Great. So some retard writes a headline equivocating unemployment benefits with "helping people stay out of work," neglects to suggest that the people in the Senate are really talking about the supreme idiocy of giving away money in the form of tax rebates, and the whole stupid mess gets greenlit.

yeah, that sweet sweet $360/wk sure kept me away from the workforce back in '02.

Submitard,

Basically what you're saying is that if we didn't provide unemployment benefits to laid off workers, mysteriously, jobs would be created during a recession cycle and they would be re-employed?

Submitard, move out of your farking parents basement, put down the X-Box controller and read a book once in a while...

Nothing focuses the mind on getting a job when there is no more money coming in.

/ just saying

I had some Hooka down in Adams Morgan last night.

KellyLockhart: Nothing focuses the mind on getting a job when there is no more money coming in.

/ just saying


Those bastard laid-off workers. Their problem was merely a lack of focus. Of course!

Has anyone pointed out yet that unemployment insurance is not typically taxpayer funded?

Wow! This headline is just... stunning. Just... wow!

subby?

What an intelligent and insightful headline.

/-1

I don't know about you, but that $500 per week unemployment pay after getting laid off was sweet. When severance pay ran out, I had no problem looking for a new job full-time, while paying rent, utilities, food, gas, insurance, child support, and alimony with that.

/Submitter went for the troll theme to score a green light.
//Unless he/she really believes that shiat.

Extending unemployment benefits is something that is hard to be against as a concept. But I gotta agree with the headline, that they shouldn't be in an economic stimulus package. Give that part of the money back to business as tax cuts so they can afford to hire more people. That will qualify as stimulating the economy.

This theory might be valid if we had an extremely large amount of unemployed but currently we are at about a 5% unemployment rate nationally, which is only slightly higher than usual.

mikemoto: This theory might be valid if we had an extremely large amount of unemployed but currently we are at about a 5% unemployment rate nationally, which is only slightly higher than usual.

You actually believe that 5% number? Hang on a second.




Would you like to buy this bridge?

KellyLockhart: Nothing focuses the mind on getting a job when there is no more money coming in.

True, but you still need to pay the bills until that elusive job appears.

damageddude: True, but you still need to pay the bills until that elusive job appears.

Not only that, but even if you had your final interview today, and the VP or whoever told you that you start tomorrow, welcome aboard, etc..(this never happens. The interview process usually lasts a month) You still wouldn't get paid for at least 3 weeks. Probably a month.

Also, Unemployment requires that the recipient actively looks for work and reports which interviews he/she has attended. They check up on the recipient regularly. If you're not actively pursuing employment, no more checks.

thamike: You still wouldn't get paid for at least 3 weeks. Probably a month.

About the same time the Senate will finish monkeying with this legislation.

thamike: Also, Unemployment requires that the recipient actively looks for work and reports which interviews he/she has attended. They check up on the recipient regularly. If you're not actively pursuing employment, no more checks.

Vandelay Industries FTW.

Well, if it's the Republicans, then it's pole.

I vote that Subby is having trouble locating his head, and that he should start his search within the confines of his anus.

Why is there this idea that people who are unemployed are just having a blast and living the good life? Being poor sucks.

Come to America! Where we pay you to have more children, let you use your children to gain citizenship, and reward those who don't try hard.

mistahtom: Come to America! Where we pay you to have more children, let you use your children to gain citizenship, and reward those who don't try hard.

Agreed. Nothing says you didn't try hard enough like being laid off, right?

NBG: You actually believe that 5% number?

Currently only people actively recieving unemployment benefits are counted as being officially unemployed. One of the results of extending benefits is that the unemployment rate will appear to grow larger but that rate will really just be more reflective of reality.

Recall all Repuglikkkans:

You ask like it's a bad thing. The country was built to help "the general welfare of its citizens" and that's what it should do. If people are better off, what's so bad about it? I'd rather people be free to be able to do what they WANT to do, but jobs they HAVE to do.


I'm curious where you got that quote from. Are you misquoting the Constitution or did it appear somewhere else.

This is one of the most idiotic headlines I've seen on Fark. I don't get the Libertarian fad thing at all . . .

You know, you kind of suck. Sucking suck you farking suck. Suck suck suck. You fark.

Carth: I'm curious where you got that quote from. Are you misquoting the Constitution or did it appear somewhere else.

I believe "promote the general welfare" is either in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.

Alphax: Carth: I'm curious where you got that quote from. Are you misquoting the Constitution or did it appear somewhere else.

I believe "promote the general welfare" is either in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.

I know that but "the general welfare of its citizens" has a very different meaning than the quote from the Constitution because of the "of its citizens" part he stuck on there. I'm not ruling out the possibility someone else said it but I'd never heard it before.

Dang, and I just landed a job, with one week left on my unemployment benefits. I just can't catch a break.

thalidomide new and improved: purchase free french fries

You can't purchase free french fries.

AirForceVet 2008-02-03 11:09:18 AM
I don't know about you, but that $500 per week unemployment pay after getting laid off was sweet. When severance pay ran out, I had no problem looking for a new job full-time, while paying rent, utilities, food, gas, insurance, child support, and alimony with that.

$500 a week in Alabama? That's pretty sweet. I was only getting $450 a week, the top cutoff, in California, which I'm guessing has a considerably higher cost of living.

I remember back when I was a conservative simpleton who was against any sort of unemployment benefits or government assistance of any kind. Then I got laid off just as all the jobs were being offshored. I wish I had been smart enough to understand, without having to live it, that sometimes a person can have a tsunami of bad things happen to them and all they need is a little help to get them back on their feet.

Con_Authority: Submitard, move out of your farking parents basement, put down the X-Box controller and read a book once in a while...

Damn straight! Read this one (new window)

Recall all Repuglikkkans:
The US Constitution, Article I, Section 8, clause 1. Read it and weep.


That is what i thought you were referring to the actual quote is

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"


Notice it doesn't say "the general welfare of its citizens" like you quoted. The difference between he two is huge so i was right you were just misquoting.

CaptainFatass: $500 a week in Alabama? That's pretty sweet. I was only getting $450 a week, the top cutoff, in California, which I'm guessing has a considerably higher cost of living.

No, not in Alabama, but in Florida. I was laid off in St. Petersburg and relocated to Huntsville to a new job.

And, I might be off on that $500/week as it's been over three years since my layoff. I recall the $500 amount, but it could have been biweekly. However, the debts due were accurate, if my income wasn't. Oh, I forgot credit card and car payments too.

/Happy Super Bowl Sunday, you all!

Actually, high unemployment can improve an economy suffering from rampant inflation by limiting spending and creating a greater focus on balancing trade deficits.

The more people working = the more people making money = the more money in the economy = the less money is worth.

Recall all Repuglikkkans: Carth: Notice it doesn't say "the general welfare of its citizens" like you quoted.

Who else makes up the United States than its citizens?

The difference between he two is huge so i was right you were just misquoting.

What difference do you see?


The specific article referenced is in regards to taxing imports and exports for the welfare to sustain and protect the republic not the people.

What is in the best interests of the United States is not always what is best for the majority of the population. Tyranny of the masses and all.

It's hardly disputable that most unemployed people are liberals, and frankly, since they refuse to better their lives, it's very likely that concepts like unemployment benefits will be phased out under the coming Republican administration, finally, and that the non-working will be required to join work details and other local infrastructure maintenance crews as incentive for them to get off their asses and become productive members of society.

No Skookum, They are Republican - Democrat until they become unemployed, then they are Liberal

thalidomide new and improved: We would like for you to take money from the 3500 Americans who are paying most of the taxes in this world, and distribute it to all of us.

Is your IQ above 50?

The sorry sparky, the middle class foots the bill for government in this country. If the wealthy paid taxes as an equal percentage of income as the middle class, they'd see a three fold increase in taxes.

Walmart, one of the most wealthy business in America is pushing for socialized medicine so they can get out of paying for medical insurance for their employees.

In other words, they want YOU to pay for the health care of their employees, while they sell a billion dollars worth of foreign made crap each day and reinvest the profits in foreign countries.

quatchi: NBG: You actually believe that 5% number?

Currently only people actively recieving unemployment benefits are counted as being officially unemployed.

FAIL. The employment survey has nothing to do with whether the respondents are collecting unemployment benefits.

Tzilla6: FAIL. The employment survey has nothing to do with whether the respondents are collecting unemployment benefits.

And you say that because... ?

I thought the goal was to inject the money into the economy via consumption. If that's the case, shouldn't the money go to the people who will spend it immediately?

I'm not living paycheck to paycheck at the moment, thank God, so a $300-600 check is going straight into the bank and stay there. If I was unemployed and struggling to get by, it would be spent immediately. The businesses that provide those goods and services will also benefit immediately, as would their suppliers.

If this is supposed to be a purely cause/effect manipulation of the economy, it's stupid to get caught up in personal philosophies.

Alphax: Tzilla6: FAIL. The employment survey has nothing to do with whether the respondents are collecting unemployment benefits.

And you say that because... ?

Probably because he's correct?

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_the_official_jobless_rate_fail_to.h tm l

or, more properly, the primary source --

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm

Its Sour Diesel and we're out. Got any?

BearToy: I wish I had been smart enough to understand, without having to live it, that sometimes a person can have a tsunami of bad things happen to them and all they need is a little help to get them back on their feet.

I wish some 45% of the American public would be smart enough to understand this.

There is really nothing more disgusting than someone who has never had to struggle passing judgement on people who are farked by life. Do some people fark up their own lives? Sure. But don't judge unless you know the facts, and there really is no excuse for society not to have lifelines available for people who can pull themselves (back) up.