It's pretty amazing. People are starting to realize that the time factor is working for Obama. If he can get out of Super Tuesday within earshot of Hillary, the states after Tuesday are really in his favor.

DamnYankees:

Agreed.

Doubly so because as Iowa and SC proved, people really get scared of Hillary when it looks like she will actually win.

So, 8 farking years of GWB finally got the attention of Idaho? I'm feeling strangely euphoric?

I feel that Obama is the healing force that the US needs. That may sound like bullshiat, but I think he would be good for the country as a whole after 8 years of the corrosive Bush administration.

If only he had a few more weeks before Super Tuesday.... shiat would be locked up.

Finally, there is hope.

Republicans for Obama (p).

Catch the fever!

Jimmy Carter had many supporters and a similar message.
Look what it got us.

ndotseth [TotalFark] Quote 2008-02-02 08:04:38 PM
Jimmy CarterJFK, Ronald Reagan and FDR had many supporters and a similar message.
Look what it got us.

Where did it get us, three of hte best presidents in history?

Welcome aboard, Idaho!

/YES WE CAN

i find that the people who biatch about jimmy carter are usually too young to know anything about "anything".

-case in point...ndotseth.

it is not a black and white world.

i wonder if these people research any of the facts or just drool their drivel at will.

wildrufus: Finally, there is hope

That we can have the same old crap, but with prettier speeches.

Yay, hope!

7of7: I feel that Obama is the healing force that the US needs.

Yeah, because the primary role of President is as our spiritual leader and "healer". Heck, let's just elect Dr. Phil!

7of7: That may sound like bullshiat

Probably because it is.

7of7: but I think he would be good for the country as a whole after 8 years of the corrosive Bush administration

I hate to break it to you, but Bush has only been "corrosive" in that touchy-feely national-unity sort of way since his approval ratings have plummeted. His approval ratings ranked with, sometimes even exceeded, some of the most popular Presidents in history when he was doing all his real damage with things like the PATRIOT Act (which Obama voted to renew) and invading Iraq (which Obama has not voted to end).

Bauer: i find that the people who biatch about jimmy carter are usually too young to know anything about "anything".

Yeah, like all the people that biatched him right out of office in 1980. I'm sure they were just too young to remember anything that had happened during the preceding four years.

Yes We Can (p). GOBAMA

curmudge: Yes We Can

Churchill2004: Bauer: i find that the people who biatch about jimmy carter are usually too young to know anything about "anything".

Yeah, like all the people that biatched him right out of office in 1980. I'm sure they were just too young to remember anything that had happened during the preceding four years.

Boy, I am sure glad you used all those facts to help your argument. Face it, you're part of the old guard and you're scared. Prepare to be Obamanated.

I love watching the fark "conservatives try to poo-poo this as their party implodes on itself.

/Proud delegate for Obama
//YES WE CAN (With or without you)

cameroncrazy1984: Churchill2004: Bauer: i find that the people who biatch about jimmy carter are usually too young to know anything about "anything".

Yeah, like all the people that biatched him right out of office in 1980. I'm sure they were just too young to remember anything that had happened during the preceding four years.

Boy, I am sure glad you used all those facts to help your argument. Face it, you're part of the old guard and you're scared. Prepare to be Obamanated.

Dude, he's just bitter about Ron Paul not going anywhere, as I've found most Paul People are kinda bitter and jealous of the following Obama's gained. You know, a "why not our guy" type thing.

When I joined my.barackobama.com a little under a year ago when the website was launched, everyone there was hopeful but unsure that we could break Obama's message into the average "we don't care about politics home". A year later everyone knows who Obama is, what he stands for, and they are catching on to what he could mean for our country. It's truly inspiring.

cameroncrazy1984: Boy, I am sure glad you used all those facts to help your argument.

You mean the fact that Carter lost re-election in a landslide? That would seem to be a pretty good factual counterpoint to your claim that only people who are too young to remember/have been born yet when he was President don't like him.

robsul82: Dude, he's just bitter about Ron Paul not going anywhere

Not at all. I'm more than satisfied with what Paul has accomplished even if he dropped out tomorrow.

You know, it could just be that I'm commenting on what I find to be worrying trends amongst the people trying to select the guy who'll have a fair amount of (wholly unwanted) influence over my life.

I miss Jimmy Carter. He was an awesome president and continues to be an awesome human being. He was set up before he could really shift the powerbase back to the people but he did introduce the idea of energy conservation and accomplished a lot of amazing things.

robsul82: Dude, he's just bitter about Ron Paul not going anywhere, as I've found most Paul People are kinda bitter and jealous of the following Obama's gained. You know, a "why not our guy" type thing.

Do you find statements like these attract former Paul supporters to the Obama cause? Because even if a few percentage points doesn't matter, you'd think the money they are willing to donate would.

Obama is the only Democratic candidate who has offices in Idaho. Even then, he has only visited once.

Idaho is a foregone conclusion - it will go Republican - always - and probably for Mitt Romney.

Churchill2004: I'm sure they were just too young to remember anything that had happened during the preceding four years.

Or the next 8 years...

The Reagan administration was a disaster.

dandelion whine: Obama is the only Democratic candidate who has offices in Idaho. Even then, he has only visited once.

Idaho is a foregone conclusion - it will go Republican - always - and probably for Mitt Romney.

Here in Minneapolis they filled the Target Center for an Obama speech this afternoon with 10k more in he waiting list to get in.

Tonight there is a Romney event...they are hoping to draw 200.

Tomorrow, Hillary is due at a local college...there is no way she is going to draw anywhere near 25k to hear her speak...

The real problem in getting Obama the nod isn't how he's polling. It's how McCain's polling. If it looks like Romney's too far ahead independents that could really go either way are going to rally behind McCain, becuase for some reason he's the second best running right now. If McCain's got a comfortable lead independents will flood in to make sure Hillary can't possibly get near the White House.

Of course it's concievable now that they'll be worried enough about Hillary to just vote Obama and be as sure as possible no matter who's ahead with Republicans.

/gObama

The Onanist: The Reagan administration was a disaster.

So? I wasn't arguing in favor of Reagan. If I'd voted in 1980, it would have been for Ed Clark.

I was simply pointing out that it's blatantly incorrect to say that the only people who dislike Carter weren't around at the time- because people didn't like him at the time, either.

The Onanist: Churchill2004: I'm sure they were just too young to remember anything that had happened during the preceding four years.

Or the next 8 years...

The Reagan administration was a disaster.

I was born in 1984 and the earliest thing I can remember as far as politics goes is a skit on SNL that depicted a debate between Clinton, Bush, and Perot. I don't think I actually made it a point to pay attention to politics till late into Clinton's second term.

well, as long as they all go to caucus for him, great. otherwise, they might have just had nothing better to do on some afternoon than hear him talk

This is really impressive, Obama could have just stayed in California or Massachusetts, but he chose to go to a state that no one cares about and attracts 15,000 people. This is the type of President we need, someone who unites all factions, regardless of political identity. He doesn't need to win Super Tuesday, just get close enough and win the remaining states

/baby boomers can go and fark themselves, the new guard is in town

Got back from the St. Louis Obama rally about 10 minutes ago. Third speech of the day for the guy and he was going strong as ever.

There must have been 20,000 people there.

Churchill2004: Yeah, like all the people that biatched him right out of office in 1980. I'm sure they were just too young to remember anything that had happened during the preceding four years.

I think he was referring to the people who weren't old enough to know about, let alone understand, what lead up to Carter's economic and domestic issues (the root causes of which started almost a decade before he even took office) and then voted him out of office just because it was what everyone else was doing.

Then you've got the people who were old enough yet couldn't be bothered to learn anything about what was going on because they were too busy biatching about there were only crappy reruns on the teley again.

I think I like Obama the best of all these clowns and I'm a registered Republican. Hillary and McCain mean the same 'ol same 'ol.

After Ron Paul's showing in Florida I heard from his supporters he only did so poorly because he was campaigning in Maine...they said he'd probably win Maine. Can someone tell me if Ron Paul won Maine or how he did in Maine

SeismicJizzer: This is really impressive, Obama could have just stayed in California or Massachusetts, but he chose to go to a state that no one cares about and attracts 15,000 people. This is the type of President we need, someone who unites all factions, regardless of political identity. He doesn't need to win Super Tuesday, just get close enough and win the remaining states

/baby boomers can go and fark themselves, the new guard is in town

THIS

Age war is on, folks. If you're over 50, get on the Obama train or get the fark out of our way. You've had a generation or two to screw up our nation, culminating in the clusterfark that was the last eight years. You have two options: fight us until you die (soon), or redeem some of your tarnished legacy by doing the right thing. I hope you'll make the right choice.

Murkanen: I think he was referring to the people who weren't old enough to know about, let alone understand, what lead up to Carter's economic and domestic issues (the root causes of which started almost a decade before he even took office) and then voted him out of office just because it was what everyone else was doing

Looked to me like he was saying the most of the people who dislike Carter weren't around at the time. Which would make sense if he wasn't a wildly unpopular President at the time.

Is Idaho a super tuesday state? if so, more delgates for obama!

/gobama
//only politician I've ever campaigned/donated to.

Occam's Chainsaw: Age war is on, folks. If you're over 50, get on the Obama train or get the fark out of our way. You've had a generation or two to screw up our nation, culminating in the clusterfark that was the last eight years. You have two options: fight us until you die (soon), or redeem some of your tarnished legacy by doing the right thing. I hope you'll make the right choice


Step aside! We're going to take the exact same policies, slap them on a younger guy with a better public persona, and declare it "change"!

Churchill2004:

You know, the fact that you turn every single presidential thread into a glorification of He Who Shall Not Be Named does more to turn people off from Him than any reasonable argument could ever do. Grats on that.

chard well, as long as they all go to caucus for him, great. otherwise, they might have just had nothing better to do on some afternoon than hear him talk

Not quite. Speech was at 8:30, doors opened at 7:00. People were lining up at 4:00am and if you think standing outdoors in Idaho in February at 4:00am is fun, you've never tried it. Plus, on top of the 15,000 they turned away a couple thousand at the door... simply couldn't fit them in.

7:00am on a Saturday morning in order to get close enough to even see the door, much less get through it. These people had other things they could be doing. It was impressive.

Churchill2004: Step aside! We're going to take the exact same policies, slap them on a younger guy with a better public persona, and declare it "change"!

I'm enthusiastic about Obama, and I certainly won't cry if the boomers lose power, but...

Even if Obama is 100% legit, the system won't change easily. For every 1000 enthusiastic Obama supporters there's one very powerful person who will fight to maintain the status quo. While I think Obama can point this country in the right direction and maybe pull us back from the brink of hyperpartisanship, it's not going to be all puppies and sunshine.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

ndotseth: Jimmy Carter had many supporters and a similar message.
Look what it got us.

Cynical doubters like you?

Churchill2004: wildrufus: Finally, there is hope

That we can have the same old crap, but with prettier speeches.

Yay, hope!

7of7: I feel that Obama is the healing force that the US needs.

Yeah, because the primary role of President is as our spiritual leader and "healer". Heck, let's just elect Dr. Phil!

7of7: That may sound like bullshiat

Probably because it is.

7of7: but I think he would be good for the country as a whole after 8 years of the corrosive Bush administration

I hate to break it to you, but Bush has only been "corrosive" in that touchy-feely national-unity sort of way since his approval ratings have plummeted. His approval ratings ranked with, sometimes even exceeded, some of the most popular Presidents in history when he was doing all his real damage with things like the PATRIOT Act (which Obama voted to renew) and invading Iraq (which Obama has not voted to end).

Hey, look, it's Churchill to remind us that since no one wants to talk about his candidate (Ron Paul) he'll come in to the Obama threads and try to drag Obama down instead.

Thanks, Churchill! You are such a servant of the people.

Obama deniers need to have some joint meetings with global warming and Holocaust deniers.

Oh, and Simon Peter.


They should have a lot to talk about.

Churchill2004: Step aside! We're going to take the exact same policies, slap them on a younger guy with a better public persona, and declare it "change"!

If by "exact same policies" you mean inclusion, rational discourse, and consensus through positivity instead of control through fear, I'd like to know which planet you've been visiting as of late.

I don't for a minute believe that Obama's espousing any radical new policy that's never been seen before, but the political methodology alone is enough to warrant giving the man the benefit of the doubt.

Besides, Obama is just the tip of the iceberg. Getting young people pist off enough to participate in the political process is the end goal. We want real change, and not just platitudes of change? Then removing control from the status quo is priority #1.

This story was red-lit this morning, but I think it needs to be shared around
:Barack Obama: "I think the war on drugs has been a failure, and I think we need to rethink and decriminalize our marijuana laws." (new window)

yep... just another business as usual candidate

I'd just to point out to all the whiners that they're the ones trying to make the thread about Ron Paul, not me. If you want to talk about him I'd be more than happy to do so in a thread about Ron Paul.

Lando Lincoln: Hey, look, it's Churchill to remind us that since no one wants to talk about his candidate (Ron Paul) he'll come in to the Obama threads and try to drag Obama down instead.

Yeah, because it's impossible to both support one candidate and criticize another.

I find it particularly amusing that your post quotes both me and 7of7- who is rarely missed in a Ron Paul thread.

Occam's Chainsaw: If by "exact same policies" you mean inclusion, rational discourse, and consensus through positivity instead of control through fear

Those aren't policies. Those are meaningless talking points.

Occam's Chainsaw: I don't for a minute believe that Obama's espousing any radical new policy that's never been seen before

Obama's not espousing any new policy, period.

Occam's Chainsaw: but the political methodology alone is enough to warrant giving the man the benefit of the doubt.

His "political methodology" is nothing more than his carefully crafted public persona. In case you haven't noticed, every candidate talks about that crap. Obama's just the better orator and has the better carefully crafted public persona.

Occam's Chainsaw: Getting young people pist off enough to participate in the political process is the end goal.

Yeah, except that Obama hasn't been getting young people to the polls in greater numbers. In the general election in 2004, 18-29 year olds were about 17% of the vote. In the SC primary it was 14%.

Occam's Chainsaw: We want real change, and not just platitudes of change? Then removing control from the status quo is priority #1.

I think you're missing a key point- "don't find a candidate who says he'll do the same thing as the status quo." Making you feel warm and fuzzy isn't "real change".

"baby boomers can go and fark themselves, the new guard is in town"
"Age war is on, folks. If you're over 50, get on the Obama train or get the fark out of our way."

Grow the fark up, kiddies. Some of us oldsters were trying hard to keep the Reagan-Bush-oil corp-Saudi Puppets out of power, in Reagan's case, voting against his puppet ass before some of you were born.
I decided to vote for Obama because after the spectacle of Bill buddying up to Dubya's dad, plus with the constant trumpeting of the right wing smear machine on Hillary, I figured the best thing to do was go with someone outside the arena. Barack fills that requirement nicely.
So grow up and back off on the ageist comments, it's going to take all of us, young AND old, to get Obama into the White House instead of yet another right wing puppet.