad.

I was going to write a paragraph saying that you guys who are all 'rarawrararrargh powell baaaaaad' are not seeing that the guy was as misled as we were back in 2002. I blame bush, and cheney, for deciding to start a war with Iraq, finding the evidence to support that decision, and preaching it to the rest of their administration. Powell didn't make the product, or the pitch. He just did his farking job while TRUSTING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO NOT BE A PIECE OF SCAT LIAR. Not that much of a stretch for a republican in 2002.

but then I realized this is fark, and no one cares.

/then I realized I wrote it anyway.
//I should get some sleep now.
///good things come in threes.
////crap.

TheConvincingSavant: Satyagraha: Lied and knew it.
3955 Dead US soldiers.
4 million displaced Iraqis
10's of thousands of Iraqi civilian dead.
Go write a book Colin, maybe you can give-up some juicy secrets, like why you sold your soul to the dark side.

Got proof?

Maybe lied and knew it is prefacing your post?


Go lick Powell's boots if you want but this guy says Powell knew the truth and lied:

Greg Thielmann Director of the Office of Strategic Proliferation and Military Affairs for the State Department under Powell.

There's also CIA people and experts from Oak Ridge National Laboratory that have stated that they informed Powell but you go on with your fantasy American idol crap.

Just Google Powell lied to UN and you'll have weeks worth of reading

Extractorator: He just did his farking job



You know who else said they were just doing their job?

You know who else said they were just doing their job?

Damn....can you imagine standing at parade rest like that for hours as those guys droned on and on and on....

Satyagraha: You know who else said they were just doing their job?

The UN?

Echoic: Louder And More Dissonant: If I'm reading the polls on that page right, Obama is leading with registered voters (RV) and Clinton with likely voters (LV). Am I getting that right?

I believe you are. I wonder what the reason for that is.

Most likely voter models exclude or are weighted strongly against people who haven't voted before or don't usually vote in big numbers (read: young people, black people, and crossover Republicans/Independents). Obama has turned out truly shocking numbers of first time voters, which is one of the big reasons the polling has been so bizarre this year.

Obama's chances are based entirely on turning out new voters, which is a hugely risky strategy, but his fundraising numbers do give some hope.

Seems more likely to me he's waiting as to who ends up with the Democratic nomination or enters as an Independent rather than flat out joining the Otrain. Though I imagine he'd be more inclined to endorse Obama than Hillary (probably opting for McCain than her, I figure).

themadtupper: Echoic: Louder And More Dissonant: If I'm reading the polls on that page right, Obama is leading with registered voters (RV) and Clinton with likely voters (LV). Am I getting that right?

I believe you are. I wonder what the reason for that is.

Most likely voter models exclude or are weighted strongly against people who haven't voted before or don't usually vote in big numbers (read: young people, black people, and crossover Republicans/Independents). Obama has turned out truly shocking numbers of first time voters, which is one of the big reasons the polling has been so bizarre this year.

Obama's chances are based entirely on turning out new voters, which is a hugely risky strategy, but his fundraising numbers do give some hope.

The odd part is that, with the exception of a couple of states (NV, NH) the young voters have actually showed up and voted. Even more interesting is that they've turned out more frequently in caucus states, where it's hard to get anyone to show up.

I'm seeing a big sweep of Washington, Nebraska, and perhaps Maine this weekend, and momentum carrying Obama to big wins in the Potomac primary on Tuesday.

Then again, I could be wrong.

/hope not

Peace On Earth: Satyagraha: You know who else said they were just doing their job?

The UN?

SuperLOL.

All aboard

/damn, beaten to the Soultrain pic

Arthur Jumbles: What was in the farking Kool-Aid that Bush gave to both Powell and McCain to make them fall in line? I respected both of these men and they sold their souls to a farking frat boy who never earned a damn thing in his entire life. Did Cheney promise to have their families killed?

That and who knows what else. Cheney is utterly ruthless. Hillary and him both give off a vibe that they'd eat babies to stay in power. I can barely stand to watch either of them, they're so damn cold and creepy.

Satyagraha: TheConvincingSavant: Satyagraha: Lied and knew it.
3955 Dead US soldiers.
4 million displaced Iraqis
10's of thousands of Iraqi civilian dead.
Go write a book Colin, maybe you can give-up some juicy secrets, like why you sold your soul to the dark side.

Got proof?

Maybe lied and knew it is prefacing your post?


Go lick Powell's boots if you want but this guy says Powell knew the truth and lied:

Greg Thielmann Director of the Office of Strategic Proliferation and Military Affairs for the State Department under Powell.

There's also CIA people and experts from Oak Ridge National Laboratory that have stated that they informed Powell but you go on with your fantasy American idol crap.

Just Google Powell lied to UN and you'll have weeks worth of reading

First of all, if you and Savant didn't come off as such conspiracy nuts/truthers it might seem a bit more convincing when you tell us to google something. Second of all Google info is a waste, give me a book or non-internet based proof.

TheConman: Got proof?

Maybe lied and knew it is prefacing your post?

24 Feb 2001 In Cairo, Secretary of State Colin Powell declares: "He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors."