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(Telegraph) Interesting If you know who else lost a fleet of three German U-boats in the Black Sea during World War II, tell him they've been found   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 55
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T.M.S. [TotalFark] 2008-02-02 11:57:40 PM  
Incredibly cool.

Here is some video I shot of a less fortunate U-Boat crew.

Link (new window)

Yes, those are human remains inside.

 
Rusty Shackleford [TotalFark] 2008-02-03 12:04:23 AM  
www.islandnet.com

/Yes, I know it's a WWI poster, but it's still a striking image.

 
xlbrooklyn [TotalFark] 2008-02-03 12:18:46 AM  
FTFA:
Mike Williams, secretary of the Nautical Archaeology Society, said: "This is a significant find because these U-boats were all scuttled, so they should be intact, like a sealed tube. They are unique survivors of the war."

From a dictinary:
scuttle: -verb (used with object)
3.to sink (a vessel) deliberately by opening seacocks or making openings in the bottom.

Sealed? Not hardly.

 
T.M.S. [TotalFark] 2008-02-03 12:26:37 AM  
xlbrooklyn: FTFA:
Mike Williams, secretary of the Nautical Archaeology Society, said: "This is a significant find because these U-boats were all scuttled, so they should be intact, like a sealed tube. They are unique survivors of the war."

From a dictinary:
scuttle: -verb (used with object)
3.to sink (a vessel) deliberately by opening seacocks or making openings in the bottom.

Sealed? Not hardly.


True but almost all U-Boats underwater have really huge holes in them. These suffered no war damage.

Also, they could have blown the ballast tanks and sunk the subs without allowing water to enter. (Although I don't know how you would do that and still escape)

 
kmmontandon [TotalFark] 2008-02-03 12:29:51 AM  
T.M.S.:
Also, they could have blown the ballast tanks and sunk the subs without allowing water to enter. (Although I don't know how you would do that and still escape)


By doing it while you were still on the surface.

More importantly, German crews wouldn't have done this, as it would have preserve documents and equipment better left to immersion in seawater.

I suspect that the good condition of the three is purely relative.

 
oldebayer [TotalFark] 2008-02-03 12:33:49 AM  
Is three a fleet? I thought it was a crowd.

 
T.M.S. [TotalFark] 2008-02-03 12:38:55 AM  
kmmontandon: T.M.S.:
Also, they could have blown the ballast tanks and sunk the subs without allowing water to enter. (Although I don't know how you would do that and still escape)

By doing it while you were still on the surface.

More importantly, German crews wouldn't have done this, as it would have preserve documents and equipment better left to immersion in seawater.

I suspect that the good condition of the three is purely relative.


Of course on the surface but you would still have to get out of a sinking sub alive.

The rest I agree with.

 
nobozo 2008-02-03 02:24:02 AM  
oldebayer: Is three a fleet?
I thought it was a crowd.


I thought three's a charm.

 
SingaporeSling [TotalFark] 2008-02-03 03:01:18 AM  
No, three's company.

 
Eutamias21 [TotalFark] 2008-02-03 03:26:05 AM  
Or "her," subby, or "her."

 
Mr Logo 2008-02-03 03:29:17 AM  
subby, I think he died a while back

 
nativefloridian 2008-02-03 03:36:42 AM  
img144.imageshack.us
/just thought I'd share

 
blazemongr 2008-02-03 03:38:50 AM  
You're telling me you lost another submarine?

Also: lost WWII weaponry trifecta now in effect.

 
The Gordie Howe Hat Trick 2008-02-03 03:39:38 AM  
img148.imageshack.us

Approves.

 
Hector Remarkable 2008-02-03 03:40:05 AM  
nativefloridian: /just thought I'd share

Very nice.

 
tehotherbilly 2008-02-03 03:45:01 AM  
Now if we could raise the Yamoto we could finally deal with those pesky aliens by going to Iskandar.

 
nativefloridian 2008-02-03 03:45:47 AM  
Hector Remarkable: Very nice.

Wish I could take credit for it...but it gave me a good laugh, so I snagged it.

/Hell, I wish I even knew how to make .gifs

 
Feldspar Q. Walrustitty 2008-02-03 03:47:22 AM  
Karl-Heinz Guderian?

Field Marshal Keitel?

Am I getting warm?

 
Chief_Otto_Parts 2008-02-03 03:51:05 AM  
xlbrooklyn: seacocks

 
girljen 2008-02-03 03:55:34 AM  
+1! I lawled, both at subby and nativefloridian.

 
Hector Remarkable 2008-02-03 03:57:41 AM  
Maybe submitter is implying that Hitler has been cloned and is now available for updates?

/You know who else escaped to Brazil and was cloned? No, wait....

 
CarrieWhite 2008-02-03 04:09:48 AM  
Urgh..U-boats. Those weren't good odds at coming back alive.

 
RoyBatty 2008-02-03 04:09:58 AM  
T.M.S.: Incredibly cool.

Here is some video I shot of a less fortunate U-Boat crew.


That's a pretty interesting video. If you want to make it better, around 1:45, right when you pass by what seems to be a long whitened bone, you should have a zombie corpse thingy jump into frame and should AIEEEEEE!

You could probably kill people if you do that right.

 
goofoffgoose 2008-02-03 04:19:16 AM  
T.M.S.: Yes, those are human remains inside.

Wow, that must be an amazing dive. Also, please pardon my idiocy, but was that long whitened bone thingy mentioned above indeed a bone? Were there any actual bodies left, or was it mostly bones scattered about?

 
One F Jef 2008-02-03 04:32:11 AM  
goofoffgoose: T.M.S.: Yes, those are human remains inside.

Wow, that must be an amazing dive. Also, please pardon my idiocy, but was that long whitened bone thingy mentioned above indeed a bone? Were there any actual bodies left, or was it mostly bones scattered about?


Do you really think a human body would remain intact over 70 years underwater, in salt water, surrounded by scavenger animals?

 
ssrat 2008-02-03 04:39:58 AM  
T.M.S.: Incredibly cool.

Here is some video I shot of a less fortunate U-Boat crew.

Link (new window)

Yes, those are human remains inside.


I'm a little surprised at that, I don't think I have ever seen anything else with remains in them on any of the underwater TV dives (His/Disc.NG etc.)
I know none of the Bermuda stuff, planes especially has any, is it the coldness of the water perchance? is it near anything natural (cave,gas,trench etc.?)

 
Wolframkerngeschoss [TotalFark] 2008-02-03 04:49:18 AM  
CarrieWhite: Urgh..U-boats. Those weren't good odds at coming back alive.

My grandpa wanted to become an U-Boot sailor in WWII, but as the Tommys were sinking them faster and faster, he helped build the V rockets instead. I might not be around otherwise.

/strange thought

 
some_beer_drinker 2008-02-03 05:02:43 AM  
open the seacocks wide boys, we're going all the way down!

aaaarrrrrrrrrr!!!!!

 
Phil Moskowitz 2008-02-03 05:06:27 AM  
THOOOMMMMSONNNN!

 
mongbiohazard 2008-02-03 05:12:36 AM  
ssrat: I'm a little surprised at that, I don't think I have ever seen anything else with remains in them on any of the underwater TV dives (His/Disc.NG etc.)


Any show you ever see on television - about anything - is heavily edited. I'd expect they would edit out footage of human remains, or at least not point it out when it's in the background, so you wouldn't necessarily pick it out.

 
One F Jef 2008-02-03 05:13:35 AM  
ssrat: T.M.S.: Incredibly cool.

Here is some video I shot of a less fortunate U-Boat crew.

Link (new window)

Yes, those are human remains inside.

I'm a little surprised at that, I don't think I have ever seen anything else with remains in them on any of the underwater TV dives (His/Disc.NG etc.)
I know none of the Bermuda stuff, planes especially has any, is it the coldness of the water perchance? is it near anything natural (cave,gas,trench etc.?)


Open ocean wrecks have occupants scattered by underwater currents. Those sailors in the u-boats were enclosed when they went down, so, barring a catastrophic hull rip or being ripped/blown in half, it's unlikely that the remains would get out of a largely enclosed space like that.

 
Bagelox-99 2008-02-03 06:09:44 AM  
I dunno, but three aircraft constitute a flight.

 
djtodd 2008-02-03 07:18:35 AM  
Das Boot references FTW!

 
scotty425 2008-02-03 07:56:18 AM  
kntgsp: Three ships constitutes a fleet?

I think a group of submarines operating together is called a "wolfpack".

/At least I think that's what the Germans called them.
//Interesting article

 
PortWineBoy 2008-02-03 08:04:04 AM  
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madmann [TotalFark] 2008-02-03 09:58:03 AM  
scotty425: kntgsp: Three ships constitutes a fleet?

I think a group of submarines operating together is called a "wolfpack".

/At least I think that's what the Germans called them.
//Interesting article


I thought three tubes full of seamen was called "Saturday Night With Paris Hilton"..... Hmmmm...

 
planes 2008-02-03 10:47:11 AM  
I think those 3 subs would be a "wolf pack", maybe, not a "fleet".

 
Mad Mark 2008-02-03 10:47:42 AM  
Interesting article.
I like the link to the "German pupils given Holocaust comic book" at the bottom. Comedy gold Klaus!

 
noit 2008-02-03 11:24:07 AM  
Perhaps the word fleet is used because they were the entire naval presence in that sea.

 
aracnop [TotalFark] 2008-02-03 12:00:53 PM  
madmann: scotty425: kntgsp: Three ships constitutes a fleet?

I think a group of submarines operating together is called a "wolfpack".

/At least I think that's what the Germans called them.
//Interesting article

I thought three tubes full of seamen was called "Saturday Night With Paris Hilton"..... Hmmmm...


ROFL nicely done

 
TheGreyPiper 2008-02-03 12:36:08 PM  
nativefloridian: /just thought I'd share

OMG that's the funniest thing I've seen on here in ages!

 
T.M.S. [TotalFark] 2008-02-03 01:17:20 PM  
ssrat:

I'm a little surprised at that, I don't think I have ever seen anything else with remains in them on any of the underwater TV dives (His/Disc.NG etc.)
I know none of the Bermuda stuff, planes especially has any, is it the coldness of the water perchance? is it near anything natural (cave,gas,trench etc.?)


One F Jef:

Open ocean wrecks have occupants scattered by underwater currents. Those sailors in the u-boats were enclosed when they went down, so, barring a catastrophic hull rip or being ripped/blown in half, it's unlikely that the remains would get out of a largely enclosed space like that.


The great majority of shipwrecks that people dive in the Bahamas and other warm water vacation destinations are not really what I would call shipwrecks. Those sites were deliberately sunk in order to create a tourist attraction. Therefore no one was (hopefully) on board when it went down.

99.9% of the shipwrecks in cold water locations went down due to war, weather or collision. Therefore in many cases passengers and crew were still on board.

Most of the dive shows on tv that feature technical level diving will avoid showing the bones and skulls that are found inside. I guess the figure that would be a turn off for the audience.

 
HowlingPook 2008-02-03 01:20:32 PM  
When I was stationed in Greece, one of our scuba check dives was swimming a mile underwater into a harbor owned by Dow Chemical and retrieving an item from a WWII U-boat that had been scuttled during the war. When the German Navy left Greece, this boat was apparently broke so they towed it into the harbor deep water and sunk it. You had to carry an extra air tank and do a ditch and dawn maneuver to enter the sub. Good times.

 
BasqueBastard 2008-02-03 01:41:29 PM  
You know...Schnellboots (similar to our PT Boats) would have been MUCH easier (and cheaper) to get there! Link (new window)

 
T.M.S. [TotalFark] 2008-02-03 02:00:00 PM  
HowlingPook: When I was stationed in Greece, one of our scuba check dives was swimming a mile underwater into a harbor owned by Dow Chemical and retrieving an item from a WWII U-boat that had been scuttled during the war. When the German Navy left Greece, this boat was apparently broke so they towed it into the harbor deep water and sunk it. You had to carry an extra air tank and do a ditch and dawn maneuver to enter the sub. Good times.

You did a mile long swim into "deep water" with stages, were able navigate well enough to find a sunken sub, did a full penetration, object recovery, gas switch and swam a mile back?

I never heard of anyone swimming a mile underwater on open circuit (your sac rate must be the lowest in recorded history) but a U-Boat penetration after such a swim would be pretty ballsy.

What mix were you using that you did not tox out during the swim alone?

 
ComicBookGuy 2008-02-03 02:47:13 PM  
Link (new window)

Only six boats for the 30th Flotilla.

 
ComicBookGuy 2008-02-03 02:56:27 PM  
ssrat: T.M.S.: Incredibly cool.

Here is some video I shot of a less fortunate U-Boat crew.

Link (new window)

Yes, those are human remains inside.

I'm a little surprised at that, I don't think I have ever seen anything else with remains in them on any of the underwater TV dives (His/Disc.NG etc.)
I know none of the Bermuda stuff, planes especially has any, is it the coldness of the water perchance? is it near anything natural (cave,gas,trench etc.?)


Ever see "Trauma: Life In The E.R."? You see all sorts of graphic nastiness, but one thing is missing: all the things that are found in the assholes of gays that need to be removed. I knew someone who worked at a big city E.R., and apparently they came in w/regularity, but you never see it on that show.

 
ComicBookGuy 2008-02-03 02:57:28 PM  
phukitol: they didnt call em eisensarge (iron coffins) for nothin.

80% death rate for uboat crew....still better than getting sent to siege leningrad tho.


Statistically, you still had a better chance of surviving on the eastern front.

 
T.M.S. [TotalFark] 2008-02-03 03:25:58 PM  
phukitol: they didnt call em eisensarge (iron coffins) for nothin.

80% death rate for uboat crew....still better than getting sent to siege leningrad tho.


Depends largely on what time in the war you were a sailor.

The U-Boat crews called the early part of WWII the "Happy time" because the US had not started fighting back effectively yet.

When we did gather up the equipment, manpower and knowledge to sink German subs the chance of dying in one became about 75%.

On an historical note the Submarine from my video posted above (U-853) was the last to be sunk and went down after the war. One theory is that the Captain refused to give up.

 
T.M.S. [TotalFark] 2008-02-03 04:44:18 PM  
phukitol: T.M.S.: phukitol: they didnt call em eisensarge (iron coffins) for nothin.

80% death rate for uboat crew....still better than getting sent to siege leningrad tho.

Depends largely on what time in the war you were a sailor.

The U-Boat crews called the early part of WWII the "Happy time" because the US had not started fighting back effectively yet.

When we did gather up the equipment, manpower and knowledge to sink German subs the chance of dying in one became about 75%.

On an historical note the Submarine from my video posted above (U-853) was the last to be sunk and went down after the war. One theory is that the Captain refused to give up.

i seem to recall the appalling deathrate as being the fact that they kept getting sent out over and over until they were dead.

sorta like the bomber crews in catch 22:

help the bombardier...I am the bombardier! then help him, help him!


Most U-Boat crews were exactly like Snowden. Children.

Even the Captains were only early 20's.

A hard core veteran was someone with a single completed mission.

Plus, conditions onboard were so awful they would have been only too happy to eat chocolate covered cotton.

 
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