That's just what we need: yet more paranoia to throw on the Ron Paul bonfire.

Ron Paul is sooooo last month.

I'm a Mickey Mouse fan. And he has as good a chance as Paul of becoming President someday.

who the f**k is Ron Paul?

/not serious
//seriously
///but who actually gives a shiat?

I can has polees state?

WHAT THE fark?

No, seriously. The officer was _not_ threatening to shoot the canvasser. He said that he'd need a solicitor's license. When the student said that he would continue in violation of that regulation, the officer said, "I hope you don't get shot," implying that the good citizenry of South Carolina wasn't going to enjoy having their privacy interrupted so a student could tell them all about how Ron Paul's tears bring puppies back to life.

The article is... well, it's terrible! It sacrifices journalistic objectivity on the altar of anti-Ron Paul paranoia. Listen, there is no great conspiracy to keep Ron Paul out of politics. It's just that he's a libertarian, and in a rare move of communal brilliance, the American people realize that the libertarian platform is untenable, antisocial and immoral.

This has to be one of the best out-of-context quotes I've ever seen.

At least where I live, political canvassers are exempt from solicitation restrictions and the No-Call List.

Kind of irritating, but that's the way the cookie crumbles ;)

Why do Americans hate freedom?

Lets see, rural Iowa in the winter, some D-bag with a Ron Paul sticker on his coat knocks on your door and rants about 9/11 and the Revolution to come. And the Cop thinks Mr. Ron Paul supporter might get shot... by the home owner? I have to side with the Cop on that one.

/Brother is a Cop in Rural Iowa
//He has never shot a Ron Paul supporter

OK, I read the headline and thought, "Who the heck is still a Paul McCartney fan these days?"

/only two beers, I swear.

Zoinks!: OK, I read the headline and thought, "Who the heck is still a Paul McCartney fan these days?"

QFT

/George FTW
//"Blue Jay Way" was playing as I read this thread

BKITU: "Blue Jay Way" was playing as I read this thread

And your friends have lost their way?

"Even if he doesn't though there's zero chance that he'll win, he's gotten the issues out there."

FTF the Paulistas

Guys, you'd get a lot less "hate" and a lot more people listening to the ideas the man has if you'd stop coming off like deluded cultists telling us the Mothership is coming to save us all tomorrow.

Your guy will NOT win. In fact, even if he ran as an independent, he'd garner less than 8% of the vote right now. You could have 9 YEARS until the election instead of 9 months, and he STILL couldn't up that to an electable number.

Stop acting like you're supporting some sort of dark-horse cinderella who's going to pull off a miracle at 2 minutes to midnight and start exploring and appreciating the man's IDEAS.

If you did that, then maybe whatever good ideas he has might start to take hold, instead of being lost in the clutter of the nonsensical Paulista zealots who refuse to see reality.

The police officer told Wood he needed a solicitor's license to canvass for Ron Paul, and Wood politely denied the statement.

The police have no legal restriction on lying to you. Plus, there are so many laws, most cops don't know plenty of them, and this sounds like the cop was making it up.

Zoinks!: OK, I read the headline and thought, "Who the heck is still a Paul McCartney fan these days?"

i thought Paul Simon, personally.

/only two beers, I swear.

no beers, sober.

As long as I can shoot political canvassers for candidates I dislike, I feel it's a fair trade.

Bring back the Articles of Confederation!!!!

What if the Paul supporter was paid fair price to get shot first? Would that change the equation?

torch: The police officer told Wood he needed a solicitor's license to canvass for Ron Paul, and Wood politely denied the statement.

The police have no legal restriction on lying to you. Plus, there are so many laws, most cops don't know plenty of them, and this sounds like the cop was making it up.

QFT

There is no law about going door to door to promote a political candidate. Granted, walking into a neighborhood that has a giant no solicitors sign may not be your best target, but all this article proves is that this supporter seemed to know more about his constitutional rights than the police officer did. Which is pretty scary.

/Lucky he didn't get tazed

Bull Connor would be proud.

Well, the 2nd Amendment is looking better and better these days. Do America a favor and fight the pigs.

torch: The police officer told Wood he needed a solicitor's license to canvass for Ron Paul, and Wood politely denied the statement.

The police have no legal restriction on lying to you. Plus, there are so many laws, most cops don't know plenty of them, and this sounds like the cop was making it up.

Not to mention that if this was a regulation the Mormon church would have this law challenged and thrown out before you could say Moroni.

Guys, guys, guys... let's talk Constitutional law about canvassing for a minute.

Municipalities, neighborhoods, etc. can regulate when and where you can engage in canvassing activities... it's called a reasonable time, place and manner restriction. A TPM restriction is valid iff it is content-neutral (i.e., the ordinance forbids all canvassing or soliciting, not just that by Paul supporters), if it is narrowly tailored to serve a significant governmental interest (i.e., supporters have to get a permit so that the city knows they'll be out doing this to prevent annoyed homeowners from retaliating) and it leaves open alternative channels of communication (i.e., Paul supporters can write letters to the local paper or speak at a public forum).

Lane83:
The article is... well, it's terrible! It sacrifices journalistic objectivity on the altar of anti-Ron Paul paranoia. Listen, there is no great conspiracy to keep Ron Paul out of politics. It's just that he's a libertarian, and in a rare move of communal brilliance, the American people realize that the libertarian platform is untenable, antisocial and immoral.

Slow down, there. It's a puff piece from a college newspaper about what students were doing over winter break. There's enough evidence in there to infer that the writer barely knows who Ron Paul is. And apparently CBS News didn't do any additional editing.

There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.
- James Madison

Experience should teach us to be most on guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficent...the greatest dangers to liberty lurk in the insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.
-U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

Lane83: Guys, guys, guys... let's talk Constitutional law about canvassing for a minute.

Municipalities, neighborhoods, etc. can regulate when and where you can engage in canvassing activities... it's called a reasonable time, place and manner restriction. A TPM restriction is valid iff it is content-neutral (i.e., the ordinance forbids all canvassing or soliciting, not just that by Paul supporters), if it is narrowly tailored to serve a significant governmental interest (i.e., supporters have to get a permit so that the city knows they'll be out doing this to prevent annoyed homeowners from retaliating) and it leaves open alternative channels of communication (i.e., Paul supporters can write letters to the local paper or speak at a public forum).


No, no, no. You have this all wrong. The canvasser is a MARTYR for the CONSTITUTION, speaking TRUTH to POWER against the POLICE-STATE that allows ABORTIONS and FIAT MONEY and THE FED to ruin our LIBERTARIAN PARADISE that the CONSTITUTION promises in the form of a GOLD STANDARD and INTERNATIONAL ISOLATION and FREE WEED.

But what would you know? You're just a SHEEP voting for HuMcbamatonney.

I wonder if the guys holding Ron Paul signs outside the Dem's debate will get shot...

The_OcO: There is no law about going door to door to promote a political candidate.

No federal law, perhaps. Plenty of local.

"You just watch yourself."

ceejayoz: No federal law, perhaps. Plenty of local.

So Ron Paul would have no problem with this.

Aarontology: So Ron Paul would have no problem with this.

That's how I read his policies, yeah. Ugh.

Didn't we settle this crap in 1865?

Hoopy Frood: Slow down, there. It's a puff piece from a college newspaper about what students were doing over winter break. There's enough evidence in there to infer that the writer barely knows who Ron Paul is. And apparently CBS News didn't do any additional editing.

Sir, you will not be allowed to ruin a perfectly good anti-libertarian tirade. If you wish to berate me, fine. But at least wait until after I've flashed a hammer and sickle at as many libertarians as possible. I want them weeping into their copies of The Fountainhead, gnashing their teeth and rending their clothing before midnight.

inTheJungle: No, no, no. You have this all wrong. The canvasser is a MARTYR for the CONSTITUTION, speaking TRUTH to POWER against the POLICE-STATE that allows ABORTIONS and FIAT MONEY and THE FED to ruin our LIBERTARIAN PARADISE that the CONSTITUTION promises in the form of a GOLD STANDARD and INTERNATIONAL ISOLATION and FREE WEED.

You know, every time I read one of these Ron Paul threads lately, all I see are people who aren't Paul supporters complaining about what the overzealous Paul supporters are supposedly doing. There isn't even anybody in this thread doing this.

I realize that some Paul supporters have been annoying in making posts like that (although you probably acknowledge that your impersonation is a slight exaggeration) but I don't think they are representative of all Paul supporters, they just happen to be the loudest. And this is a result of some people who don't have much experience in political debate starting to find their voice because they found a candidate they could get excited about. Is that SUCH a bad thing?

I'd rather discuss the man's ideas than sit here and scream about you guys wanting to wipe your asses with the Constitution just because you don't see eye to eye with Ron Paul. But it seems most of you guys would rather discuss Ron Paul's supporters than his ideas. That kinda sucks.

ceejayoz: Aarontology: So Ron Paul would have no problem with this.

That's how I read his policies, yeah. Ugh.
Didn't we settle this crap in 1865?

Wait, so Paul *should* have a problem with this?

Nate57Dawg: inTheJungle: No, no, no. You have this all wrong. The canvasser is a MARTYR for the CONSTITUTION, speaking TRUTH to POWER against the POLICE-STATE that allows ABORTIONS and FIAT MONEY and THE FED to ruin our LIBERTARIAN PARADISE that the CONSTITUTION promises in the form of a GOLD STANDARD and INTERNATIONAL ISOLATION and FREE WEED.

You know, every time I read one of these Ron Paul threads lately, all I see are people who aren't Paul supporters complaining about what the overzealous Paul supporters are supposedly doing. There isn't even anybody in this thread doing this.

I realize that some Paul supporters have been annoying in making posts like that (although you probably acknowledge that your impersonation is a slight exaggeration) but I don't think they are representative of all Paul supporters, they just happen to be the loudest. And this is a result of some people who don't have much experience in political debate starting to find their voice because they found a candidate they could get excited about. Is that SUCH a bad thing?

I'd rather discuss the man's ideas than sit here and scream about you guys wanting to wipe your asses with the Constitution just because you don't see eye to eye with Ron Paul. But it seems most of you guys would rather discuss Ron Paul's supporters than his ideas. That kinda sucks.

Crazytown. Let me introduce you to it (new window).

Nate57Dawg: I'd rather discuss the man's ideas than sit here and scream about you guys wanting to wipe your asses with the Constitution just because you don't see eye to eye with Ron Paul. But it seems most of you guys would rather discuss Ron Paul's supporters than his ideas. That kinda sucks.

Well, that's what it seems many of his supporters say when you disagree with Ron Paul.

ceejayoz: That's how I read his policies, yeah. Ugh.

Didn't we settle this crap in 1865?

The year 1865 is not mentioned in the Constitution.

Nate57Dawg: You know, every time I read one of these Ron Paul threads lately, all I see are people who aren't Paul supporters complaining about what the overzealous Paul supporters are supposedly doing. There isn't even anybody in this thread doing this.

That's because they're all laying low so no one can mock their predictions of Paul's electoral glory now that he's flopped in the primaries.

Snarfangel: Wait, so Paul *should* have a problem with this?

Yes. A true libertarian should oppose state and local tyranny, not just Federal. That's why people call Paul a neoconfederate instead.

SpinStopper 2008-01-31 07:08:48 PM
At least where I live, political canvassers are exempt from solicitation restrictions and the No-Call List.

Funny story. Only 8 people in congress voted against the do-not-call list. Guess who that includes?

Link

ceejayoz: That's because they're all laying low so no one can mock their predictions of Paul's electoral glory now that he's flopped in the primaries.

So you guys just mock them anyway when they're not here?

And I don't know if flopped is the right word. Yes, he certainly didn't live up to what some of his louder supporters were predicting, but, considering how well known he was a year ago, I'd say he's done extremely well, especially considering how well his contemporaries of similar notoriety (namely Hunter and Tancredo) have done.

Lane83: Hoopy Frood: Slow down, there. It's a puff piece from a college newspaper about what students were doing over winter break. There's enough evidence in there to infer that the writer barely knows who Ron Paul is. And apparently CBS News didn't do any additional editing.

Sir, you will not be allowed to ruin a perfectly good anti-libertarian tirade. If you wish to berate me, fine. But at least wait until after I've flashed a hammer and sickle at as many libertarians as possible. I want them weeping into their copies of The Fountainhead, gnashing their teeth and rending their clothing before midnight.

All righty. Proceed...

Nate57Dawg: So you guys just mock them anyway when they're not here?

It's pretty entertaining, whether they're actively posting or just reading and fuming impotently.

And I don't know if flopped is the right word.

Arguments were made ad nauseum that Paul had extra uncounted support amongst Democrats and independents, people with cell phones only, that his moneybombs predicted electoral success, etc.

There are undoubtedly realistic Paul fans, but they're not very (countably) numerous here.

Stereotypes. Oh, yeah, they're great stuff.

All blacks are dumb.
Women can't be successful in the workplace.
All hispanics are illegal aliens.
All gays have AIDS.
All Paul supports are douchebags.

Your hypocrisy, let me show you it.

ceejayoz: There are undoubtedly realistic Paul fans, but they're not very (countably) numerous here.

Point taken. I think maybe I'm just lamenting that the unrealistic ones have kept some people from seriously considering his policy ideas. Don't get me wrong, I realize that a lot of people here on Fark have actually considered them and rejected them.

I still hope he runs on the LP ticket. The best scenario would be if Paul got more votes in the general election than the difference between the major party candidates, especially in the event of a Democratic victory. Maybe then the Republican party would get a bit more serious about the issues of cutting spending and civil liberties, which they now pay lip service to but don't really respect.

sarcastrophe: Stereotypes. Oh, yeah, they're great stuff.

All blacks are dumb.
Women can't be successful in the workplace.
All hispanics are illegal aliens.
All gays have AIDS.
All Paul supports are douchebags.

Your hypocrisy, let me show you it.

You forgot, All conservatives are Nazis

inTheJungle:
Crazytown. Let me introduce you to it (new window).

In case you didn't know, you are under no obligation to visit a site meant solely for Ron Paul supporters if you hate them so much. Just a little tip for you whiny morons out there.

/Also, only an idiot wouldn't be a libertarian
//Most people are idiots
///---> .: Paul has no chance

deltabourne: /Also, only an idiot wouldn't be a libertarian
//Most people are idiots
///---> .: Paul has no chance

Way to go. You just demonstrated their whole point.

Nate57Dawg: ceejayoz: There are undoubtedly realistic Paul fans, but they're not very (countably) numerous here.

Point taken. I think maybe I'm just lamenting that the unrealistic ones have kept some people from seriously considering his policy ideas. Don't get me wrong, I realize that a lot of people here on Fark have actually considered them and rejected them.

I still hope he runs on the LP ticket. The best scenario would be if Paul got more votes in the general election than the difference between the major party candidates, especially in the event of a Democratic victory. Maybe then the Republican party would get a bit more serious about the issues of cutting spending and civil liberties, which they now pay lip service to but don't really respect.

The scenario you've laid out is exactly what I'm hoping for.. a GOP loss to the Democrats due in part to Ron Paul running as a third party candidate. It's the kick in the ass that the Republican party needs and deserves for turning into the American Taliban.

I have just one question: what is a suburb of South Carolina?

FarkOf40000Years: I have just one question: what is a suburb of South Carolina?

Good question. I always thought that South Carolina was a suburb of Georgia myself.