For once, polls are probably right

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Story at eleven.

What, there's no tag for No Shiat Sherlock?

Welcome to December 2007, subby.

/It's not Fark, it's news from months ago

But...but...but...

Barack Obama's middle name is HUSSEIN!!1!!!ELEVEN!!!!
And Hillary Clinton turned me into a NEWT! I got better....

You hear that, Democrats? Don't fark this shiat up. You can put this one in the bag by nominating the right person.

Ron Paul Revere: The Dems will still nominate her anyway. Mark my words.

You betcha.

Never underestimate the Democratic Party's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

/Obama '08

That's Racist!

new poll shows sky is blue

Shrugging Atlas: Never underestimate the Democratic Party's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I heard Randi Rhodes say exactly that today.

My 92-year-old grandmother is voting Democrat for the first time in her life because, she says, McCain is too old.

When someone who remembers horse-drawn buggies tells you a candidate is too old, either he's too old, or the end of the world is at hand. Possibly both, since my Southern grandmother is also voting for Obama, because she doesn't trust Bill & Hillary again.

See you at the Second Coming.

If you want to vote for Obama just because he is black, or Hillary because she is a woman, then you don't deserve a vote. I support Obama because he is not a paid for tool of the DC lobby/money machine. Not that he is not capable of it, it's just that he hasn't been in DC long enough to be corrupted. Give him another term and I don't know if I would vote for him.

Well I won't vote for Hillary under any circumstance. I'm planning on voting for Obama, but if Hillary gets the nomination, it's all McCain.

We need to break this ugly & corrupt family dynasty Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton cycle.

If Hillary wins the nomination, it won't be because Democrats voted for her.

I'm posting from my iPod or I'd provide links, but polls have been saying this for nearly a year. This was before Giulliani and Romney and Thompson and Edwards and whoever the fark else dropped out, and Obama basically was the only Democrat in the polls who could beat any Republican nominated. I don't know how the Hillary campaign has perpetuated the myth the only she can beat McCain -- it simply is an ubsunstantiable claim.

Ron Paul Revere: The Dems will still nominate her anyway. Mark my words.

ThisShrugging Atlas: Never underestimate the Democratic Party's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Thises

JimmyFartpants: Well I won't vote for Hillary under any circumstance. I'm planning on voting for Obama, but if Hillary gets the nomination, it's all McCain.

We need to break this ugly & corrupt family dynasty Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton cycle.

Ah, because the bag man from the Keating Five is a BETTER choice? Or haven't you been paying attention?

Of course he does. He has made the point over and over again - you don't beat McCain on the war by being sort of like him. No Dem will win a Commander in Chief argument with John McCain. You have to beat him by contrasting with him.

Harry Pooter: I'm posting from my iPod or I'd provide links, but polls have been saying this for nearly a year. This was before Giulliani and Romney and Thompson and Edwards and whoever the fark else dropped out, and Obama basically was the only Democrat in the polls who could beat any Republican nominated. I don't know how the Hillary campaign has perpetuated the myth the only she can beat McCain -- it simply is an ubsunstantiable claim.

I don't think Obama was the only Democrat who could beat a Republican. I think it was that Hillary was the only Democrat who couldn't.

I'm pretty sure that an empty suit would be able to beat McCain in November. Oh wait, he was in the same party and dropped out, I forgot.

Another pro-Obama thread on Fark to go with the many anti-Hillary threads on Fark for the day? I'm shocked. Drew, just come out and endorse the guy already.

/Hates them both.

muck4doo: Another pro-Obama thread on Fark to go with the many anti-Hillary threads on Fark for the day? I'm shocked. Drew, just come out and endorse the guy already.

/Hates them both.

Oy. You.

Ron Paul Revere: The Dems will still nominate her anyway. Mark my words.

Unfortunately, this. The elected delegates will probably break close to 50-50 on Obama/Clinton which means it's just up to the superdelegates. And the superdelegates have already made it pretty clear that they're for Hillary because, well, she's in the good-ole-boy network by virtue of her husband.

You think voters were disenfranchised in 2000? Just imagine what will happen to the Democratic Party if all of the people who voted for and donated to Obama were suddenly overridden by a few hundred people in a smoke-filled back room.

muck4doo: Another pro-Obama thread on Fark to go with the many anti-Hillary threads on Fark for the day? I'm shocked. Drew, just come out and endorse the guy already.

/Hates them both.

Then stay the fark out of the threads. Whiny biatch.

So you needed to do a farking poll to prove this obvious point... you could have sent me the $3000 and I could have told you the same thing...

here's a few of my services for free.

- Polls show that water is indeed wet.
- Polls show that the sky is up, the ground is down... unless you are doing a handstand, in that case invert it.
- Polls show that not eating will kill you, but eating too much is also bad for your health.

Harry Pooter: I'm posting from my iPod or I'd provide links, but polls have been saying this for nearly a year. This was before Giulliani and Romney and Thompson and Edwards and whoever the fark else dropped out, and Obama basically was the only Democrat in the polls who could beat any Republican nominated. I don't know how the Hillary campaign has perpetuated the myth the only she can beat McCain -- it simply is an ubsunstantiable claim.


No one shall deny Hilly her birthright to be president. Seriously, it is. Ask her.

Pfft... But the man is black! There's no way an African-American can win in southern states like Alabama!

I keep hoping that the Obama-friendly primaries coming up will help swing things in his direction...I guess we'll see.

Calvin Coolidge: muck4doo: Another pro-Obama thread on Fark to go with the many anti-Hillary threads on Fark for the day? I'm shocked. Drew, just come out and endorse the guy already.

/Hates them both.

Then stay the fark out of the threads. Whiny biatch.

Why should I? Are you upset becuase I'm pointing out the obvious?

muck4doo: Calvin Coolidge: muck4doo: Another pro-Obama thread on Fark to go with the many anti-Hillary threads on Fark for the day? I'm shocked. Drew, just come out and endorse the guy already.

/Hates them both.

Then stay the fark out of the threads. Whiny biatch.

Why should I? Are you upset becuase I'm pointing out the obvious?

No, it's because you're farking whining.

DEMOCRATS: Obama has the best chance of beating McCain.
REPUBLICANS: He's an empty suit with no experience and if he gets elected he'll probably be assassinated.
DEMOCRATS: Like we said, let's nominate Hillary!

Democrats seem to have this severe difficulty with the idea that the opposition may not be all that interested in helping them win.

If Hillary cared about the country instead of power, she would consider stepping out of this race to give the Democrats a chance of winning the general election.

However, I have a feeling that the Clintons are so wrapped up in their own world that they won't even consider that she can't win.

WorldCitizen: If Hillary cared about the country instead of power, she would consider stepping out of this race to give the Democrats a chance of winning the general election.

However, I have a feeling that the Clintons are so wrapped up in their own world that they won't even consider that she can't win.

I don't think Hillary has ever, for a moment, thought about conceding. I don't know if she actually has the ability to. Can you imagine what a Hillary concession speech would be? It's hard for me to see her doing it. She'll fight tooth and nail, destroying the party and Obama in the process.

Expect to hear this trumpeted as loudly as possible by Obama's campaign in the next few weeks. If they can make this a media meme, it could give Obama a massive boost over Hillary ad a very crucial time in the process.

Why people would still support Hillary over Obama even knowing that she's not as likely to beat the Republican candidate just boggles my mind. I mean, everything good about her (except her gender) is represented more honestly and more sincerely in Obama.

The woman just ooozes insincerity. It kinda freaks me out that she still has so much support just because she's a woman and she's powerful (and/or she's not black).

bberg: Unfortunately, this. The elected delegates will probably break close to 50-50 on Obama/Clinton which means it's just up to the superdelegates. And the superdelegates have already made it pretty clear that they're for Hillary because, well, she's in the good-ole-boy network by virtue of her husband.

You think voters were disenfranchised in 2000? Just imagine what will happen to the Democratic Party if all of the people who voted for and donated to Obama were suddenly overridden by a few hundred people in a smoke-filled back room.

Yeah, I imagine the Democrats will do this and totally lose the excitement of voters to get out and vote this year. And they will lose. If there is one thing I count on the Democrats for, it is doing their damnedest to lose elections.

File subby's headline under "Dur"

Ace Frehley's Ghost: muck4doo: Calvin Coolidge: muck4doo: Another pro-Obama thread on Fark to go with the many anti-Hillary threads on Fark for the day? I'm shocked. Drew, just come out and endorse the guy already.

/Hates them both.

Then stay the fark out of the threads. Whiny biatch.

Why should I? Are you upset becuase I'm pointing out the obvious?

No, it's because you're farking whining.

I see. I will let you all continue with your Obama circle jerk then.

Calvin Coolidge:

Then stay the fark out of the threads. Whiny biatch.

YA THINK?!?!?!

If ever there was a need for a Romero pic, it is in this here thread.

Time Traveler: Be careful what you wish for!!

Change the face on the pictures, and that was pretty much Giuliani's New York.

I dunno about the whole "superdelegate" thing. It seems to me that these people act as a sort of electoral college for the primary process. That is, they will support whoever gets the majority of "regular" delegate counts.

Think about it. If Obama had the majority of regular delegates even by a single vote, but these people hand it to Hillary, there will be riots in parts of some major cities. It will irreparably damage the Democratic Party for the better part of a decade.

I ask myself: is the Democratic Party establishment this stupid; this eager to sabotage themselves just to get their "centrist" (read: corporate) candidate the nomination, even knowing she has a smaller chance of defeating the Republican than the alternative?

And I answer myself: I wouldn't put it past them . . . I wouldn't put it past them.

Yeah. This is true, at least for me.

For me, if Obama runs, he has my vote. If it is Clinton, my vote goes to McCain.

i hope to high heaven that the dnc support obama.

otherwise...i will vote for mccain if they go with clinton.

-i'm the opposite of mann coulter and laura ingram then.

how weird is that.

muck4doo: Ace Frehley's Ghost: muck4doo: Calvin Coolidge: muck4doo: Another pro-Obama thread on Fark to go with the many anti-Hillary threads on Fark for the day? I'm shocked. Drew, just come out and endorse the guy already.

/Hates them both.

Then stay the fark out of the threads. Whiny biatch.

Why should I? Are you upset becuase I'm pointing out the obvious?

No, it's because you're farking whining.

I see. I will let you all continue with your Obama circle jerk then.

So basically, you're the type of farker who sits around waiting for a music thread to come up so you can pop in and go, "You know that band you all like? They suck, and you suck for liking them, and if you say that I suck, it just means you suck."

Must be a fulfulling life you lead there.

You know, I was watching CNN's Super Tuesday coverage the other night and they had Ari Fleischer on there as a political "analyst." Why, I'm not entirely sure, but that's beside the point. My point is this: He came out and said quite plainly that Republicans hope and pray that Hillary is nominee. They know they can beat her, and they've already got the tools to do it from their conflicts with the Clintons from the 90s. I mean, shiat, why do you think all the right-wingers out there are always talking about beating Hillary like it's a foregone conclusion that she'll be the nominee? It's because they hope that if they say it enough, it'll be come true and they'll have their wish.

So if you want to help the Republicans win in '08, vote Hillary.

They would both crush McCain badly. Especially the "super-ticket" of Clinton/Obama, which is looking more and more like a reality.

Prospero424:

I have to believe they aren't that stupid. There will be some game-playing and deals made, but end of the day, if the votes are breaking even 55/45 Obama/Clinton, they will do the right thing and push the brother over the top.

Otherwise, we basically should just go straight to our recruiters, because eventually they will run out of body armor and Iodine pills* for the conscripts sent to Iran by President McCain.

* to combat rad sickness from the tac nukes in theater