This is of her ideas that make her the scariest person in politics.

I might be wrong, but might this just penalize employees of companies that fail to provide health insurance benefits?

/not that she has any experience with companies like Wal-Mart

Do people really have that short of memories?

The last time a Clinton was in power and tried to push something like this it helped hand control of Congress to the Republicans for the first time in over 30 years.

This idea will go over like a turd in the punch bowl.

What about people who don't work?

T-Servo: not that she has any experience with companies like Wal-Mart

She was on the Wal-Mart executive board for several years.

/I'm hoping you were being facetious

one point here:

Even if you agree with universal health care mandates and EVEN if Hillary could win.... SHE WILL NEVER GET IT PASSED.

The whole thing is an absurd talking point. It is a political fairy tale.

The ONLY way you EVER get huge changes (like social security or medicare) is when you have a LANDSLIDE presidential victory. Everyone and their mother knows that Hillary can't win more than 53 or 54% of the vote on the high side.

The only chance you have for universal health care is Obama winning a landslide victory, which is something he could actually pull off.

hillbillypharmacist: I'm hoping you were being facetious

Of course I was- but funny how one can't find any evidence of her experience there on her campaign website. I mean, that was a good 5-6 out of her '35' years.

T-Servo: Of course I was- but funny how one can't find any evidence of her experience there on her campaign website. I mean, that was a good 5-6 out of her '35' years.

She must have forgot.

Forcing people to buy something sounds more like corporate welfare.

Bye bye, Hil. Write if you find work.

The government already garnishes my wages for crappy stuff like social security and medicare. Are they trying to get it to the point where we will be paying for the privilege of working?

so, would a military retiree - who is already participating in Tricare - be forced to purchase so she can have 'universal' healthcare?

AliceInWonderland: The government already garnishes my wages for crappy stuff like social security and medicare. Are they trying to get it to the point where we will be paying for the privilege of working?

Pretty much, yeah. I expect to see my payroll taxes double if Hillary gets this monstrosity off the ground.

Asclepius: What about people who don't work?

Grind them into free meatloaf for the poor.

Asclepius: What about people who don't work?

They get fined for not having health care.

At least, that is how it has worked in states that have tried the mandate so far.

Mitt the Schitt already pulled this in MA. If you don't buy insurance, you are taxed more. Because somehow those who can't afford it suddenly can after the gov't takes money away.

Yes, there is a gap between "qualifies for Medicare" and "can afford a real insurance policy."

Knew there was a reason I distrusted the biatch.

AliceInWonderland: The government already garnishes my wages for crappy stuff like social security and medicare.

That stuff is crappy until you get old.

CruiserTwelve: AliceInWonderland: The government already garnishes my wages for crappy stuff like social security and medicare.

That stuff is crappy until you get old.

How cute! You actually think that will still be there when I'm set to retire in about 25yrs.

CruiserTwelve: AliceInWonderland: The government already garnishes my wages for crappy stuff like social security and medicare.

That stuff is crappy until you get old.

When I am old, that stuff won't be there.

Bill Frist: Asclepius: What about people who don't work?

They get fined for not having health care.

At least, that is how it has worked in states that have tried the mandate so far.

Indeed. And what about people who have a religious objection to certain medical proceedures? should they be forced to pay for something they consider sinful?

Should be interesting to see the court system handle questions like that.

Should be interesting to see the court system handle questions like that.

Exactly. This is why I said earlier she had no chance of getting it passed. Only someone with a landslide would have any hope.

It is just an empty talking point.

Hillary = All name recognition and buzzwords, no substance.

Oh goody! I only work 28 hours a week thanks to a lack of work so please, take more of my lousy ten bucks an hour.

Tunk87: CruiserTwelve: AliceInWonderland: The government already garnishes my wages for crappy stuff like social security and medicare.

That stuff is crappy until you get old.

How cute! You actually think that will still be there when I'm set to retire in about 25yrs.

Social Security is solvent for at least 40 more, but good try.

Call me xenophobic, but I refuse to pay for healthcare for Martians.

Weaver95: I expect to see my payroll taxes double if Hillary gets this monstrosity off the ground. elected.

/FTFY

cameroncrazy1984: Tunk87: CruiserTwelve: AliceInWonderland: The government already garnishes my wages for crappy stuff like social security and medicare.

That stuff is crappy until you get old.

How cute! You actually think that will still be there when I'm set to retire in about 25yrs.

Social Security is solvent for at least 40 more, but good try.

And you actually believe that? Based on what? Government accounting? There's an oximoron if I ever heard one.

I would rather invest that money myself so that I actually get some sort of return on it....oh, that's right. I can't keep it because the money taken from me is being used for other purposes.

Bill Frist: Asclepius: What about people who don't work?

They get fined for not having health care.

And when they don't pay the fine? What? Go to their house and torture them? Throw them in jail? Oh, yeah I like this plan.

Tunk87: How cute! You actually think that will still be there when I'm set to retire in about 25yrs.

As long as this organization exists:



So will social security and medicare. Old people vote.

cameroncrazy1984: Social Security is solvent for at least 40 more, but good try.

Sure, in make believe fantasy world. That money is gonna be used for other stuff until there isn't any left.

Then, when people retire in 20 years...they'll get an IOU and a thanks for helping the government 30 years ago.

CruiserTwelve: So will social security and medicare. Old people vote.

Old people can vote til they are blue in the face. But when you take out more money than you are putting in...it doesn't matter how many old people vote.

Asclepius: And when they don't pay the fine? What? Go to their house and torture them? Throw them in jail? Oh, yeah I like this plan.

It's tough but fair.

bulldg4life: Sure, in make believe fantasy world. That money is gonna be used for other stuff until there isn't any left.

Then, when people retire in 20 years...they'll get an IOU and a thanks for helping the government 30 years ago.

Nice factual argument you pose there. Good job. I don't know how I can argue with that.

cameroncrazy1984: Nice factual argument you pose there. Good job. I don't know how I can argue with that.

Well, I mean...I figured if you were going to throw out some fact based argument that shows actual numbers and a worthwhile projection...the least I could do is the same.

By all means, keep spouting random years for all you're worth.

Asclepius: And when they don't pay the fine? What? Go to their house and torture them? Throw them in jail? Oh, yeah I like this plan.

Probably the same thing that happens when you don't pay your taxes - an arrest, followed by a trial and then a long jail sentence.

How's that 'land of the free/home of the brave' thing working out for ya?

Any plan is better than now.

Vote Democratic in '08, because shiat as it is now is broken as hell.

it is clearly better to have other people pay for them through increased rates because the medical community wants to recoup their costs for those who can't afford the services and use them.

So now I have to pay for the insurance of all those mufos in their huge brand new shiny SUV's who have three gaming systems? I don't zink so.

I don't want the stinking healthcare, I want to pay for good healthcare, as I do, on my own.

I'm so glad she clarified that before Tuesday.

When the government makes something mandatory, everyone biatches saying "The government can't make me do shiat!" You know, when you let your attitude about the government stops you from worrying about your health situation, you need to have your head examined. But wait, you can't. Because you can't afford to have it examined.


/Maher

Asclepius: What about people who don't work?

Their health care gets paid for by the garnished wages of others.

MrGumboPants: Any plan is better than now.

Vote Democratic in '08, because shiat as it is now is broken as hell.

Yeah, let's vote for the people who sucked Bush's cock the past 8 years! Good plan!

/going to the gun range on election day if Paul's not on the ballot

Ummm, bull stuff?

"who refuse to buy health insurance"

Seems like the key sentence to me. Oh no, uninsured people will be forcibly insured and will no longer ride on the premiums of those who are.

Bill Frist: one point here:

Even if you agree with universal health care mandates and EVEN if Hillary could win.... SHE WILL NEVER GET IT PASSED.

The whole thing is an absurd talking point. It is a political fairy tale.
The ONLY way you EVER get huge changes (like social security or medicare) is when you have a LANDSLIDE presidential victory. Everyone and their mother knows that Hillary can't win more than 53 or 54% of the vote on the high side.

The only chance you have for universal health care is Obama winning a landslide victory, which is something he could actually pull off.


Dude....

...yer gonna get raped.

doyner: turd in the punch bowl.

Tickle your ass with a feather?

hillbillypharmacist:
She was on the Wal-Mart executive board for several years.


People (some at least) know that. But, I was pissed at Obama for not closing the deal at the debate.

Why was she on the board of Wal-Mart from 86-92? Think a second. Was she a business genius? Ever run a corner store? A major investor (well she was an investor, but not that major)? Or was she the wife of the pay-for-play governor? Could it be?

Then, why was she on the Healthcare taskforce? Was she a widely respected health expert? A trusted elected politician? No. She was the wife of a guy who won with 43% of the vote. Then, she took that "mandate" and went all secretive. People hated that. The plan wasn't that bad. It would've been better than what we had. But, Hillary screwed it up.

Obama has not been in the US Senate as long. But, he's won more elections than she has. And he's taken every step himself, from knocking on doors in the projects to fighting a political machine in his state house district, to convincing a bunch of different voters in Illinois.

YixilTesiphon: MrGumboPants: Any plan is better than now.

Vote Democratic in '08, because shiat as it is now is broken as hell.

Yeah, let's vote for the people who sucked Bush's cock the past 8 years! Good plan!

/going to the gun range on election day if Paul's not on the ballot

Might as well. A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for a racist moron, whose plans are not only the anti-thesis to the freedom he espouses, but would also firmly plant is into the pockets of the Chinese even more-so than we are now.

So the fine article basically says that people who are completely uninsured will actually have to pay for their own damn health insurance. Those of you who are paying attention might note that those people currently get free health care from emergency rooms that everyone else has to pay for.

Making people pay for their own health care instead of making me pay for it? I don't see a problem.