Wow, I watched McCain on "Meet the Press" smear this guy as the biggest pork-barrel king in Congress just a couple of weeks ago.

Standard political positioning, nothing to see here.

Democrats have to be feeling good now. Three Democrats in the lead for president: Obama, Clinton, and McCain.

Two words, "closing ranks". The Republicans are mustering in for the general election fight. The Dem's are cat fighting amongst themselves.

MacG: Democrats have to be feeling good now. Three Democrats in the lead for president: Obama, Clinton, and McCain.

I don't know about others, but I feel better. I don't care for McCain's foreign policy ideals, but overall I doubt McCain is worse than Bush. Now if Clinton drops out I can breathe a sigh of relief.

MacG: Standard political positioning, nothing to see here.

Actually, there's a lot to see: I find it really amusing to watch Republicans flip-flop like fish out of water on McCain, whom I saw as the lesser of evils out of the front running Republicans.

BooBoo23:

Actually, there's a lot to see: I find it really amusing to watch Republicans flip-flop like fish out of water on McCain, whom I saw as the lesser of evils out of the front running Republicans.

To be fair, this guy still says that he thinks Romney would be a better president. But instead of now backing McCain, he should have just stayed out of it publicly.

Nestea Plunge: "We will obey....we will support McCain....we will wait for further instructions...."


VOTE HYPNOTAD!

Three Crooked Squirrels: To be fair, this guy still says that he thinks Romney would be a better president.

Correct- I should have been more clear that I was speaking more about others than Sen. Cochran, whose opinion is pretty obvious. I figure as the race narrows, many of McCain's more vehement detractors will be eating their words, and that's what I'm looking forward to watching.

It's not stupid.

The guy still says that Romney would make a better President, but that President McCain is better than President Hillary

GaryPDX: Two words, "closing ranks". The Republicans are mustering in for the general election fight. The Dem's are cat fighting amongst themselves.

This.

Democrats are engineering their own defeat. Lots of catfighting will mean lots of democrats angry at their fellow democrats, and if Hillary gets the nomination, the Obama apostle might decide not to vote or vote McCain just to spite Hillary.

It's fun to watch political parties devour themselves from inside

/This is why I wanted Giuliani to get the nomination, to see the evangelicals freak out and leave the party in droves

Tatsuma: Obama apostle might decide not to vote or vote McCain just to spite Hillary.

Or, there are plenty of us right-leaning moderates that would be OK with Obama, but would definitely vote against Hillary.

I'd love to see an example of the so called "Cat Fighting" between Obama and Hillary.

What few barbs HAVE been thrown have often turned around on the thrower far more than the throwee and they seem to be sitting in their respective corners.

Speaks: I'd love to see an example of the so called "Cat Fighting" between Obama and Hillary.

What few barbs HAVE been thrown have often turned around on the thrower far more than the throwee and they seem to be sitting in their respective corners.

With extended claws. Sorta like a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs. I can smell the tension. I want biting and hair pulling.

BooBoo23: Actually, there's a lot to see: I find it really amusing to watch Republicans flip-flop...

Well, I just mean that they all do this, all the time. Obama and Hillary will be kissing and making up, too, when their battle is over. It happens with every damn election.

Speaks: I'd love to see an example of the so called "Cat Fighting" between Obama and Hillary.

What few barbs HAVE been thrown have often turned around on the thrower far more than the throwee and they seem to be sitting in their respective corners.

Both the conservative and the "liberal" media has been playing up every slight disagreement on issues as a major clash with colorful boxing metaphors.

This is why you see farkers like GaryPDX and Tatsuma state that democrats are "cat-fighting" as if it were fact.

palladiate: Or, there are plenty of us right-leaning moderates that would be OK with Obama, but would definitely vote against Hillary.

Indeed

Unright: This is why you see farkers like GaryPDX and Tatsuma state that democrats are "cat-fighting" as if it were fact.

The knives out of Hillary and Obama's backs point in that direction

Nestea Plunge: you fatous

fatous? What is that? The retarded way illiterate people write facetious?

Tatsuma: The knives out of Hillary and Obama's backs point in that direction

That's just plain innuendo.

Nestea Plunge: Tatsuma: Nestea Plunge: you fatous

fatous? What is that? The retarded way illiterate people write facetious?

Shiat, I was one letter off. Pardon my spelling, you shiat licking son of a whore.

fatuous /ˈfætʃuəs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fach-oo-uhs] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
-adjective 1. foolish or inane, esp. in an unconscious, complacent manner; silly.
2. unreal; illusory.

At first I thought it was Flatuous. I need more coffee.

Nestea Plunge: Shiat, I was one letter off. Pardon my spelling,

Welcome to Fark, now go cry, emo kid.

Nestea Plunge
It doesn't matter how much the Dems fight, the Repubs haven't been this fragmented since 1980.

This, depressingly, stokes the Dem's only hope for a win if they nominate HRC.
After the past two terms, I would never have thought the November '08 outcome could be in doubt.
Every presidential vote I get to cast (my first was in '80) is between more and more repellent choices...

He's a FRACKIN CYLON, DAMNIT!!

Tatsuma Democrats are engineering their own defeat. Lots of catfighting will mean lots of democrats angry at their fellow democrats, and if Hillary gets the nomination, the Obama apostle might decide not to vote or vote McCain just to spite Hillary.

Seven in ten Democratic voters said in exit polls that they will happily support either candidate. In contrast, it's obvious that the Republicans hate John McCain.

The best hope that the GOP has is that Hillary runs, in which case their campaign will focus entirely on stirring up people's hatred of her. It will be devoid of any discussion of the issues. And frankly, it will fail, because no matter how much people dislike Hillary, that amount of vitriol is going to turn off a lot of voters.

If you abolished the two main political parties ... I wonder if McCain would get much in the way of votes. A lot of people are going to vote for McCain just because he's a "Republican".

Seriously, I have no idea how anybody could vote for him now. I used to have some respect for the guy, but after his support for the guy who cheated him in 2000, and after what he said about the invasion of Iraq .... I wouldn't vote for him under any circumstances.

Grrr: Every presidential vote I get to cast (my first was in '80) is between more and more repellent choices...

People who have run for President since 1980 who were not repellent

1984: John Glenn
1988: Al Gore, Dick Gebhardt
1992: Bob Kerrey
1996: Pete Wilson, Arlen Specter
2000: Bill Bradley
2004: General Wesley Clark
2008: Obama? Bill Richardson? Admittedly, all the GOP candidates have been pricks

Here's the man you're thinking of, though he may be a descendant...

Cowboy Spencer: Seriously, I have no idea how anybody could vote for him now. I used to have some respect for the guy, but after his support for the guy who cheated him in 2000, and after what he said about the invasion of Iraq .... I wouldn't vote for him under any circumstances.

Not to mention, his flip-flops on everything from abortion to illegal immigration to nation-building make John Kerry look like a straight talker. McCain has two possible strategies, and both of them are non-starters. The first is to appeal to conservatives, but if he does that, everyone is going to call him out for changing his positions. The other is to hope that Hillary wins and stir up the hatred and vitriol within the conservative movement, but that's going to make him look like a mean-spirited and angry old man who isn't fit to lead.

bubbaprog: People who have run for President since 1980 who were not repellent

John Anderson seemed pretty cool, if you're including 1980...

GaryPDX: Two words, "closing ranks". The Republicans are mustering in for the general election fight. The Dem's are cat fighting amongst themselves.

So, what's it like to mindlessly support people with zero integrity who blatantly contradict themselves for political gain? The man could have opted to say nothing at all you do know.

LocalCynic: Cowboy Spencer: Seriously, I have no idea how anybody could vote for him now. I used to have some respect for the guy, but after his support for the guy who cheated him in 2000, and after what he said about the invasion of Iraq .... I wouldn't vote for him under any circumstances.

Not to mention, his flip-flops on everything from abortion to illegal immigration to nation-building make John Kerry look like a straight talker. McCain has two possible strategies, and both of them are non-starters. The first is to appeal to conservatives, but if he does that, everyone is going to call him out for changing his positions. The other is to hope that Hillary wins and stir up the hatred and vitriol within the conservative movement, but that's going to make him look like a mean-spirited and angry old man who isn't fit to lead.

The GOP sees this. In 2012, they'll reform the party and either be just like the Democrats or be the Reagan/Goldwater party they claimed to be and never proved to be.

palladiate: Or, there are plenty of us right-leaning moderates that would be OK with Obama, but would definitely vote against Hillary.

Why would be be OK with somebody who's to the left of Hillary on every issue?

Komplex: palladiate: Or, there are plenty of us right-leaning moderates that would be OK with Obama, but would definitely vote against Hillary.

Why would a be "right-leaning moderate" be OK with somebody who's to the left of Hillary on every issue?

cltbuilder: The GOP sees this. In 2012, they'll reform the party and either be just like the Democrats or be the Reagan/Goldwater party they claimed to be and never proved to be.

No, I doubt it. The truth seems to be that the GOP loves pretenders. When someone authentic appears, like Mike Huckabee, the GOP establishment attempts to destroy him because somebody who seriously practices what he preaches would be too hard to control. The sad truth is that most GOP voters will moan and complain and say that they'll stay home, but when it comes down to it, they'll vote for whoever has an (R) next to their name, assuming that person is a pretender like the rest of them.

Komplex: Why would be be OK with somebody who's to the left of Hillary on every issue?

Obama supports reforming No Child Left Behind; Hillary calls for abolishing it. Obama supports a voluntary universal health care program, whereas Hillary supports a single payer system where if you don't buy it, the government will garnish your wages. Obama supports government transparency; Hillary does not.

...but I guess it's just easier to throw that scary "liberal" label around in the hopes that the Dittoheads change their minds.

I predict a wave of right-wing flip-flopping in the coming days.

The only real question is; How bad are the riots going to be when Hillary steals the nomination.

Speaks: I'd love to see an example of the so called "Cat Fighting" between Obama and Hillary.

What few barbs HAVE been thrown have often turned around on the thrower far more than the throwee and they seem to be sitting in their respective corners.

How bout the New Hampshire mailers? (new window) Obama, fer Frank's sake, was the *only* Senator to work with the South Dakotans for choice when they banned abortion. Dirty, dirty, and her renewed momentum might not have come without it. As Bill said of his lies about my pretty-respectable Senator Dole, "ya gotta do what ya gotta do".

The Clinton years were better than the present. Not horrible policies, not really good ones. OK, even if he/they were moderately corrupt. Tammany Hall was a pretty effective government in New York, too. But, I'd love not to invite that circus back to town this time,

whidbey: John Anderson seemed pretty cool, if you're including 1980...




Would have been a good battle. Carter was not a bad man.

Komplex: Komplex: palladiate: Or, there are plenty of us right-leaning moderates that would be OK with Obama, but would definitely vote against Hillary.

Why would a be "right-leaning moderate" be OK with somebody who's to the left of Hillary on every issue?

Because he's not, and you're being disingenuous. Will McCain nationalize healthcare? Will McCain censor video games and electronic media? Not as likely as Hillary. She's not so much right or left as f*cking nuts.

palladiate: She's not so much right or left as f*cking nuts.

Except nationalizing health care isn't "nuts." It's about goddamn time. And that doesn't make a person "left" to support such a thing.

McCain is 71 years old. I would'nt feel safe knowing he's driving a car let alone running the country.

UNC_Samurai: After much research into foreign policy and capitalism versus socialism I have now ready to make my endorcement.

HYPNOTOAD 2008!
We are already in a trance why change horses!!!

whidbey: No it just makes a person nuts to hand it over to one of the most incompetent western civilizations.
Given some countries do have a good national healthcare system, Norway's works great, but then again every other social system Norway has works pretty well. This is all sorta like saying... WOW Comcast SUCKS, I hate them!! I can't wait to sign up for their all in one Phone, Internet, Cable package!!

Sen. Thad Cochran, who once said "The thought of [McCain] being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me,"

I can't wait for McCain to get in a debate with either Hillary or Obama (preferably Barack) and watch him lose it in a fit of fury on tv in front of the whole nation.

This is funny. I see what you did there.

MindStalker: Norway's works great, but then again every other social system Norway has works pretty well.

I've heard that before...except I remember it as "The grass is always GREENER on the other side of the fence."

No it just makes a person nuts to hand it over to one of the most incompetent western civilizations.

Being a cynic isn't the answer to this.

So we've got problems. Why not FIX them instead of being such a naysayer and throwing in the towel? We ARE the government, man.

It's up to us to call out the inefficiency and the corruption, not just sit back and hope someone else does the job FOR us.

whidbey: Except nationalizing health care isn't "nuts." It's about goddamn time. And that doesn't make a person "left" to support such a thing.

Well, seeing as how Obama wants to get the government involved, and I voiced my support for him upthread, that's not the issue. I don't like her ideas on how to go about it, I don't like her non-liberal views in regards to Amendments 1, 2, 4, 5....

Nobody in the race has liberal views on the 2nd.

LocalCynic:

Obama supports a voluntary universal health care program, whereas Hillary supports a single payer system where if you don't buy it, the government will garnish your wages.

You may want to examine the meaning of "single payer system." What Clinton proposes is not a single payer system, it is mandated private coverage, not altogether different from the system instituted in Massachusetts during Romney's time at the helm. Hell, I'd love to see a single payer system, but no viable candidate is proposing it and it's not going to happen.

whidbey: Yea, but until you fix the underlying problems of our social programs don't add more social programs. Thats what happened with Medicare Part D, oh wow Medicare has problems, lets just add more to it!