More like beige and ivory.

Clinton-Obama

vs

McCain-Powell

Aeonite: Clinton-Obama

vs

McCain-Powell

As far as speculative potential races go, DAMN that'd be a good one. Not gonna pan out, but that would be some good watchin.

Aeonite:
Clinton-Obama

vs

McCain-Powell

Wow! That's the kind of ...uh....zzzzzzzzzz

/wake me when I have to vote again

Aeonite: Clinton-Obama

vs

McCain-Powell

Nah both McCain and Powell are over 70 ... you want someone born recently.

Obama-Schweitzer

vs

McCain-Huckabee

That's what I call extraordinary rendition.

darthmixalot: Aeonite: Clinton-Obama

vs

McCain-Powell

Nah both McCain and Powell are over 70 ... you want someone born recently.


McCain...Cheney?

I think it'll probably end up:
Obama-Clinton
v.
McCain-9/11

strangeguitar: Obama-Clinton

I'd be so psyched about an Obama/Webb Ticket.



Come on, I can't be the only one. Start some noise about this, internet.

Persepolis: strangeguitar: Obama-Clinton

I'd be so psyched about an Obama/Webb Ticket.


I think this quote is about as much 'noise' as you're gonna get.

Next person to suggest Clinton/Obama gets a cockpunch. It will never happen and I would lose a great deal of respect for Obama if this did happen.

Neither Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton will ever, ever happen.

Echoic: Next person to suggest Clinton/Obama gets a cockpunch. It will never happen and I would lose a great deal of respect for Obama if this did happen.

Neither Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton will ever, ever happen.

Will it be remotely credible after all the vitriol they've spewed either way? Nope.

Could it happen? Absolutely.

Juansmith: Could it happen? Absolutely.

Clinton/Obama:
Obama has stated he won't take VP for any administration. He could change his mind, though, granted, but Obama's message is completely contradictory to Clinton's - Obama is all about uniting, and that has nothing in common with Clinton.

Obama/Clinton:
This would be a bad choice for Obama (a unifying figure picking a divisive figure and a figure sponsored by corporate lobbyists) and we all know Hillary would never take vp.

It will never happen. Quote me on it.

Good evening, Miss Daisy!

The debate lacked substance.

USP .45: The debate lacked substance.

Serious? That was the most substantive debate yet.

How long till she cries again like she did in NH?

Aeonite: Clinton-Obama

Obama has a lot to win by being Clinton's VP. What do you feel would be the best choice, should Hillary win the nomination, and supposing she's a two term president ? Shouldn't he rather amass 8 years of experience as a senator, and then come out as a far stronger figure than he is now ? Being a VP for the ice queen could burn him up.

Echoic
You get really testy about Clinton I've noticed. Similar to the rabid Ron Paul fans, just in the opposite way. And yes I know I know, she's evil blah blah blah. ;-)

I think all the sunshine and puppies from this last debate were due to Hillary's drubbing in SC. She realized that by playing the race card / sex card, she'd stuck her proverbial dick in a meat grinder, then let Billy Boy throw the switch. She's not stupid, and knows that her safest bet is to coast on the Florida "victory" into Super Tuesday. She gets destroyed on Feb 5, she'll melt down. They both come out of Feb 5 neck and neck, and she'll turn the vitriol knob back to 11. She mysteriously wins on Feb 5, "American people have spoken", "clear mandate", yadda yadda.

Either of the first two scenarios come to pass, prepare for Clintonian mudslinging of epic proportions. Scenario 1, and expect it to be accompanied by head-spinning and vomiting pea soup.

LauraBelle: You get really testy about Clinton I've noticed. Similar to the rabid Ron Paul fans, just in the opposite way. And yes I know I know, she's evil blah blah blah. ;-)

Rabid Ron Paul fans just love Ron Paul. I just really dislike Hillary. This is quite different.

And you're certainly right, but I didn't even say anything very bad about Hillary in this thread, so I'm not sure what made you say that.

Echoic
I'm not sure what made you say that.

Yesterday's bombardment when I mentioned I'm voting for her. ;-) No offense meant, just find it interesting. Anyhoo, Obama will certainly get my vote if Hil doesn't win the primary. I like them both for president.

Have a good night! :-)

LauraBelle: Yesterday's bombardment when I mentioned I'm voting for her. ;-) No offense meant, just find it interesting. Anyhoo, Obama will certainly get my vote if Hil doesn't win the primary. I like them both for president.

Have a good night! :-)

Bombardment? I think you're thinking of someone else because I think the only thing I said to you was my "On a truth scale: 10" comment, although I may be wrong. That's all I remember, at least.

Good night to you too :P

LauraBelle: You get really testy about Clinton I've noticed. Similar to the rabid Ron Paul fans, just in the opposite way. And yes I know I know, she's evil blah blah blah. ;-)

Echoic Rabid Ron Paul fans just love Ron Paul. I just really dislike Hillary. This is quite different.

And you're certainly right, but I didn't even say anything very bad about Hillary in this thread, so I'm not sure what made you say that.

Hillary made her do it

/maybe

Aeonite: Clinton-Obama

vs

McCain-Powell

So, wait, for the democratic party we're pairing a centrist candidate that the majority of conservatives are relatively un-opinionated about and most of the independents like with a power-hungry incarnation of evil that wouldn't even be able to garner all the votes on the democratic side...

And then, on the republican side, you're taking the dude that democrats and independents find fairly acceptable and pairing him with a guy that a load of people across the political spectrum regard as one of the greatest statesmen of our time?

Damn, you really have it in for the dems, don't you?

Somethings not right here. I smell a deal has been made.

Clinton not going for the Jugular? Obama playing nice.

No sir, something is seriously wrong.

sHillary makes her sHeeple use a lot of:

;-) and :-)


/and not in a good way.
//Hillary is a Demon.

I tried watching this last night but just couldn't. From what I did see Hillary just didn't seem right. I did notice that Obama was a lefty(writes with his left hand). Isn't there a saying about left handed people being in their right mind?

/not a D or R.
//Undecided

padraig: Obama has a lot to win by being Clinton's VP. What do you feel would be the best choice, should Hillary win the nomination, and supposing she's a two term president ? Shouldn't he rather amass 8 years of experience as a senator, and then come out as a far stronger figure than he is now ? Being a VP for the ice queen could burn him up.

He has a lot more to win by leading the loyal opposition in the Senate. If he took the VP, Hillary would bury him like Bill buried Al Gore. If Obama doesn't get the nomination, he would be better off building a power base in the Senate and trying again in 2012, especially if President Hillary or McCain end up being pulled down by the aftereffects of Bush.

That debate was awful.

I don't want to hear why your team is better than the other team. I want to hear why Obama is better than Clinton or vise-versa.

The party bosses are in control.


Another thing is, where was this smooth-talking Obama? He speaks in 4 word phrases, pause, 4 word phrase, pause.

Not inspiring at all.

I fell aslepp by 9:30 est last night while watching the debate. Nothing happened.

Although I must say. When Hillary and Obama aren't fighting and they're only talking policy, there isn't much of a difference between them. I still remembered how much of a biatch Hillary was, though. It was really all an act last night.

Echoic: Bombardment? I think you're thinking of someone else because I think the only thing I said to you was my "On a truth scale: 10" comment, although I may be wrong. That's all I remember, at least.

Good night to you too :P

Personally, I think that this is the new step of evolution in Trolling. Farker makes several accounts with female names, and then repeatedly posts defending Hillary for no reason other than she's a woman. It has all the perfect elements of a good Fark Troll (Sexism, political jabs, and an air of superiority), too.

Anyone seen SunnyRay lately?

I loved the healthcare debate:

Obama: Everbody can afford my plan, because I'm going to lower health insurance costs.. with magic.

Hillary: My plan is better and I'll lower health care costs and inefficiencies with my magic.

Why on Earth would he want to get stuck in the VP spot? Think of John Nance Garner's description of the value of the job. Then imagine what it would be like to stuck there under both Clintons. Beyond that, Obama looks presidential simply by being one of the last two standing in what appears to be a year the Democrats can win. He was onstage with Clinton last night and frankly looked just as competent, every but as "ready on day one" as she claims to be. It's kind of like the Kennedy/Nixon debate. Nixon may have won on some policy points but Kennedy handled himself well enough to calm people's fears about him and looked presidential.

Don't forget either that the Clintons' attempt to say her vote on the war resolution was a vote for diplomacy is something Democrats just aren't buying this time around. No serious person can believe that vote was about anything other than going to war.

MugzyBrown
I loved the healthcare debate:

Obama: Everbody can afford my plan, because I'm going to lower health insurance costs.. with magic.

Hillary: My plan is better and I'll lower health care costs and inefficiencies with my magic.

LOL

Never trust a lawyer with anything. That includes magic.

Echoic
Juansmith: Could it happen? Absolutely.

Clinton/Obama:
Obama has stated he won't take VP for any administration. He could change his mind, though, granted, but Obama's message is completely contradictory to Clinton's - Obama is all about uniting, and that has nothing in common with Clinton.

Obama/Clinton:
This would be a bad choice for Obama (a unifying figure picking a divisive figure and a figure sponsored by corporate lobbyists) and we all know Hillary would never take vp.

It will never happen. Quote me on it.

That was the whole purpose of last night's circle jerk. Push the whole "dream ticket" thing.

That was the whole purpose of last night's circle jerk. Push the whole "dream ticket" thing.

Not at all. Both candidates know people were getting turned off by all the shenanigans of the last two weeks and they wanted to avoid looking negative. Of course, this doesn't include Bill Clinton. He spent part of yesterday taking shots at Ted Kennedy. You know, Kennedy, that Senator whose endorsement the Clintons wanted so badly up until last week.
No way Obama wants anything to do with these two.

MugzyBrown: Another thing is, where was this smooth-talking Obama? He speaks in 4 word phrases, pause, 4 word phrase, pause.

That was only for about the first 20 minutes or so. He loosened up after that and sounded very good.

This debate was the best one I've seen so far for substantive, but respectful, policy discussion. That level of public discourse (and the crowd loved it!) is sorely needed in modern America. Of course it takes much more than a president to achieve that, but hey, I can dream, right?

/Wolf Blitzer for WH Press Secretary!

DePaul:

Why on Earth would he want to get stuck in the VP spot?

Thanks to Cheney's redefining of the office, being V.P. is now an exotic thing: an executive particle and a legislative wave. It's really quite quantum, Now the vice president is more a Weeping Angel than anything else. You cannot know with certainty where he is and what he's doing and forget about knowing who he's doing what you don't know where you don't know.

Don't blink.

I only hope the study group represents voters as a whole...Link (new window)

Persepolis: Come on, I can't be the only one. Start some noise about this, internet.

They can cross their arms like no other ticket.

Persepolis: strangeguitar: Obama-Clinton

I'd be so psyched about an Obama/Webb Ticket.



Come on, I can't be the only one. Start some noise about this, internet.

No, I've been saying this for awhile. Its awesomeness cannot be overstated. Spread the word!

I have been trying to hate Hillary, but every time I hear her I like her better. I've watched all the debates, republican and democratic, and withhout a doubt she is by far the smartest candidate out there. She makes all the republican candidates look like drooling morons.is it too much to ask to have a president with a high IQ? I don't get farkers sometimes, you guys are usually pretty smart about this stuff, but you completely fail on Hillary. She's not a biatch, she's not a socialist. I think obama would be better for the country right now, but I could live with Hillary.

Trail of Dead: She's not a biatch

I don't think people have a problem with what she does in a debate. It's more the 'win at any cost' outside of the debates that have soured many of us. Things like trying to skirt party rules to pick up delegates, blowing off concession speeches, having her husband play 'attack dog'... While I still may vote for her if she were to win the nomination, I don't think I'd be particularly happy to do so.

Trail of Dead:

I've watched all the debates, republican and democratic, and withhout a doubt she is by far the smartest candidate out there.

FTA:

Clinton emphasized that the nation needed a president ready to go to work on "Day One."

Clinton suggested only she had "the necessary credentials and gravitas" to lead the country in withdrawing from Iraq without endangering U.S. forces or further destabilizing the region. She said it was crucial to bring Syria and Iran to the diplomatic table.

Yes, with genius like that, it's hard to see where the animosity comes from. Besides her "genius", people hate her because she's pretty much the only likely nominee that could fulfill the Democrats' dream of finding yet another way to lose an all-but-guaranteed election.

Trail of Dead I don't get farkers sometimes, you guys are usually pretty smart about this stuff, but you completely fail on Hillary. She's not a biatch, she's not a socialist. I think obama would be better for the country right now, but I could live with Hillary.

I don't think she's either of those things. I do think she's an incredibly divisive figure and much of that has nothing to do with her gender or her policies. She carries with her the promise of more bitter partisanship. That's why Paul Krugman is in her corner.
It's likely all four of the last major contenders have the requisite IQ points by the way. I just don't want to listen to the Clintons' banalities for another four years.

If it is Obama vs McCain, I would have a hard time choosing. Clinton does not get my vote. I would have a hard time voting against a McCain- Mark Sanford ticket. As a fiscal conservative I like the dual stance on reduction in spending that both seem to posess. Sanford would also bring back the conservative base.

And, a Webb choice for VP for Obama is a intriguing choice. I liked watching his toughness in the VA race. Maybe a very good suggestion.

...And that's one of the reasons why I think I will be -- just to finish up this point, I think I will be the Democrat who will be most effective in going up against a John McCain, or any other Republican -- because they all want basically a continuation of George Bush's policies -- because I will offer a clear contrast as somebody who never supported this war, thought it was a bad idea. I don't want to just end the war, but I want to end the mindset that got us into war in the first place...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/31/dem.debate.transcript/

/Obama '08

bamnuke: I would have a hard time voting against a McCain- Mark Sanford ticket.

You'd really vote for a guy who admits he doesn't understand the economy right while we're in our current state of affairs? I mean, we voted for a guy who didn't understand the economy last time, when we thought it was strong. And see where we are 8 years later...do you really want to do the same thing?

bamnuke: If it is Obama vs McCain, I would have a hard time choosing. Clinton does not get my vote. I would have a hard time voting against a McCain- Mark Sanford ticket. As a fiscal conservative I like the dual stance on reduction in spending that both seem to posess. Sanford would also bring back the conservative base.

And, a Webb choice for VP for Obama is a intriguing choice. I liked watching his toughness in the VA race. Maybe a very good suggestion.

Webb would be an awesome choice. Moderate Southern Democrat, Senator, former Navy Secretary (under Reagan!). I think that ticket would be damn near unstoppable.

Mark Sanford is Ron Paul-lite. Seriously. He could probably attract some of the moderately libertarian wing of the Republicans.