Welcome to the Middle-East

I always wondered if it was OK to pay for a fake Rolex with counterfeit money.

Kar98: I always wondered if it was OK to pay for a fake Rolex with counterfeit money.

As long as the guy selling it only has blanks in his clip

Tatsuma: Welcome to the Middle-East

Weren't you saying that all the excessive purchasing of TVs, cigarettes, and the like was just proof of how well-off Palestinians were? That point kind of falls flat if they're resorting to counterfeit money...

You know, something dark inside my heart grows a little bit when I hear about people cheating other people, only to be cheated by the people the tried to cheat.

/dnrtfa

Shaggy_C: Weren't you saying that all the excessive purchasing of TVs, cigarettes, and the like was just proof of how well-off Palestinians were? That point kind of falls flat if they're resorting to counterfeit money...

With all do respect, even if they were using counterfeit money, the fact that they were going for luxury goods rather than necessary staples is rather telling.

Shaggy_C: Tatsuma: Welcome to the Middle-East

Man, you really don't want to go there with Tatsuma.

It's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide.

Running a-puck: the fact that they were going for luxury goods rather than necessary staples is rather telling.

Riddle me this: During a riot where you could steal whatever you wanted, what would you take?

Shaggy_C: Riddle me this: During a riot where you could steal whatever you wanted, what would you take?

How hungry am I?

Tatsuma: Welcome to the Middle-East

Oh gimme a break. Like that shyt doesn't happen in America.

Shaggy_C: Weren't you saying that all the excessive purchasing of TVs, cigarettes, and the like was just proof of how well-off Palestinians were? That point kind of falls flat if they're resorting to counterfeit money...

Do you have any proofs that most of that $500M were counterfeit bills?

Running a-puck: With all do respect, even if they were using counterfeit money, the fact that they were going for luxury goods rather than necessary staples is rather telling.

That too

all paper money is really counterfit. just ask kim jung il. thats why i only conduct transactions with only gold dobloons and heads of cattle...

word

The First: Oh gimme a break. Like that shyt doesn't happen in America.

On such a widespread scale? No.

You've never been to a shuk either, right?

Tatsuma: Welcome to the Middle-East


Now now. Some people in the Middle East. The one's worth knowing.

Running a-puck: How hungry am I?

So now our measuring stick as to whether people are doing well is whether or not they look like Ethiopians?

Seriously though, Rodney King riots 1992: People were in a bad, bad way in South Central LA in those days. Some of the worst poverty this country has seen in the last 50 years. Yet they weren't out stealing bread and meat; they were stealing TVs and stereos, because you can later sell those things to make enough money to buy tons of bread and meat. Come on, you can be this dense: You only have so much arm space, etc... You're illegally entering another country. Do you take things that have some intrinsic value or just stuff you'll consume completely in the next week?

Running a-puck:
With all do respect, even if they were using counterfeit money, the fact that they were going for luxury goods rather than necessary staples is rather telling.

Well with all do respect, an Israeli article said they were purchasing luxury goods, and now an Israeli article is saying it was with counterfeit money -- yet the fact they were behind a farking Israeli wall in a virtual prison seems to get lost in America. That's what's rather telling. 2 state solution my ass. It's collective punishment, dehumanizing, illegal, racist, and bullshiat.

Shaggy_C: Seriously though, Rodney King riots 1992: People were in a bad, bad way in South Central LA in those days. Some of the worst poverty this country has seen in the last 50 years. Yet they weren't out stealing bread and meat; they were stealing TVs and stereos, because you can later sell those things to make enough money to buy tons of bread and meat. Come on, you can be this dense: You only have so much arm space, etc... You're illegally entering another country. Do you take things that have some intrinsic value or just stuff you'll consume completely in the next week?

And if everyone buys a TV and no one buys food, what was the point of buying these TVs if you can't even sell them to make a profit?

worlddan: Now now. Some people in the Middle East. The one's worth knowing.

Personally, when I hear "Rehab" by Amy Winehouse, I really sing "They tried to make me go to Riyadh, I said no no no"

Wasn't there a movie about something like this?

Tatsuma: Shaggy_C: Seriously though, Rodney King riots 1992: People were in a bad, bad way in South Central LA in those days. Some of the worst poverty this country has seen in the last 50 years. Yet they weren't out stealing bread and meat; they were stealing TVs and stereos, because you can later sell those things to make enough money to buy tons of bread and meat. Come on, you can be this dense: You only have so much arm space, etc... You're illegally entering another country. Do you take things that have some intrinsic value or just stuff you'll consume completely in the next week?

And if everyone buys a TV and no one buys food, what was the point of buying these TVs if you can't even sell them to make a profit?

Because you plug the TV in and watch the food network, dumbass.

Tatsuma: And if everyone buys a TV and no one buys food, what was the point of buying these TVs if you can't even sell them to make a profit?

Who said anything about 'everyone'? Even in the Sublime song a lady buys some peppers.

worlddan: Because you plug the TV in and watch the food network, dumbass.

If I couldn't get food and watched a marathon of the F-Word, I probably would kill myself

Shaggy_C: Running a-puck: How hungry am I?

So now our measuring stick as to whether people are doing well is whether or not they look like Ethiopians?

Seriously though, Rodney King riots 1992: People were in a bad, bad way in South Central LA in those days. Some of the worst poverty this country has seen in the last 50 years. Yet they weren't out stealing bread and meat; they were stealing TVs and stereos, because you can later sell those things to make enough money to buy tons of bread and meat. Come on, you can be this dense: You only have so much arm space, etc... You're illegally entering another country. Do you take things that have some intrinsic value or just stuff you'll consume completely in the next week?

You're wrong. Plenty of foodstuffs were stolen, as well as regular consumer goods. Then they went back for more, or turned the place into a structure fire. Weren't there? Then don't try to tell us about your view of Logan airport.

DarnoKonrad: Running a-puck:
With all do respect, even if they were using counterfeit money, the fact that they were going for luxury goods rather than necessary staples is rather telling.

Well with all do respect, an Israeli article said they were purchasing luxury goods, and now an Israeli article is saying it was with counterfeit money -- yet the fact they were behind a farking Israeli wall in a virtual prison seems to get lost in America. That's what's rather telling. 2 state solution my ass. It's collective punishment, dehumanizing, illegal, racist, and bullshiat.

Considering that Egypt doesn't want them either is pretty farking telling. See: NPR, other sources, Hamas trying to force Egypt to leave the breaches in the wall open...

Sucks when everybody hates you.

Shaggy_C: Who said anything about 'everyone'? Even in the Sublime song a lady buys some peppers.

Pampers

Shaggy_C: So now our measuring stick as to whether people are doing well is whether or not they look like Ethiopians?

I don't see where either of us were talking about how well off someone was, we were speaking of what would I take in the case of a riot, and I asked how hungry I was. There is a whole lot of room between famine victim and barely surviving, and a lot of room between barely surviving and comfortable.


Seriously though, Rodney King riots 1992: People were in a bad, bad way in South Central LA in those days. Some of the worst poverty this country has seen in the last 50 years. Yet they weren't out stealing bread and meat; they were stealing TVs and stereos, because you can later sell those things to make enough money to buy tons of bread and meat. Come on, you can be this dense: You only have so much arm space, etc... You're illegally entering another country. Do you take things that have some intrinsic value or just stuff you'll consume completely in the next week?

If I only have so much arm space I certainly wouldn't be going for electronic goods, too bulky. I'd be going for jewelry and other high value low bulk items. Booze and smokes are a good choice for that. TVs? Not so much. On the other hand if it would be a fine time to pick up luxury goods that I could not ordinarily afford. If I needed consumables that I would consume in the next week and I could not get said consumables ordinarily then I would certainly be picking up the consumables.

Look, I am categorically not stating that the lot of the Palestinians is one that I would gleefully exchange for my life. I am saying that you don't go buying TVs and Stereos if you don't have beans and bacon. Not unless you are exceedingly stupid.

Shaggy_C: Tatsuma: And if everyone buys a TV and no one buys food, what was the point of buying these TVs if you can't even sell them to make a profit?

Who said anything about 'everyone'? Even in the Sublime song a lady buys some peppers.

Food stamps, cracker.

You're wrong regardless, there were plenty of foodstuffs stolen, along with enough refrigerators to store it. Do more research before posting.

Running a-puck: Look, I am categorically not stating that the lot of the Palestinians is one that I would gleefully exchange for my life. I am saying that you don't go buying TVs and Stereos if you don't have beans and bacon. Not unless you are exceedingly stupid.

Yup. And so what if they could only buy 40 bucks worth of food? It's not like they thought "Hey, I've got an extra 500 bucks, I might as well waste it, it's not like we're poor or something"

The Egyptians and Jordanians have always farked over the Palestinians. Much more so than the Israelis. The funny thing is that the average Palestine has the IQ of 10 and always goes along with whoever will hurt them the most.

How many millions if not billions of aid money did Arafat die with again? Hamas? Great idea, idiots.

last week provided an opportunity for Palestinians and Egyptians to cheat one another.

Haha apparently the author of the article hates capitalism and freee markets.

There are claims that huge volumes of trade were done - enough to cause inflation in Egypt, a country of tens of millions of people, and so on.

To make a story like this "true" one single item has to be beyond its perishable date, and one single bill has to be counterfit. That's enough for the autor to bet away with his claims.

The claim that free trade is theft sounds like something sgtraight out of Soviet propaganda to me.

It's not news it's fark.

Nemo's Brother: The funny thing is that the average Palestine always goes along with whoever will hurt them the most.

See: Saddam Hussein and the expulsion of Palestinians from Kuwait

"get" away with his claims.

emocomputerjock: You're wrong regardless, there were plenty of foodstuffs stolen, along with enough refrigerators to store it. Do more research before posting.

I wasn't talking to you in the first place. I was taking issue with the insinuation a few days ago that Palestinians were so well-off that they were buying TVs and cigarettes instead of real necessities.

DarnoKonrad: Well with all do respect, an Israeli article said they were purchasing luxury goods, and now an Israeli article is saying it was with counterfeit money -- yet the fact they were behind a farking Israeli wall in a virtual prison seems to get lost in America. That's what's rather telling. 2 state solution my ass. It's collective punishment, dehumanizing, illegal, racist, and bullshiat.

Who controls the wall? My impression, and I admit that I do not know for certain, is that this entire territory is under Hamas control. In that case the wall is under Hamas control. So Hamas can tear down the wall (at least between their territory and Egypt) however they would like, right? And that is pretty much what happened, they tore down (blew up, whatever) a section of wall and people crossed the border in huge numbers. Those people then spent a lot of (apparently counterfeit) money in Egypt on goods and brought those goods back home. But if things were as dire as one side is saying a) they wouldn't go back home or b) wouldn't be acquiring luxury goods. If things were as good as the other side is implying they wouldn't have to cross the border in the first place.

Hey everyone, you all are being summoned to the thread on the main page about the rocket factory.

ilambiquated: Haha apparently the author of the article hates capitalism and freee markets.

Additions to list of things Ilambiquated knows about:
1 - Capitalism
2 - Free Market

Hint, genius: fraud is not considered a part of the system.

To make a story like this "true" one single item has to be beyond its perishable date, and one single bill has to be counterfit. That's enough for the autor to bet away with his claims.

That's not what happens, there was a wide system to counterfeit money. Hamas were the ones printing the money, giving them to certain select Palestinians, who would buy everything they could, return in Gaza, resell it and give a cut of the profit to Hamas

that's not capitalism or the free market.

The claim that free trade is theft sounds like something sgtraight out of Soviet propaganda to me.

You're an idiot if you think that selling outdated products as good in exchange for counterfeit money is "free trade"

One reason not to spend a lot of money on food is that food is perishable. Buying TVs might be a better investment.

But the Palestinians aren't starving.

Shaggy_C: emocomputerjock: You're wrong regardless, there were plenty of foodstuffs stolen, along with enough refrigerators to store it. Do more research before posting.

I wasn't talking to you in the first place. I was taking issue with the insinuation a few days ago that Palestinians were so well-off that they were buying TVs and cigarettes instead of real necessities.

Then don't run your yap on the LA Riots then, moran.

Tatsuma: Hint, genius: fraud is not considered a part of the system.

Caveat Emptor.

Shaggy_C: Seriously though, Rodney King riots 1992: People were in a bad, bad way in South Central LA in those days. Some of the worst poverty this country has seen in the last 50 years. Yet they weren't out stealing bread and meat; they were stealing TVs and stereos, because you can later sell those things to make enough money to buy tons of bread and meat.

Come on now, however bad you thought things were for residents of South Central LA in 1992, if you are really comparing their lives to the lives of Palestinians, any argument you've made about how terrible lives of Palestinians are because of Israel goes out the window.

When confronted by a situation where you can get anything, you get what you NEED before you get what you WANT. If conditions in Gaza are as bad as we have been lead to believe, they would have been getting food items (although there is mention of perishables past their expiration in the article). The fact that they were getting expensive items, even if to sell for money to buy food later, still means that there is food that they can buy later in Gaza.

Furthermore on your point that the Palestinians use of counterfeit money proves that they really don't have money of their own, If you had $50,000 real money, and $50,000 counterfeit money, which are you going to spend first when you break across a closed border with a mob of hundreds of thousands of people?

I've always thought about taking a shiatload of books, when the time to loot came, of course I'd be fighting off zombies and not palestinians, but that's a different story.

Seriously though, how many levels of exchange must stolen goods go through before they become legit? I'm thinking US land for instance.

/I don't respect people who don't 'get' due respect.

Shaggy_C: Running a-puck: the fact that they were going for luxury goods rather than necessary staples is rather telling.

Riddle me this: During a riot where you could steal whatever you wanted, what would you take?

Guns. Then I wouldn't need to wait for a riot to take what I want.

Tatsuma: You're an idiot if you think that selling outdated products as good in exchange for counterfeit money is "free trade"

Markets tend to suffer from varioous failures. Lack of information is one of them - for example the lack of information about the quality of the product. That is why governments must intervene - to provide information.

However in a situation where the government is not in the position to do so, the correct solution it not to demonize the concept of trade as inherently fraudulent, or forbid all trade.

Especially in a stupid ten line article about a supposedly huge turnover where apparently at least one counterfit note was allegedly passed, and at least one article that was low quality was allegedly sold.

Sure spin like you want it, but the tone of the article is clearly anti-capitalist, anti free trade.

This reminds me of the attitude the German right wingers have towards the Polish flea markets in Berlin. It must all be fraud, it'S foreigners.

funny thing is the Poles and Hungarians say the same thing about the Ukrainians.

And everyone in Asia has always said it about the Hong Kong Chinese. For example they have a terrible reputation in Taiwa as rip offs.

bigmatty87: Come on now, however bad you thought things were for residents of South Central LA in 1992, if you are really comparing their lives to the lives of Palestinians, any argument you've made about how terrible lives of Palestinians are because of Israel goes out the window.

You're right; at least the blacks being oppressed by the whites in LA didn't have walls built around their ghetto.

The whole situation is Farking hilarious.

It's good to see the arab population treating each other with such great respect. I hope the Israelis learn something from this.
Like the profit margin on expired food.

Shaggy_C: You're right; at least the blacks being oppressed by the whites in LA didn't have walls built around their ghetto.

Honestly that was more a social/economic class thing than a racial thing. Yes, the thing that initially set it off was racial, and the racial incidents got the most media coverage, but a guy I was in the army with swore up and down that the rioting for the most part was racially blind. Latinos, whites, blacks, everyone was out getting stuff that they wanted but couldn't get. Ok, almost blind. He said that everyone kind of had it out for the Koreans, but they got the hell off the street real quick. Again, this is second hand info.

The real story is that the Egyptians and the Israelis (with the tactic support of just about everyone) have been cooperating to root out the unlovely Hamas by applying economic sanctions to the poeple they conquered by force.

This tactic has failed spectacularly, and the Egyptian and Israeli governments have egg on their faces. Hamas seems to have nine lives.

So it's spin time.