I once got the chance to mouth 'You farking liar' to Tony Blair through his armoured car window. He was an asshole, but he's nothing compared to that bunch of retards and criminals that's running America.
Point of order: No, we didn't all fall for it. We always knew it was about oil. we just got shouted down by the warmongers.

Mission Accomplished?

submitter: We fell for it. Hook, line and sinker

Gerry
480 cubic yards of rock have been moved so far. Now, that's 10 times the Hoover Dam. Right now, there's 516 feet of rock above our head. This part is phase 3 of tunnel 3. It began back
in 1954, but the construction didn't begin until June 1970. You know what the most interesting part of tunnel 3 is?

John
What's that Gerry?

Gerry
The valves.

well at least now we know where they'll get the money to fund social security for a couple more years.

We fell for it. Hook, line and sinker

What's all this "we" crap?

Approves.

/I know, ThatGuyGreg beat me to it

Weaver95: well at least now we know where they'll get the money to fund social security security for their gated retirement compounds for a couple more years.

Operation Iraqi Liberation, anyone?

Hey guys, remember when the war was supposed to pay for itself?

Heh heh, good times.

Well since they don't believe in earning interest -I suppose they'll have to start saving.

Who fell for what now?

Great. Now the drum-beaters and trumpet-blowers can stop calling us "cowardly, traitorous terrorist sympathizers" and start calling us "smug, self-righteous intellectuals".

That's what they do after it turns out we were right all along.

I once got the chance to mouth 'You farking liar' to Tony Blair through his armoured car window.

Oh WOW man, you are like, totally AWESOME.

but it's the "Federal" Reserve, so it belongs to the government and the people, right?

/hah, just kidding

Now we just need to know how much is in there, and who exactly has access to it.

In order to take Iraq's once nationalised oil fields and make them a part of Big Oil's preserve officially this step has been taken deliberately. The surge was supposed to provide the political process time to sign a profit sharing agreement who's real purpose was to denationalise the oil and every other aspect of the Iraqi economy. The reason the Iraqi government doesn't want to sell out their birthright for a bowl of lukewarm porridge is obvious. They hope they can outwait the invader/occupiers and won't have to. Little do they know that War Eternal ^TM is on their horizon. When that grim realistation sinks in it's game on again.

Sad thing is, you still encounter slow witted neanderfarks in blogworld who will insist that this war was never about oil and still isn't. Apparently, they never got the memo that states that every move the west has made in this region since WWII including the very borders of the countries themselves, replacing Iran's Mossadegh with the despotic Shah in a CIA coup, providing WMD to Saddam the dictator and suporting him through the worst of his atrocities, selling arms to both sides in the Iraq/Iran war etc etc ad nauseum has been totally about the oil in the region which have been defined as being neccessary "national interests" to both the UK and the US.

Wombatzu: but it's the "Federal" Reserve, so it belongs to the government and the people, right?

/hah, just kidding

I, for one, am tired of my tax dollars being spent on inefficient shipping via the Federal Express.

Wolfowitz assured the House Budget Committee before the war, would alone pay for the country's reconstruction

/goyim believe pretty much anything....the fools...does my hair look okay?

Haliburton will get it all before Cheney leaves office.

Don't forget: war is good for the economy.

/been a while since I've heard that gem. What happened?

So it turns out the war supporters were flat-out wrong and the anti-war folks were right all along? Wow. I haven't been this shocked since Rosie O'Donnell came out of the closet.

I never fell for a goddamn thing about this war, subby. Never.

/for the record
//and no, that's a point of information
///not a point of order
////pet peeve

Meanwhile, Exon Mobil XOM posted a profit of 40.6 billion for the year.

I'll tell you, there just ain't no money in the oil industry. Poor Iraq will just have to suffer.

marcpen: Point of order: No, we didn't all fall for it. We always knew it was about oil. we just got shouted down by the warmongers.


I don't understand your reasoning... This is the Iraqi government's money that Iraq isn't spending because they're still busy rebuilding their country, so in the meantime it's being stockpiled for them. They'll spend it eventually, but (news flash) throwing money at things doesn't magically fix them. Sometimes projects take time, and more money won't speed them up.

But WTF does that have to do with the war being "about oil"? That's kind of out of left field.

(and no, it wasn't - and you have to be pretty damn gullible to believe that it was)

Korovyov
With luck, the more incompetent ministers and parliamentarians will be brutally purged

You don't by any chance work for Bush administration, do you?

/so I am getting a kick out of that reply

mongbiohazard: But WTF does that have to do with the war being "about oil"? That's kind of out of left field.

Sincere ignorance and willful stupidity are strong with this one.

mongbiohazard: But WTF does that have to do with the war being "about oil"? That's kind of out of left field.

(and no, it wasn't - and you have to be pretty damn gullible to believe that it was)

I know, right? I mean, no one has ever suggested that before.

So what was it then... the WMDs we didn't find? FAIL.

Freedom & Democracy? FAIL.

The candy & flowers as we are "greeted as liberators"? FAIL.

Stabilize the region and ensure oil production? FAIL.

Reduce terrorism? FAIL.

Improve conditions for the Iraqi people? FAIL.

Revenge for 9/11? FAIL.

To reduce al Qaeda's influence in the region? FAIL.

Boost Halliburton's bottom line? FAI... oh wait, that one's actually valid.

So enlighten all of us "gullible" poor little morans out here... Daddy, why WAS "The Iraq War 2: Electric Bugaloo" fought?

Magruda: mongbiohazard: But WTF does that have to do with the war being "about oil"? That's kind of out of left field.

Sincere ignorance and willful stupidity are strong with this one.

Way to answer the question. Now I know to insult others when they ask a question that I can't answer.

Guess_Who: Way to answer the question. Now I know to insult others when they ask a question that I can't answer.

I'd have better luck explaining evolution to Bevets. You can't have somethign explained to you if you don't want to understand it. This is where the sincere ignorance comes in. If you have been paying attention the last 4 years and need to have this explained to you, then you probably need to be watered twice a week.

Why should the Iraqis pay for the war? They didn't start it.
That oil is Iraqi oil, and they should use the proceeds to rebuild their country's infrastructure.

fernt: /goyim believe pretty much anything....the fools...does my hair look okay?

I don't think the Jews want anything to do with him anymore.

mongbiohazard: They'll spend it eventually, but (news flash) throwing money at things doesn't magically fix them.

I wish someone would have said that the last time President Bush asked for a $300 Billion increase in war spending.

quatchi: Sad thing is, you still encounter slow witted neanderfarks in blogworld who will insist that this war was never about oil and still isn't.

Not being a member of the former, I reject your later premise based on a simple question: If all toppling Saddam was about is controlling oil why not just cut a deal with Saddam, and lift the sanctions? Saddam would have dealt with the US in a heartbeat, we could go back to selling him a bunch of goodies and maybe convince him to have an Iran/Iraq war 2. Think of how the neo-con heart of hate would have runneth over with the blood of brown people killing brown people again, while they profited.

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: Great. Now the drum-beaters and trumpet-blowers can stop calling us "cowardly, traitorous terrorist sympathizers" and start calling us "smug, self-righteous intellectuals".

I don't see the traits you describe as being mutually exclusive. From what I've witness from the new left, it's one in the same.

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: That's what they do after it turns out we were right all along.

So far the prognostications from the new left and right haven't all panned out. The new left promised that Saddam would use human shields, attack Israel, set the oil fields ablaze, kill lots more of our troops in the initial round then they did, that the "arab street" would rise up throughout the region. None of that happened in the way it was advertised. Much as we all know the failures of Bush administrations in what it advertised. The truth lies somewhere in between.

Cagey B: Hey guys, remember when the war was supposed to pay for itself?

I remember that being spread about. My support for the overthrow of Saddam wasn't predicated on it, then or now. It seemed like a nice thought, but not one that had any traction in my mind. If it worked out, great, if not, great, either way Saddam would be gone.

Saddam being gone. Libya working with the US. Iran suspending uranium enrichment in 2003 (coincident? I think not). All are good things at the end of the day. The place isn't perfect, but it wasn't perfect before any of us were even born.

And no, I'm not a Republican, I'm one of the old school Democrats who believe that politics ends at the waters edge. I wanted Clinton to take of this during his time. Bill could speak so well he could sell snow to Eskimos. He could have articulated the reasons and made it happen with much less resistance(domestic and abroad). Clinton should have supported the Iraqi uprising in march of 1995 Link (new window)
. It would have taken much less blood and treasure, and would have been done before he left office.

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: mongbiohazard: They'll spend it eventually, but (news flash) throwing money at things doesn't magically fix them.

I wish someone would have said that the last time President Bush asked for a $300 Billion increase in war spending.

someone should tell that to the teachers unions

Daneel Olivaw: Hideously Gigantic Smurf: Great. Now the drum-beaters and trumpet-blowers can stop calling us "cowardly, traitorous terrorist sympathizers" and start calling us "smug, self-righteous intellectuals".

I don't see the traits you describe as being mutually exclusive. From what I've witness from the new left, it's one in the same.

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: That's what they do after it turns out we were right all along.

So far the prognostications from the new left and right haven't all panned out. The new left promised that Saddam would use human shields, attack Israel, set the oil fields ablaze, kill lots more of our troops in the initial round then they did, that the "arab street" would rise up throughout the region. None of that happened in the way it was advertised. Much as we all know the failures of Bush administrations in what it advertised. The truth lies somewhere in between.

You seem to think I am a member of this, how you say, "new left". What do you base this on?

Because I didn't want us to go to war with Iraq?
Because I didn't vote for Bush?
Or just because you say so?

mongbiohazard:
I don't understand politics your reasoning... This is the Iraqi government's money that Iraq isn't spending because they're still busy rebuilding their country, so in the meantime it's being stockpiled for them. They'll spend it eventually, but (news flash) throwing money at things doesn't magically fix them. Sometimes projects take time, and more money won't speed them up.

But WTF does that have to do with the war being "about oil"? That's kind of out of left field.

(and no, it wasn't - and you have to be I'm pretty damn gullible to believe that it was)


Just clearing that up.

Daneel Olivaw: If all toppling Saddam was about is controlling oil why not just cut a deal with Saddam, and lift the sanctions?

Because this way they can keep all of the oil and profits while handing out some nice military contracts that don't even have to be completed because there is no oversite. These guys are making a killing from the killing.

Magruda: Daneel Olivaw: If all toppling Saddam was about is controlling oil why not just cut a deal with Saddam, and lift the sanctions?

Because this way they can keep all of the oil and profits while handing out some nice military contracts that don't even have to be completed because there is no oversite. These guys are making a killing from the killing.

wow, there's a lot of crazy people on here tonight

014789: wow, there's a lot of crazy people on here tonight
Yep, i'm so crazy to think that we've been forking over money to private intrests in Iraq. That could never happen.

Car_Ramrod: What's all this "we" crap?

Lionel Mandrake: Who fell for what now?

Mr_Fabulous: I never fell for a goddamn thing about this war, subby. Never.

Gregory F. Stuart: I didn't fall for jack shiat.


unfortunately for those of us who didn't, the people with the power to do anything about it fell for it on our behalves.

Daneel Olivaw: If all toppling Saddam was about is controlling oil why not just cut a deal with Saddam, and lift the sanctions?

Because Saddam tried to kill his father.

In theaters from 2003- 2020.
Iraqnam
This time it's personal! "See our childrens do learn, revenge."

Daneel Olivaw: So far the prognostications from the new left and right haven't all panned out. The new left promised that Saddam would use human shields, attack Israel, set the oil fields ablaze, kill lots more of our troops in the initial round then they did, that the "arab street" would rise up throughout the region. None of that happened in the way it was advertised. Much as we all know the failures of Bush administrations in what it advertised. The truth lies somewhere in between.

where? when? cite something, because i'm pretty sure i've never heard any credible person say that.



when asked about how he would defend himself against attacks about economic policies from the republicans, obama simply responded "i don't think the republicans are in a position to argue about fiscal responsibility."

i would say the exact same about the war. any other theories aside, it has been nothing but a giant vortex of failure and death that has sucked trillions of dollars out of our nation and left the no nation in the world, not ours, not theirs, in a better state than they began as. so to be perfectly frank, stop talking, your side has absolutely no position to take place in this conversation.

burndtdan: and left the no nation in the world, not ours, not theirs, in a better state than when they began as

ftfm

Welcome to Fark Jeopardy!

ANSWER:

This Presidential candidate proposes adherence to the Constitution,
sound money backed by something tangible, and a non-interventionist foreign policy.

Oh, nevermind he's "batshiat crazy," right? Carry on, all.

burndtdan: your side has absolutely no position to take place in this conversation.

ok really, i should have proofread that.

sentiment stands. shut up, your side made this mess.

1) Enter Iraq
2) Bullshiat way into government
3) Make awesome Powerpoint presentation on how I will rebuild country.
4) Ask for a billion to get started.
5) Steal it and spend my life on an island.


The best anyone can hope for is that when all of this money is eventually stolen, it is used to purchase large yachts made in the U.S.

Worst case will be if it's used to buy U.S. weapons to use against us.

I'd say it's 7-2 for worst case.

dball2: Worst case will be if it's used to buy U.S. Chinese weapons to use against us.

FTFY, Problem with buying Chinese weapons is once you kill someone you want to do it again an hour later.

God I love all the arm chair quarterbacks out there. How many of you are true political or military insiders? none? thought so. You folks can get all worked up, spout whatever you want, but you need to realize...you barely know the true reasoning and functioning of your own daily life, nevermind the politics and economics of our government or anyone elses.

/not defending the war, just making a point...