I knew it had to be this song :D

No, he's put out nothing that is good.

The West Side and Please Don't Ask FTW.

Phil is #1

"Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite."

He's always gonna look like the Gerber baby, no matter how old he gets.

Kickass song... but you just have to wonder what kind of stress you gotta be feeling to be Phil's drummer.

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Goddamn it, I came here to post that.

LonMead: Kickass song... but you just have to wonder what kind of stress you gotta be feeling to be Phil's drummer.

I think Chester Thompson's OK with being 'Phil's' drummer...especially having played with Weather Report and Frank Zappa. He could play Phil's stuff underwater...methinks he did it for a steady paycheck.

anal brazil men:
One of my favorite scenes in one of my favorite movies set to one of my favorite artists... too much.

Phil has done some great work, Gabriel has put out some great work. They've both done aweful terrible unmentionable work.

So like Miles once said, "music is like food: take what you like and leave the rest." That's how I listen to Phil.

hmm angry im not so sure.

chester's definitely one of the best out there, but he's playing in the style of another master. i've heard stories of amazing drummers trying to nail some of phil's more difficult patterns and being frustrated as all hell. no really, eat the asshole.

Millzners:

"Phil has done some great work, Gabriel has put out some great work. They've both done awful terrible unmentionable work."

I can't really think of anything from Gabriel that would fall under the "awful terrible unmentionable" umbrella. His material has it's ups & downs like any other artist, but I think most of his output has been brilliant.

Phil on the other hand, great musician though he is, and a likable guy, has recorded some true crap. Basically, anything after "Hello I Must Be Going" is varying shades of brown in it's crapitude.

I was expecting it to be "another day in paradise"

/his best song.

I forgot my ritalin this morning so I'm definitely not getting a kick out of this song.

One of my favorite Phil songs:
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Lip-synced to the studio version, but I always like how Phil takes lip syncing so seriously. It's that extra bit of professionalism that makes the difference.

Genesis - The Musical Box 1972

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W35wtfcByIY

/where phil should have stayed
//behind the drums

Not his best song, but definitely his best video.
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GibbyTheMole: Millzners:

"Phil has done some great work, Gabriel has put out some great work. They've both done awful terrible unmentionable work."

I can't really think of anything from Gabriel that would fall under the "awful terrible unmentionable" umbrella. His material has it's ups & downs like any other artist, but I think most of his output has been brilliant.

Phil on the other hand, great musician though he is, and a likable guy, has recorded some true crap. Basically, anything after "Hello I Must Be Going" is varying shades of brown in it's crapitude.

You may be right about Gabriel, maybe I'm being overly critical, but some of that 'world music' he's done makes me cringe. It just reaks of someone imitating the flavor of African or Afro Cuban or Middle Eastern rhythms while trying to make it palletable to the middle-aged suburb-dwelling generation... for me it's cringeworthy because I really love the styles and genres I feel he's doing a poor imitation of.

artman: /where phil should have stayed
//behind the drums

The first song out of the gate after Pete left should get you right off that notion.

Please... no mo.

Post-Gabriel, Pre-Thompson. Most drumming talent in one band at the same time ever.

Good song, from his second solo album. I remember some reviewer talking about how angry the album is.. still pissed about his first wife leaving him.

I was a huge fan of Genesis and Phil in the late 80's and early 90's, and still have a lot of Genesis in iTunes. (most of my Phil Collins albums are still in cassette form only)

wee: No, he's put out nothing that is good.

dont be ghey.

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dammit, subby, IMHO that's one of the very worst songs he's ever written for a solo record.
I like most of "Face Value" and "Hello I must be Going", but "No Jacket" is where he started to "slip", and "But seriously" is almost unlistenable [except for "I wish it would rain", Clapton FTW].

LL Bean J
That is completely true! [golf clap!]
Collins and Bruford FTW. Two of my very favourite 70's drummers.
In one band. [nerdgasm]

jigoro
but I always like how Phil takes lip syncing so seriously
There's a spot in "Paper Late" and "No reply at all" where he misses a line / or says it away from the mic...
in "No Reply" he KNOWS he screwed up, and you can see it in his face right afterward, he was all "gosh-darn" about it. It's kinda funny.

Anybody else think that Phil had a pretty good "stage presence" around 1976-1980? [i mean, not as charismatic or as 'weird' as Gabriel was]. I think he was a good actor too, [he's been in a few tv shows, and a movie or two].
Anybody else think that Peter Gabriel would've been an interesting actor in a movie?
And also anybody else wish that "The Lamb" was made into a movie in the 70's?
or do you think that would've spoiled it, like the "Tommy" movie spoiled the original album [and possibly the finer details of the concept/plot as well?] ??

Third_Uncle_Eno: Anybody else think that Phil had a pretty good "stage presence" around 1976-1980?

Phil knows how to work a crowd, always did. A lot of the early success in '76-77 is the fans giving the new lead singer the benefit of the doubt seeing as the band "promoted from within" after testing out about 400 other singers.

Smartest thing Genesis ever did was making "Dance on a Volcano" the first song on the first album after Peter left.

Gulper Eel
I think i remember reading in a Genesis book a while ago that their first gig after Gabriel left, was in 76, in Toronto, i think.
Phil said he was really nervous cause he wasn't entirely sure if he could fill Gabriel's shoes, leader singer wise. I think he also said the audience was mostly encouraging and appreciative towards him and the group. Which was good. [maybe a few hecklers, tho, you never know...]

guy 1 : "Hey Peter, your mother eats sh*t!!"
peter [slightly stunned and taken aback]: "My mother does not eat Sh*t!".
FTW!!!
[YA RLY! i saw it on a website somewhere, and i think it's on one of the B**tlegs i have...maybe...]
Then there's that great one on "The Great Deceiver Box Set" of King Crimson, 1973-74. :::
guy 1 - "Bruford had breakfast at Fripp's!!"
guy 2 - "Bullsh*t!!"

ahh.... early 70's prog rock hecklers...FTL? or FTW?

Third_Uncle_Eno

Check out the second Genesis box set ('76-'92) and play "Man on The Corner". As the drum machine plods on, you can CLEARLY hear some guy a few rows back yelling, "Where the rest of the band?"

Third_Uncle_Eno: guy 1 : "Hey Peter, your mother eats sh*t!!"
peter [slightly stunned and taken aback]: "My mother does not eat Sh*t!".
FTW!!!
[YA RLY! i saw it on a website somewhere, and i think it's on one of the B**tlegs i have...maybe...]

Tony Banks should have handled the comeback line, just once. People would be so stunned that he actually said something on stage that they'd be speechless.

I got to cover the reunion press conference last March, and Tony had all the funny lines but he was so dry and British about it the press wasn't sure whether or not he was making wisecracks.

/Phil Collins on bagpipes

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heh. thanks. I Lol'd. I don't blame him....i don't like that song either...it's like a phil collins solo song escaped from the dungeon and snuck onto a Genesis record [abacab].

Gulper Eel
yeah. tony may sing a little bit [back up vocals] on stage, but i haven't heard him say a single thing, just like you said. He also almost never smiles. He's like the John Entwhistle of keyboards.
And no capes either. [i'm looking at YOU, Rick Wakeman!]

got to cover the reunion press conference last March
OMFG!! SRSLY? You rock! are you a journalist of some sort?
So what were they like in person? [phil, tony, mike]

i F***ing hate bagpipes, but that was pretty damn cool!
thanks.

LL Bean J: Post-Gabriel, Pre-Thompson. Most drumming talent in one band at the same time ever.

I wonder if there are any other pictures (anywhere) of a person wearing a Minnesota North Stars jersey with a boot on his shoulder?

Here's a great performance of Hand In Hand featuring Lee Sklar goodness.(new window)

Happy Birthday, Phil. Now when's another great post-divorce LP coming out?

/He suffers so we don't have to
/I love Phil Collins
/I've got two ears and a heart, don't I?

Peter Gabriel sucks.

Boring pretensiousness pretending to be clever.

F**k clever.

Third_Uncle_Eno: And no capes either. [i'm looking at YOU, Rick Wakeman!]

This is why Edna Mode prefers Genesis to Yes.

OMFG!! SRSLY? You rock! are you a journalist of some sort?

Journalist is far too grand a term. I only rock when I'm trying to get the minivan out of a snowbank.

Normally I wouldn't have been able to go to the city for the press conference, but I happened to be on vacation that week and I figured it was a chance to cover something fun for a change.

So what were they like in person? [phil, tony, mike]

Pretty relaxed, about what you'd expect. No pretense. Like they'd never taken 15 years off.

The event I really wanted to cover but didn't was the Audio Engineering Society convention in NYC a few months ago. There was a company there selling exact replicas of the recording shed Peter Gabriel has in his back yard. Very nice if you've got a quarter-mil lying around. And Peter was in the shed doing one-on-one interviews.

Third_Uncle_Eno:
And also anybody else wish that "The Lamb" was made into a movie in the 70's?
Peter wrote a script! And has been talking about making it a movie for years. But he's also been talking about making a theme park in Barcelona with Brian Eno. And releasing another album. Sigh.

RockIsDead: Peter Gabriel sucks.

Boring pretensiousness pretending to be clever.

F**k clever.

Oh hey, I remember you. You're the guy with the "look at all these types of non-rock music I like, therefore I am far more hip than thou" profile! How are ya?

Here's my pick.
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"Why does that song always play?"

Ah Happy Birthday to Phil, a great drummer and a damn fine songwriter, and pretty funny guy too.

I remember when I was living in Toronto I saw a quote from Phil on a sign outside a radio station that said something like, "I never knew until quite recently how many people don't like me!"

I thought it was a little sad and a lot funny.

hibouface: Third_Uncle_Eno:
And also anybody else wish that "The Lamb" was made into a movie in the 70's?
Peter wrote a script! And has been talking about making it a movie for years. But he's also been talking about making a theme park in Barcelona with Brian Eno. And releasing another album. Sigh.

He was writing a movie with William Friedkin (The Exorcist director), and the tension involved with his decision to do so was part of the reason he left the band; evidently, the others were pretty pissed off about it.

Third_Uncle_Eno: Anybody else think that Phil had a pretty good "stage presence" around 1976-1980? [i mean, not as charismatic or as 'weird' as Gabriel was]. I think he was a good actor too, [he's been in a few tv shows, and a movie or two].

IIRC, he actually was an actor before he was a drummer; he'd been in a production of Oliver Twist as a kid, and in (at least) some BBC show called "Calamity the Cow." (Clips of this one were shown in one of the many Genesis documentaries.)

Gulper Eel: I got to cover the reunion press conference last March, and Tony had all the funny lines but he was so dry and British about it the press wasn't sure whether or not he was making wisecracks.

Genesis hosted "Friday Night Videos" one evening, and I remember Banks introducing a Rod Stewart video with "...and now, the man with only one good side--Rod Stewart." It was the first time I'd ever heard him actually speak.

Was in Barnes & Noble earlier tonight, and spent about ten minutes paging through the new Genesis book (Genesis: Chapter and Verse.) Hard to believe, but Banks and Gabriel routinely got into shouting matches during rehearsals and writing sessions.

It was also fun reading Bruford's lengthy apology to the others in the band for his behavior on the '76 tour.

/a pretty ggod book, at least from the bit that I read
//have to sell some plasma to afford it

When I say stop, continue.

Jesus he knows me is one of the few that I liked, I did hear that it got black-listed in the US for being a bit too close to the mark ?

GypsyJoker
IIRC, he actually was an actor before he was a drummer; he'd been in a production of Oliver Twist as a kid, and in (at least) some BBC show called "Calamity the Cow." (Clips of this one were shown in one of the many Genesis documentaries.)

Actually, I *did* know that.... lol. Thanks anyway :-P :-)

Must...look at....or buy....or rent from library....that Genesis book....

It was also fun reading Bruford's lengthy apology to the others in the band for his behavior on the '76 tour.

Bwahahaha. And i thought he was a square! [do you mean drinking and partying type behavior? or just plain being an ass?]
Sounds like an interesting section that i should read.

The Best Of Phil Collins is an oxymoron.

I loved Phils drumming on Unorthodox Behaviour & Moroccan Roll with Brand X. What he did with Genesis after Peter was OK at first and slid down fast into top 40 machinery IMO.

Read a thing from Phil about Bill Bruford. Phil said about his own drumming that he just played and its was more a impulse/reaction/by memory. He was impressed with Bill Bruford who was writing it down. Bruford is more than a drummer.. he's taught himself to be a composer too....but as a drummer Bill's light years ahead on many of the concepts with drumming. And its more than about speed too, even though he has plenty of that. Sometimes I break down a roll he did like on Starless and Bible Black and it reads like good poetry.... hard to explain, but true for me at least.

Still I'd seek out those 2 Brand X CDs for a taste of what Phil once was...a drummer. He went for making money...which I don;t blame him for at all.

BTW Phils write too... its just he's aiming at making a living.... more pop song writer, not musicians musician such as Bill Bruford.