Sit down, old man.

I would definitely say that he has lost his statesman role in the world at least for now. Now he's just a dirt politician rolling around in the dirty.

The sad part is he is willing to tarnish it so he can get back in the White House. What did he think, we will all join him in bashing the black guy and hope moderates and independents will take Hillary to the white house?

I think what Bill doesn't realize is that a lot of people who liked him died in the last eight years and a lot of people who were indifferent or even liked him are now becoming politically aware and rethinking their youthful enthusiasm for the dude. The future writers of history will judge Bill not on his presidency but on what he is doing now

Mistah Scrotie: I think what Bill doesn't realize is that a lot of people who liked him died in the last eight years and a lot of people who were indifferent or even liked him are now becoming politically aware and rethinking their youthful enthusiasm for the dude. The future writers of history will judge Bill not on his presidency but on what he is doing now

8 years ago? Think 16. The people who voted for him in 1992 aren't around anymore. A lot of them, at least.

He's the past. Obama is the future and it's driving Bill farking nuts.

He's a nasty piece of work, that's for sure.

hilarous

Please shut up. Clinton's legacy has nothing to do with being a black president. It has everything to do with leaving our country in better shape than it was when he entered office.

What does that say about bush?

I was a Clinton supporter all along, from 1992, when I voted for him, until one or two weeks ago. My opinion of him has turned 180 degrees. I feel profound disappointment. I thought he was better than this.

/will get my revenge by voting for the better man on February 19
//08ama

EwoksSuck: He's the past. Obama is the future and it's driving Bill farking nuts.

Yep. A lot of folks have been saying that Bill has "gotten into Obama's head", but I think it might just be the other way around.

Hillary Sends Bill on Campaign Trip to Antarctica (new window)

I'm curious as to how Hillary's convincing him to act like this. I just find it hard to believe that Bill would just suddenly start acting like such a douche and sacrifice his own image purely out of a desire to help Hilary's campaign.

jcooli09 Quote 2008-01-27 01:49:33 PM
Please shut up. Clinton's legacy has nothing to do with being a black president. It has everything to do with leaving our country in better shape than it was when he entered office.

What does that say about bush?


Bush will go down as one of hte absolute worst presidents of all time.


But that doesn't change the fact that Bill is hurting his legacy right now. He won't drag it down to Bush's level, but that doesn't mean what he is doing is smart.

I mean, dirty politics are not the role of an elder statesmen. George HW Bush did not come out and bash McCain in 2000. Former presidents aren't supposed to tear their party apart.

Krymore: I'm curious as to how Hillary's convincing him to act like this. I just find it hard to believe that Bill would just suddenly start acting like such a douche and sacrifice his own image purely out of a desire to help Hilary's campaign.

You were obviously either too young or too naive in the 90s.

Mistah Scrotie: I think what Bill doesn't realize is that a lot of people who liked him died in the last eight years and a lot of people who were indifferent or even liked him are now becoming politically aware and rethinking their youthful enthusiasm for the dude. The future writers of history will judge Bill not on his presidency but on what he is doing now

I was 17 the last Clinton was elected and pretty politically aware (actually I was in the young republicans, jesus what was I on.) I paid a lot of attention to the last four years of Bill and came away thinking he would do pretty good things for America in the world during his retirement.
I can no longer look at him as a statesman or representative of American sentiment. The guy is only and forever after will only be a politician. He is trying to swap his legacy for returning power. He might get his power back, but the respect is dead Jim.

Bill Frist: But that doesn't change the fact that Bill is hurting his legacy right now. He won't drag it down to Bush's level, but that doesn't mean what he is doing is smart.

I mean, dirty politics are not the role of an elder statesmen. George HW Bush did not come out and bash McCain in 2000. Former presidents aren't supposed to tear their party apart.

But like bush has tied his legacy to Iraq, Bill has tied his legacy to Hillary. They all end up hitching their wagons to the biggest horse they can find.

Despite his huge margin of victory, Obama captured just a quarter of white voters.

Huzzah to John Edwards fer staying in the race and splitting the white racist vote!

(And No, not saying that every white person who voted for Hillary or Edwards was a Klan member-- just some of them, C'mon it's South Carolina fer Fark's sake)

The only county Edwards mananged to win outright was the one he was born in. In the 2004 primary he won SC but in the 2004 General he and Kerry lost it. Still think Biden would make a stronger Veep candidate fer Obama, despite Edwards positioning himself as Kingmaker.

All that sed... Woo Hoo! Twere Quatchi's birfday yesterday and an Obama win in SC was the best present I coulda recieved.

Obama '08 Oh Yeah!

Nonsense.

Actually, if you watch the video it's pretty clear that the sign was being held up by a supporter in the crowd, not by Bill.

/Why is it so hard for people to look at their own signs?
//Doesn't make Bill any less of an ass.

quatchi: Twere Quatchi's birfday yesterday

Happy birthday brother!

Mr. Xhin: The Media just can let go of any opportunity to smear Bill Clinton.

Repeal the 22 Amendment. Re-elect Bill!!!

If by "media" you mean "vast right wing conspiracy"

/as someone who's met Bill a number of times I would definitely vote for him again though. Hes incredibly intelligent and visionary.

// do you think if hilary doesn't get it they are going to start priming chelsea?

When you strip away all of the trappings and smiles, you are left for seeing the Clintons for what they are. The most calculating, politically devious, nakedly ambitious, power-hungry couple at the table. That's why they win. The Clintons are not amateurs at this, they are the heavyweights and they've been winning for darn near 30 years.

You may be dazzled by their charisma, but they'd cut their own daughter's throat on live TV if they thought it would give them 5 points in the polls. Hillary waded through years of shiate while Bill screwed everything that wasn't nailed down and she did it with a smile on her face. Why? Power.

Race-baiting? That's nothing to them. Simply another weapon in the arsenal. They planned it and executed it without thinking twice. Legacy? Who cares? Power is what counts. Winning is what counts. No one remembers the losers. Losers don't get the chance to have a legacy to worry about.

Krymore: I'm curious as to how Hillary's convincing him to act like this. I just find it hard to believe that Bill would just suddenly start acting like such a douche and sacrifice his own image purely out of a desire to help Hilary's campaign.

I can't remember who said it (I think I saw it here on Fark), but I heard an interesting theory. Bill is playing bad cop, Hillary is playing good cop.

That's an interesting (and very plausible) theory.

I heard an author tell a story about seeing Bill Clinton having dinner with Victor Yushenko right around the time of Pope John Paul's funeral. Makes me suspect he still has a lot of pull.

Personally I don't care for either Clinton but this is the usual campaign bullshiat and it will pass with time.

\actually it makes me wonder: is Bill trying to undermine Hillary?

quatchi: Huzzah to John Edwards fer staying in the race and splitting the white racist vote!

This is why I think Edwards is still in the race, he wants to split the white vote with hillary and in return wants to be attorney general

/OBAMA 08!
//huge endorsements from the Kennedys today, the best is yet to come

quatchi Quote 2008-01-27 01:56:37 PM
Despite his huge margin of victory, Obama captured just a quarter of white voters.

OTOH, Obama won the white vote amongst young poeple and he TIED Clinton for the white male vote (edwards won it, but Obama and Hillary tied).

I think people are distorting the resaults here to a degree.

As ex-presidents go, Clinton is turning out to be pretty farking bad. All in the last two weeks. Let's go back 40 years for the sake of comparison:

JFK - never got the chance
LBJ - knew his time was up, bowed out gracefully without seeking re-election, and had the courtesy to die soon after
Nixon - wrote a lot of books, actually got rehabilitated to some degree (though not to a great degree); became somewhat of an elder statesman
Carter - builds houses for poor people, criticizes the worst president in living memory incessantly. What's not to love? Had a failed presidency by almost any measure, but BEST EX-PRESIDENT EVAR!11!!!!
Reagan - before the big "A" silenced him, he was gracious and dignified
Bush 41 - can't really complain, seems like a good guy
Clinton - intra-partisan attack dog, diminishing the hopes of his party to replace the worst president we have seen in many lifetimes by leveling attacks on a fellow democrat whose policies are nearly identical to that of his wife's in order to ensure 8 more years of chances to get a hummer in the oval office. Talk about selfish....

/again, O8ama!

I guess I should say Clinton "replace(s) the party of worst president we have seen in many lifetimes".

Romney 08.

FTA: "As a warning to Clinton, just 77 percent said they would be satisfied with her as the nominee. "

how is that a warning? how is that a bad thing? isnt 77 a good number for support?

/confused

Talk to someone from Arkansas who has been in politics for a while. See if they are the least bit surprised at any of this.

Please tell me how either of them have been racially bashing anyone? That is such bull. That doesn't come close to the sexism of Obama making comments that "just because you have tea with a diplomats wife doesnt mean you have real experience". Oh yeah? Whos been a senator longer Obama? kiiiillllll yourself.

/not voting for a sexist defender of a slum lord with no experience.

HappyDaddy: Talk to someone from Arkansas who has been in politics for a while. See if they are the least bit surprised at any of this.

The surprise is running rampant around these here parts.

/Rampant. Rampant, I say!
//Arkansawyer since 1985. Have never voted for a Clinton.

ace in your face:just because you have tea with a diplomats wife doesnt mean you have real experience

You took this comment as a sexist insult to and not the way it was intended - suggesting that close proximity to the White House because one's spouse is president is not the same as having actual experience? Wow...

Whos been a senator longer Obama? kiiiillllll yourself.

Um... Obama has been a senator for much longer.

godofusa.com

Romney 08.

Die.

Polonius_In_Drag: ace in your face:just because you have tea with a diplomats wife doesnt mean you have real experience

You took this comment as a sexist insult to and not the way it was intended - suggesting that close proximity to the White House because one's spouse is president is not the same as having actual experience? Wow...

If you are naive to think that above all the clintons are not a political team- more so than being husband a wife then I guess that wouldn't make sense to you. Accusing her of not having experience just because she was the presidents wife is sexist BECAUSE she has been a senator for much longer than he has. He is saying she is just a presidents wife.

ace in your face I am not suggesting Bill is "racially bashing" anyone (whatever that means). He is acting in a manner I would consider to be un-ex-presidential. There is no dignity in climbing back in the gutter. His target could be Edwards, there would be no difference. It's just below the stature of a former president IMHO.

FTA: And the nasty tactics had another purpose - to knock the candidate of "hope" off the mountaintop and down into the gutters of hardball politics. Forcing the man who has sought to connect himself to the legacy of inspirational leaders of the nation's past (he announced his candidacy in the shadow of Abraham Lincoln) to trade blows and accusations with Bill Clinton on the divisive issue of race only serves to muddy both. And there's some evidence that it worked. Fifty-eight percent of South Carolina voters said they felt Obama unfairly attacked Clinton during the campaign.

Yeah, that pretty much sums up my read on things too. Even if Bill looks bad, he's still able to drag Obama down with him. They don't care if Obama gets support from the Blacks, because they're assuming he'll get that anyway. But anything they can do to make him less appealing to the Whites is a win for them.

Bill Frist: Whos been a senator longer Obama? kiiiillllll yourself.

Um... Obama has been a senator for much longer.

only if you think 2004 comes before 2000

If you are naive to think that above all the clintons are not a political team- more so than being husband a wife then I guess that wouldn't make sense to you. Accusing her of not having experience just because she was the presidents wife is sexist BECAUSE she has been a senator for much longer than he has. He is saying she is just a presidents wife.

A) I'm sure Hillary got some knowledge and contacts and even experience being the first lady.

However, she did not have security clearnence, she was not elected and she she didn't get any true executive experience. Clinton pretending that being a first lady is basically like being president is the only real "fairy tale" going on here.

I think Obama's point was perfectly acceptable and it was not sexist at all. First lady's or first husbands have a role as a figureheads that sip tea with foreign dignitaries and present a face to foreign people. That is there role. It doesn't make Obama sexist to point out that this isn't the same as being an elected official.

b) Obama has been a senator for longer than Clinton.

If you are naive to think that above all the clintons are not a political team

See above post. Gutter politics is beneath him or any former president. I don't care who he wants to be the next president.

I must be so naive - I don't see sexism in Obama's comment which you quoted. Nope. I really don't. I see a retort to Clinton using her eight years in the White House, not her time in the senate, as a justification for her claim of experience on the world stage.

ace in your face Quote 2008-01-27 02:33:11 PM
Bill Frist: Whos been a senator longer Obama? kiiiillllll yourself.

Um... Obama has been a senator for much longer.

only if you think 2004 comes before 2000


um, no. More like, only if YOU think that state senators aren't senators.

Obama was a state senator for a decade before going to the national senate.

I guess this goes to show where losing your head and getting desperate can get you.

In his attempt to discredit Obama and use the usual Clinton cirucs act of "Look at my hand wiggling over here so you don't see what the other hand is doing." Bill has done the opposite of what he intended to do.

By Obama continuously taking the high ground, he has made the Clintons (especially) Bill, look more and more like "the old way" of thinking.

Partisan hackery. To quote Jon Stewart.

Our country is extremely polarized. There are deep divides running through the veins of America.

I would venture to say that all except maybe 25-30% of the country wants the divisions to be gone. As a general rule, people want to work together and get shiat done.

The great empires of history don't fall because of some outside attacking monster that destroys them. The great empires of history fall because they have rotted too much from within.

I disagree with Obama on a few things. But it's not like there is a candiate out there that I 100% agree with everything on.

But I am willing to sacrifice a couple of agreements if it means that the person in charge can bring our country back together again, instead of being in these harshly divided finger pointing groups.

Someone who is a step forward from the current trend of debting and war-mongering ourselves back into the Dark Ages.

He won't be perfect, but then again, no one will. Nice work, Obama.

moriarty23: I was 17 the last Clinton was elected and pretty politically aware .

Today we have so much more information thanks to the internets. It really has changed politics for us citizens.

Tarnished his Legacy?

thalidomide new and improved

You forgot Whitewater scandal and whatever the one thingy with the cattle futures and Hillary was.

For everyone commenting about how brilliant Bill Clinton is, remember that just a few years ago, people were saying the same thing about Karl Rove. What eventually brought Rove down was his narcissistic belief that he was the smartest guy in the room. The "your math vs. THE math" fiasco laid bare to the world that Rove was so blinded by his own perceived brilliance that he was no longer effective as a campaign strategist. While it's too early to say that Bill Clinton has fallen into the same trap, it is clear that the "divide and conquer" strategy employed by the Clintons against Obama failed miserably in S. Carolina. Obama has regained the momentum going into Super Tuesday, proven that he can be a consensus candidate and has picked up a key endorsement from Ted Kennedy. I have a hard time believing that's all part of Bill's cunning plan.