If he needs Limbaugh and Dobson to win the election then FARK HIM, we don't farkin' need him.

But brother, let me tell you something: if you want to be elected anything in the Republican party from dogcatcher to President of the United States, the first two people you want on your side are Rush Limbaugh and James Dobson.

What the fark is wrong with Republican voters?

Then again, some would say you need Kos or moveon behind you, to which I would say:

What the fark is wrong with Democratic voters?

McCain is the only shot they have. I can't see Romney beating Hillary or Obama. McCain though, it could be a close race.

Those guys are the herpes and the syphilis of politics.

Obama cant win without Oprah or jesse jackson, all politicians have to have useless famous people to support them.

SherKhan: Those guys are the herpes and the syphilis of politics.

I agree on the "herp" part.

The "syphilis", not so much. You can get rid of syphilis.

Oh PLEASE. As if they'd support Obama or Clinton over McCain in the general election. Personally, I'd LOVE to see a right-wing 3rd party candidate... karma, and all that.

Three Crooked Squirrels: Then again, some would say you need Kos or moveon behind you, to which I would say:

Not so much... there are way too many DINOs in office right now for that to be true.

Anyone notice how Sean Hannity has done a 180 on McCain? Now Mr. Conservative is saying there's no harm in a pro-environment stance and letting Meskins in our homeland.

I hate Hannity, but listen anyway. Kinda like how I can't hit the ignore button on some farkers.

Not so much Dobson and Limbaugh specifically, but the voters they symbolically represent. I don't get the McCain hate from the Republicans, but it's undeniable.

There's alot of bluster out there now, but come November and it turns out it's McCain against Hillary or Barak, are they gonna put up or shut up?

Perhaps the far right would care to run a third candidate in the general? That would give them someone to cheer for, and help sew up a landslide for the Democrats.

All this whinging and moaning about McCain will fade as soon as Hillary gets the nomination. Even Coulter or Malkin, when they wake up, will realize how much worse it would be for them if Hillary won and they will rally around McCain, just like most democrats will around Hillary

A Hillary victory is the best possible outcome for bottomfeeding hatemongers like Limbaugh. He's been flogging the Hillary bogeyman since she was first elected to the senate. By stirring up his credulous listeners with his special brand of frothy-mouthed Hillary-focused codswallop, he's managed to convince them that a Hillary victory will mean the end of the American way.

Meanwhile, a McCain victory leaves him with dead air. He's milquetoast. How do you blast a guy who's transformed himself from a "maverick" eight years ago to the lumpy, spineless blob of pandering clay that he is now?

Douchebags like Dobson, Malkin, Limbaugh, et al need a Democratic president to keep the electricity turned on.

Tatsuma: just like most democrats will around Hillary

Ewww, don't make me do it!

pootsie: I hate Hannity, but listen anyway. Kinda like how I can't hit the ignore button on some farkers.

So you have found a cheaper way to feed the masochism. I listen to Hannity at rush hour sometimes, because screaming angrily at my radio keeps me aware and awake while I drive.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Ron Paul to announce his Independent/Libertarian party candidacy for President once he drops out as the Republican candidate. After all, like Nader in 2000, this is his only real chance at the national spotlight.

Can McCain win the Republican nomination without the Limbaugh crowd? Sure. And that's what really pisses them off.

Note to Republicans:

You have a whole demographic who only votes as they are told by 2-3 radio and TV personalities. Whoever these people support is your candidate, like it or not.

This is a BAD thing no matter what your political affiliations are, it needs to change. Why do Republicans need someone to tell them who to vote for?!

and before someone says 'democrats do the same thing' name 1 personality who has the impact on the democratic primaries that Rush has.

/registered independent

Obama/Sharpton strikes the right balance of fiscal conservatism and social liberalism. Two items that have been missing from US politics in the last several election cycles.

/Scarborough is hooked on the kool-aide.

Does Scarborough know that a good portion of the republican party is embarassed to be associated with those two names he mentioned?

Tatsuma: All this whinging and moaning about McCain will fade as soon as Hillary gets the nomination. Even Coulter or Malkin, when they wake up, will realize how much worse it would be for them if Hillary won and they will rally around McCain, just like most democrats will around Hillary

Truer words were not spoken in the last hour.

Prospero424: Can McCain win the Republican nomination without the Limbaugh crowd? Sure. And that's what really pisses them off.

With the delegates shaping up the way they are, McCain can't win without this guy.

Three Crooked Squirrels: But brother, let me tell you something: if you want to be elected anything in the Republican party from dogcatcher to President of the United States, the first two people you want on your side are Rush Limbaugh and James Dobson.

What the fark is wrong with Republican voters?

Then again, some would say you need Kos or moveon behind you, to which I would say:

What the fark is wrong with Democratic voters?

Not really a fair comparison. The Democratic party is nowhere near as authoritarian or top-down structured as the Republican party. That's why you'll see the Republican candidates often sqaubling over who has shown more fealty and obediance towards the movement of conservatism. Not so much with Democrats and liberalism.

I wish these right wing pundits would get mad at a liberal who has bloated government by almost 50%, thinks America should be nation building, thinks the government should spy on it's citizens, and thinks torture is ok.

I think the republicans are trying to lose on purpose. It didn't take an incredible amount of foresight to figure out that if we chose war with Iraq, we would be under democratic control for another 40 years.

The Republican Party (which I am part of) - killing conservative leadersip one generation at a time.

Wait, so a fellow pundit holds up the value of other pundits in determining an election? Color me shocked! It's like some massive circle jerk to validate their existence.

I remember listening to Rush in '92 when it was clear that Clinton I had beaten the snot out of Bush I. He put on this melodramatic act about how the Republican party had gone down the river, and Democrats were the only true saviors of the Republic. I was pretty convincing, except that he didn't have the same number of indoctrinated sheep listening rabidly to his every word. No one seemed to buy it; now, if he did the same thing - ala rooting for Obama or Hillary - it would probably cause his however-many-million listeners' heads to explode.

/I'm not going to listen to find out

glaurunge: Not really a fair comparison. The Democratic party is nowhere near as authoritarian or top-down structured as the Republican party. That's why you'll see the Republican candidates often sqaubling over who has shown more fealty and obediance towards the movement of conservatism. Not so much with Democrats and liberalism.

Oh I don't know. Democratic candidates fellate Saint JFK as much as Republican Candidates fellate Saint Reagan...

Nestea Plunge: Anyone notice how Sean Hannity has done a 180 on McCain?

Feh, Hannity is a lightweight, he says what Ailes and Moody tell him to say.

Literally, Hannity regurgitates Republican talking-points. As soon as a new slogan comes down from the White House, he'll pick it up and won't let up untill it's replaced by a new Whitehouse talking-point. The most hilarious though, is when he says "Global Warming is Junk Science."

Prospero424L: I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Ron Paul to announce his Independent/Libertarian party candidacy for President once he drops out as the Republican candidate. After all, like Nader in 2000, this is his only real chance at the national spotlight.

I'm thinking there is a strange likelihood of a tag team Huck and Paul thing going on. Before you say. NOO Huck is too religious, or NOO huck is too Pro-Tax etc etc. Stop and think 90% of Paul's supporters were Neo-Cons or Liberals just a year ago...

I get a kick out of the Republican mouthpieces getting their knickers in a twist over McCain, a Republican who regularly bucks the party line, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. The far right ought to be sweating. They aren't mainstream any more. They're shifting into the fundie-nutjob category that is usually reserved for Wahabbist Muslims.

His record isn't perfect, he's not the poster boy for the conservatives, but to be honest, I would rather see the far right wing do some serious soul searching as to what their party actually ought to be when what they want has started sliding far enough away from the mainstream that they can't get elected on it anymore.

Tatsuma: All this whinging and moaning about McCain will fade as soon as Hillary gets the nomination. Even Coulter or Malkin, when they wake up, will realize how much worse it would be for them if Hillary won and they will rally around McCain, just like most democrats will around Hillary

While I will agree with the point that most Republicans will rally around Hillary, I disagree that most democrats will go to Hillary.

Most democrats I know absolutely despise her, completely refuse to vote for her. (I'm one of them) I'm registered green party, and McCain has a very good record on environmental issues, and while I completely disagree with him on the war, I can stomach voting for him because of his well thought out, reasoned stances on other issues.

/Still don't like his selling out though...

What happened to researching candidates and finding out their positions and then voting for the one you most agreed with? Are people that lazy? Everyone has a website. Anyone can check out the candidate platforms in like 5 minutes. I don't wait for someone to endorse the candidate I support. I support them because I like their message.

WTF is wrong with people? Is it the water? The tin foil hats? Global warming? What has caused this rampant idiocy that has become the American voting public?

Scarborough's just playing his usual media game: assuming the "independent" role until we actually approach campaign time, when he promptly resumes spouting the same nonsense that Limbaugh and the rest do while lionizing these folks and the audience they represent yet pretending to remain distant from their general disposition.

And if he's caught doing it, he just plays it off as humor; that you just don't "get the joke" that he happens to agree with nearly all of what they say.

His public record in government and elsewhere shows where he really stands...

Cinaed I get a kick out of the Republican mouthpieces getting their knickers in a twist over McCain, a Republican who regularly bucks the party line, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. The far right ought to be sweating. They aren't mainstream any more. They're shifting into the fundie-nutjob category that is usually reserved for Wahabbist Muslims.

No question the pendulum has swung to the left the last few years It'll swing back. It always does.

Big Dog could have never won his two terms without Rush's backing. Same for Gore's 2000 win. So ya, McCain is screwed.

Alucard1191 Most democrats I know absolutely despise her, completely refuse to vote for her. (I'm one of them) I'm registered green party, and McCain has a very good record on environmental issues, and while I completely disagree with him on the war, I can stomach voting for him because of his well thought out, reasoned stances on other issues.

What if Obama is VP?

All this McCain hatred from the Right has me liking the ol' coot more and more. If Hannity, Limbaugh and Colter hate him, how can he not be okay?

/maybe this is their evil plan? grudge votes?

The only thing he needs for that is Clinton to the the nom for the dems.

Hopefully the McCain candidacy will force the Republican population off of Rush and Ann, etc. as they are forced to realize that if they continue to listen to said personalities, they will end up with a democrat as president- which, according to said personalities, is their worst fear.

/Vote what Rush says = democrat president = dittoheads asplode

MFL: Alucard1191 Most democrats I know absolutely despise her, completely refuse to vote for her. (I'm one of them) I'm registered green party, and McCain has a very good record on environmental issues, and while I completely disagree with him on the war, I can stomach voting for him because of his well thought out, reasoned stances on other issues.

What if Obama is VP?

VP for McCain or Hillary? He's already come out and said he refuses to be anyones VP, though he could change his mind. If he did go VP under hillary, I would lose a lot of respect for him because Hillary stands for a lot of the things he refuses to take part in. (Corporatism, etc.) Then everyone saying Obama is an empty shell would be right. Hell, I even donated money to Obama, first time in my life. I like the guy, doing that would totally screw that up.

I could live with him as McCain's VP though, it won't happen.

inglixthemad: glaurunge: Not really a fair comparison. The Democratic party is nowhere near as authoritarian or top-down structured as the Republican party. That's why you'll see the Republican candidates often sqaubling over who has shown more fealty and obediance towards the movement of conservatism. Not so much with Democrats and liberalism.

Oh I don't know. Democratic candidates fellate Saint JFK as much as Republican Candidates fellate Saint Reagan...

Um.... not really.... I don't think you can say that the Democrats are fallling over themselves to praise JFK as the Republicans do to Reagan. Can anyone find the youtube edit of all the "Reagans" the candidates let slip? Oh well, I can't find it, but this one is just as good (new window, youtube).

What happened to researching candidates and finding out their positions and then voting for the one you most agreed with? Are people that lazy? Everyone has a website. Anyone can check out the candidate platforms in like 5 minutes. I don't wait for someone to endorse the candidate I support. I support them because I like their message.

Aw, you are so cute. That would require independent thought, which goes aganist all the "with us or against us" stuff we keep getting hammered over the head with.

You kids today with your crazy ideas!

Republicans wish they had a Ronald Reagan stamp so they could lick its backside.

RandomExcess:

Sharpton

The gonorrhea of politics.

Alucard1191: Was it just me or did you gag watching Obama rave about how great Hillary was during the debates last night. I know I did. "Hillary will always be my friend because we both want whats best for the American People"
Great line for trying to make peace with the Hill camp and end this bickering, but a straight lie as well.

MFL: Cinaed I get a kick out of the Republican mouthpieces getting their knickers in a twist over McCain, a Republican who regularly bucks the party line, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. The far right ought to be sweating. They aren't mainstream any more. They're shifting into the fundie-nutjob category that is usually reserved for Wahabbist Muslims.

No question the pendulum has swung to the left the last few years It'll swing back. It always does.

Only what you're callling "the left" is really still a ways right of center. Yes, we are now left of trying to dismantle social security, but still a fair bit right of center nontheless.

Psh, who cares? McCain can summon Zombie Reagan and Jack Kemp. He's a shoe-in. I mean, JACK KEMP! Who cares about the issues or his knowledge -- he's got friends in Washington.

MindStalker: Prospero424L: I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Ron Paul to announce his Independent/Libertarian party candidacy for President once he drops out as the Republican candidate. After all, like Nader in 2000, this is his only real chance at the national spotlight.

I'm thinking there is a strange likelihood of a tag team Huck and Paul thing going on. Before you say. NOO Huck is too religious, or NOO huck is too Pro-Tax etc etc. Stop and think 90% of Paul's supporters were Neo-Cons or Liberals just a year ago...

Well, they certainly were marginalized in tandem during the last debate. As much as Huckabee scares me as a religious zealot, he's still a more credible candidate than even John Edwards was; playing him down like that was pure garbage on CNN's part (let alone how they've covered Paul, don't even get me started on that). I'm not sure I could see this actually working, but maybe.

What I'm really hoping for is a Bloomberg entry into the race -- not because I'd vote for him or want to see him as president, but because he's well funded/known enough that he could really fark things up badly for everyone, and make it a more interesting race in the process. Hell, if he finished a close second or even won, it would really reshape American politics. Which would make it all the easier for someone in Ron Paul's mold to run in 2012 (he's too old to run again the next time).

I don't think republicans realize that Bush won almost ENTIRELY on the back of Rove's religious right footsoldier program.

Is McCain REALLY going to be able to get those evangelical and hardcore conservatives goign to be doing all the work for him?
Maybe those who vote will vote for him over Clinton, but they aren't going to go do the door-to-door legwork that you really need to do as a republican to get votes out and win.

Alucard1191 VP for McCain or Hillary? He's already come out and said he refuses to be anyones VP, though he could change his mind. If he did go VP under hillary, I would lose a lot of respect for him because Hillary stands for a lot of the things he refuses to take part in. (Corporatism, etc.) Then everyone saying Obama is an empty shell would be right. Hell, I even donated money to Obama, first time in my life. I like the guy, doing that would totally screw that up.

I could live with him as McCain's VP though, it won't happen.

They all say that. That was the reason for the democrat rally I mean debate last night. If she wins he will be pressured by the party to take the VP spot and he will take it. He's the perfect compliment for her poltically and it would also set him up politically for a future nomination.

If he did refuse Hillary I would have a newfound respect for him.

Scarborough defended the doctor killer and terrorist. That got him enough kudos from the christian conservatives to get a seat in Congress. He seems much more liberal today because his paycheck depends on it.