A 20 dollar tax on a bong? And identity is recorded? fark that. There's no need to have my identity if I'm paying cash. Thank god I don't live in Maryland.

As soon as they start taxing legal marijuana sales I will happily pay that and the additional bong tax.

/DNRTFA
//migraine
///wonder if weed would alleviate the headache
////slashies

Pff, I'll just keeping making them out of small trash cans and 2 liter bottles.. or apples.. or whatever's lying around.

FTA "It's like when someone sells rope in the hardware store ... [it's not] for people to go hang themselves with."

This.

Marijuana should be legal, regulated, and taxed just like alcohol.

nobozo: FTA "It's like when someone sells rope in the hardware store ... [it's not] for people to go hang themselves with."

This.

To be perfectly fair, more often than not the "tobacco pipe" has a picture of a big green pot leaf on it.

The rope in his analogy should have a big "Michael Hutchence INXS celebrity endorsement" sticker to make the analogy really accurate.

Fair enough Bill_Wick's_Friend, but still....

No way, dude.

jestme: As soon as they start taxing legal marijuana sales I will happily pay that and the additional bong tax.

/DNRTFA
//migraine
///wonder if weed would alleviate the headache
////slashies

THIS.

This is a pathetic end-run attempt at Uncle Sam getting his pound of flesh out of black market sales. Legalize and reap the benefits, or get your hands away from my illegal money.

/And to answer your question: yes. Or no. It depends. Helps me with migraines, but causes headaches in others.

What did you guys say?

From TFA:

The legislation will be amended to exclude rolling papers, per a "friendly amendment" to be presented by tobacco giant Philip Morris USA at the hearing, Muse said.

WHAT THE shiat?????

fark this shiat, farking cawksucking tobacco lobby.

/Not a conspiracy theorist, just pointing the obvious.
//To answer the migraine question: depends on the strain. I found that it definitely helps for joint pains.

To be fair, the justification for tobacco taxes is usually the cost to the public health system, so if you're going to tax cigarettes I don't see why you wouldn't tax pipes. Even if they're used for marijuana, they still cause a lot of the same chronic health problems.

And if your justification for cigarette taxes is just that you feel like being a dick, you can also apply that to pipes.

Basically, there's no real way to argue against this without arguing in favor of abolishing the cigarette tax, which is a major source of income for the state (conveniently at the expense of poor farmers in another state). Well played, political guy, well played.

what the f*ck is this guy smoking?

The alcohol and tobacco lobbies will prevent legalization of marijuana, despite it being considerably safer for you. It shouldn't come as a surprise.

In other news, jews are jewish.

Illinois did somethng similar. It passed a law where you had to have a stamp on your marijuana or it was illegal. It was just a way for them to nail some of the small timers with something that wasn't a drug law. Many stamps were sold...to collectors.

vincentpriceisdead: Pff, I'll just keeping making them out of small trash cans and 2 liter bottles.. or apples.. or whatever's lying around.

This guys head would make an EXCELLENT BONG!

pinch_harmonics: From TFA:

The legislation will be amended to exclude rolling papers, per a "friendly amendment" to be presented by tobacco giant Philip Morris USA at the hearing, Muse said.

WHAT THE shiat?????

fark this shiat, farking cawksucking tobacco lobby.

/Not a conspiracy theorist, just pointing the obvious.
//To answer the migraine question: depends on the strain. I found that it definitely helps for joint pains.

Works wonders on my arthritic joints, but I would not recommend it for headaches/migraines. No matter what the strain, it seems to intensify headaches, at least for me. Slightly hung-over this morning - I'd kill for an aspirin and a can of Irn Bru.

You can just make your own bong anyways. In college we used a 2 liter soda bottle and a pitcher of water. Besides, I prefer rolled "tobacco" products anyways. I never liked water pipes or other things.

I'm gonna hve to ask my friend Dave about this. I only he'd let me in.

The government will try to tax things they think are bad for you.

Lets just make plastic, metal and glass illegal, that way there is no chance some hooligan is going to use it to make a bong or a pipe.

C. Anthony Muse

Our gun registry in Canada was a big debacle so I can't wait to see how the USA's bong registry pans out.

Foolkiller: Illinois did somethng similar. It passed a law where you had to have a stamp on your marijuana or it was illegal. It was just a way for them to nail some of the small timers with something that wasn't a drug law. Many stamps were sold...to collectors.

20 states (new window) still have Marijuana Tax Stamp laws. They basically exist so that not only can they get you for possession of Marijuana, they get you for tax evasion as well.

Kral: The alcohol and tobacco lobbies will prevent legalization of marijuana, despite it being considerably safer for you. It shouldn't come as a surprise.

You would think that, but Phillip Morris and Altria would give their cancerous right tentacles to get marijuana legalized. It would give them a new, profitable use for the umpteen brazillion acres of former tobacco land they own in and around Durham. Plus, already has an installed user base and less of a health stigma than tobacco. Win/win.

"Hey, man, we're out of papers."
"All right. Then get me a toilet paper roll, a corkscrew and some tin foil."
"We don't have a corkscrew."
"Then get me an avocado, an ice pick and my snorkel. Trust me, bro. I've made bongs with less. Hurry up!"

/obvious

Stupid Floppy Clownshoes: The government will try to tax things they think are bad for you.

Anyone have a good experience with buying a bong online?

Five Frozen Fish Fingers: Anyone have a good experience with buying a bong online?

Just visit a local flea market.

Thats the ugliest damn bong I've ever seen.

Does everyone here know how mind-numbingly easy it is to make a bong? Good.



They should put a tax on people who suggest stupid laws.

phillydrifter: Does everyone here know how mind-numbingly easy it is to make a bong? Good.



They should put a tax on people who suggest stupid laws.

Back in my day we used a trumpet mouthpiece, 5 pieces of bubblegum, and a two liter bottle. But that was years, and years ago.

Five Frozen Fish Fingers: Anyone have a good experience with buying a bong online?

Not tommy chong

For Fark's sake, just legalize it already.

Twenty states already have this idiotic marijuana tax stamp law on the books. How those states can collect tax revenue on something that's illegal is something they don't have to explain, apparently.

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phillydrifter: Does everyone here know how mind-numbingly easy it is to make a bong? Good.

I wasn't much of a smoker, but I would partake from time to time. I made 1 out of a 2 liter bottle and a huge stock pot for my roommate.
He talked me into 1 hit, then I had to go to work. My boss thought I was sick and sent me home.
/good times

Mr. Muse, we are not amused.

phillydrifter: Does everyone here know how mind-numbingly easy it is to make a bong? Good.



They should put a tax on people who suggest stupid laws.


it's a trade secret... Damn now they're gonna tax gatorade and rubberbands

pot is fun

NutWrench: Twenty states already have this idiotic marijuana tax stamp law on the books.

Not only that, but they needed a Constitutional amendment to outlaw alcohol back in 1929, and then another to repeal the first one, but I don't see any Constitutional amendments on the books outright banning cocaine, cannabis, opium, shrooms... (That's how they 'outlawed' it, they made it necessary to have a stamp to legally acquire or possess it, then they made the price of the stamp outrageous so no one in their right mind would buy one. I wonder what would happen if i wrote to the PA legislature and requested a cannabis stamp what would happen.)


price went up a lot since I bought it from half.com (I got it for $14)

Or read two (totally free) primers (and how i found out about it in the first place:

The Forbidden Fruit and the Tree of Knowledge: An Inquiry into the legal history of American Marijuana Prohibition

The History of the Non-Medical Use of Drugs in the United States

Jim_CallahanTo be fair, the justification for tobacco taxes is usually the cost to the public health system, so if you're going to tax cigarettes I don't see why you wouldn't tax pipes. Even if they're used for marijuana, they still cause a lot of the same chronic health problems.

Uh excuse me, let's pretend for a minute that the pipes in question are going to be used for tobacco. The tobacco that you'd put in the pipe HAS ALREADY BEEN TAXED! In addition to sales tax, you'd be levying a second tax on tobacco via this route. If your purpose is to tax marijuana to recoup the costs associated with health care due to smoking weed, a one time tax isn't going to help much. You should tax the marijuana instead.

Taxing the implements used to smoke weed is silly because outside of regular rolling papers people don't usually buy pipes/bongs/etc very often (although this is a college town, so I'd imagine they have a pretty decent turnover in customer base every year.

At worst(best?), this will close down the shops selling the pipes in turn losing sales tax revenue for the state, and people will get a pre-paid visa and buy one online or cross the border. The ones that do manage to stay open probably won't enforce a proper registry. I.P.Freely will be registered as owning quite a few pieces.

Let's tax and outlaw everything people use to alter their perceptions. When they find new and different ways of getting high, we'll outlaw that as well.

Someone should do a study to see how many pieces of garbage Legislation Bills one has to smoke to achieve a great buzz, and maybe they'll outlaw that and we won't have this nonsense anymore.

Bong hits taxes for Jesus!

TennesseeTuxedo: Let's tax and outlaw everything people use to alter their perceptions.

You want to tax TV?!?

:)

kaybee37: vincentpriceisdead: Pff, I'll just keeping making them out of small trash cans and 2 liter bottles.. or apples.. or whatever's lying around.

This guys head would make an EXCELLENT BONG!

thats no dude...

I wonder what would happen if he proposed a $20 tax on bullets...

It's nice to see that Mr. Muse has solved all of Maryland's other problems, ain't it?

I'm a wake & baker, so I'm getting a kick out of not living in Maryland.

/Still the best thing about Oregon.

madmann: I'm a wake & baker, so I'm getting a kick out of not living in Maryland.

/Still the best thing about Oregon.

Thank God I'll be moving there soon.

GregaPress: I wonder what would happen if he proposed a $20 tax on bullets...

Or guns even. Good point. Marijuana prohibition is an outrage!

Holy shiat people, this guy wants to record your ID when you make a purchase and you're worried about the farking tax? Read this:

Taxes and records will create a paper trail that he hopes will eventually draw manufacturers and retailers out of the smoke to discuss what the devices are really used for.

"My contention," Muse said, "is that it is no more than drug paraphernalia - not tobacco paraphernalia."

If approved in hearings next month, the additional tax revenue would add to the state's health fund for children and could bud into hearings that will redefine tobacco paraphernalia as illegal, Muse said.

This guy wants to go back into the records when you get arrested for drug use and prove that you didn't buy this for tobacco. Enough evidence of that and he gets to prove that it isn't even intended for tobacco. Read that again. He's trolling for evidence and he's already using the "think of the children" angle.

Note: the tax is not to raise money. It's so they can seriously prosecute stores for failing to record the sale. Instead of a minor quibble, it becomes tax fraud or something.

Hey dumbass, you said you wanted to target "Kids going into gas stations in my neighborhood, ... and buying not only bongs, but screens for the rocks with the picture of marijuana". Why don't you add fines on stores that sell to minors and police it the same way you police alcohol sales? Well it's because he personally wants it to be illegal. "I'd like to have it outlawed completely," the senator added.

If you live in Maryland, call this mutherfarker on it, and get your other senators to realize how full of crap this is. He's not solving the problem. Call the local news and explain how he's failing to solve the problem, and how simple the solution is. They already use underage people here to go buy alcohol with fake or no IDs, and bust the place if a sale happens. They do the same with cigarettes. Just do some enforcement here and there and the problem will go away, not completely but much more so than with your idiot bill.

If you cut off the legal market, where you can control what age people can buy stuff, you make an illegal market where you can't control it.