South Carolina rejected this. Thanks for giving me pride in our voters again, SC.

Um, let's see.

Okay, yeah - bullshiat.

I'm glad Obama took SC. All the shiat is comming from Hillary's camp.

Not bloody likely.

Seeing as Hillary will never offer - nor would he accept - a VP position to Obama, yeah, actually, that might be exactly what they are doing now.

A weak Hillary + angry Obama ex-supporterss + disenfranchised base + high negatives of Clinton amongst Democrats AND independants + McCain nomination = GOP in the White House for another 4 year

Tatsuma: A weak Hillary + angry Obama ex-supporterss + disenfranchised base + high negatives of Clinton amongst Democrats AND independants + McCain nomination = GOP in the White House for another 4 year

It's okay, then the GOP could worry about cleaning up the current administration's mess. Granted they will probably blame congress but they also risk fully collapsing their own party.

scruffy1: It's okay, then the GOP could worry about cleaning up the current administration's mess. Granted they will probably blame congress but they also risk fully collapsing their own party.

It's kinda funny that the talking points to turn the upcoming defeat into a victory has already been out for two years or so..

"You know, if the Dems lost the elections, it would be a good thing, since anyone who arrives in the White House will have a gigantic mess to sort out anyway"

Tatsuma: "You know, if the Dems lost the elections, it would be a good thing, since anyone who arrives in the White House will have a gigantic mess to sort out anyway

It's actually true, though.

I really, really like Obama... but I can't fathom why he'd want to take on the current mess that is this country. He'd have been better off waiting 4-8 years.

Any candidate would.

Only fraudulent elections could give the GOP the White House now.

serpent_sky: I really, really like Obama... but I can't fathom why he'd want to take on the current mess that is this country. He'd have been better off waiting 4-8 years.

Any candidate would.

That's if you trust someone else to save the country. If I thought I could do it, I wouldn't take the risk of letting someone else try.

Well, it's not like the DNC hasn't self-destructed at the most crucial time in the past, right?

Alphax:
That's if you trust someone else to save the country. If I thought I could do it, I wouldn't take the risk of letting someone else try.

Fair enough. I like that optimism and hope, actually.

headline is correct. as soon as things went negative, the seams of the Party started to unravel.

Hillary can win the nomination but she will not be able to overcome her negatives in the General Election.

Obama can win the General, but he's going to have a hard time overcoming the female and hispanic vote in the primaries.

assuming McCain will be the Rep nominee, i's say he's likely our next president at this point.

In other news, Bill Clinton is a huge attention whore.

Hillary Clinton.

She will say anything. And do nothing.
We deserve better.

/Vote early.
//Vote often.
///Vote Obama.

Tatsuma: A weak Hillary + angry Obama ex-supporterss + disenfranchised base + high negatives of Clinton amongst Democrats AND independants + McCain nomination = GOP in the White House for another 4 year

A weak field of GOP candidates + angry ex-Fred/Duncan/St. Ron supporterss + disenchanted base + high negatives of almost all GOP candidates amongst almost everyone + Obama nomination + high positives for Obama from Republicans/independents = Dems in the White House for the next 8 years

/mine looks far more plausible

RocketRod: Well, it's not like the DNC hasn't self-destructed at the most crucial time in the past, right?

And just look at how well that turned out!
Self-destructed or a moronic base believed the spoonfed lies?
They reported/You decided/We paid for it.

SNAFU: Republicans not any better off with the only viable Candidate dropping out. [ Thompson ]
The rest are flawed.
Going to be a hell of an election cycle.

RocketRod: Well, it's not like the DNC hasn't self-destructed at the most crucial time in the past, right?

Right... that's never happened to the GOP either, hey?

/November '06 seems to be too far back for you to remember...

Dr. Farkenstein: Tatsuma: A weak Hillary + angry Obama ex-supporterss + disenfranchised base + high negatives of Clinton amongst Democrats AND independants + McCain nomination = GOP in the White House for another 4 year

A weak field of GOP candidates + angry ex-Fred/Duncan/St. Ron supporterss + disenchanted base + high negatives of almost all GOP candidates amongst almost everyone + Obama nomination + high positives for Obama from Republicans/independents = maybe Dems in the White House for the next 84 years

/mine looks far more plausible

FTFY

never underestimate the ability of the american public to forget misdeeds from a party as well as be generally retarded in their selection for president.

/ nttawwt
// wait, what?

As a Ronald Reagan Republican who just donated money to Senator Obama's campaign, I am getting a kick out of subby's delusions of grandeur. Chimpy McFartwit's neo-conservative Kingdom of mass murder and treason have tarnished the Republitard's chances of election for generations to come.

/Mission Accomplished

If I didn't know any better, the Republicans are projecting their flaws onto the Democratic Party again. Because if it's happening to them, then it MUST be happening to the Democratic Party...you know, despite the Republicans being losers who con the rubes into voting against their best interests and keep them afraid and stupid via a threat du jour.

Cram it with 'freedom' fries, you sad bastards.

This country is just as divided as it was during the last two elections, the exception being that many Republicans feel abandoned by their party. Whatever mudslinging goes on during the Democratic primaries, it's not going to influence a thing in the general election.

I've thought and said it before: Hillary supporters aren't generally nasty and don't really have ill-will towards B Hussein. All of the hostility and lies are coming from the top. I don't really foresee Hillary's followers moving into the Obama camp if he wins the nomination. However, B Hussein's supporters are angry at the Clintons through and through. It's from the very bottom all the way to the top. People would be a lot less likely to happily jump to Hillary at the end of the primary season. That's just my opinion...

Dr. Farkenstein: Tatsuma: A weak Hillary + angry Obama ex-supporterss + disenfranchised base + high negatives of Clinton amongst Democrats AND independants + McCain nomination = GOP in the White House for another 4 year

A weak field of GOP candidates + angry ex-Fred/Duncan/St. Ron supporterss + disenchanted base + high negatives of almost all GOP candidates amongst almost everyone + Obama nomination + high positives for Obama from Republicans/independents = Dems in the White House for the next 8 years

/mine looks far more plausible

Fail.

Hillary will get the nomination and lose the election to McCain in November.

Ticket:
Obama for President
Hillary for VP

Discuss?

larry00: SNAFU: Republicans not any better off with the only viable Candidate dropping out. [ Thompson ]
The rest are flawed.
Going to be a hell of an election cycle.

Curious larry- why do you think Thompson did not do better? He seemed to me to be pretty much a tailor made Republican nominee.

Recall all Repuglikkkans: No comments on Bill's latest statement? Hillary should rip him a new one over it.

// not a rick roll

you son of a biatch...

/ you caught at least 1

Recall all Repuglikkkans: No comments on Bill's latest statement? Hillary should rip him a new one over it.

// not a rick roll

noise noise noise blahahabaahahhalabaha all over the farking internet. please keep up the good work there dumbass.

Inigo_Montoya: Ticket:
Obama for President
Hillary for VP

Discuss?
As an avid Obama supporter, I would never put him in such a dangerous situation as to be between The Clintons and the top seat.
fark voting for them, in any capacity.
Obama '08

Inigo_Montoya: Ticket:
Obama for President
Hillary for VP

Discuss?

I don't think so. Obama has a good shot at this point to go all the way but Hillary would be viewed as poison by many if he added her to the ticket.

I would love to see Wesley Clark get picked but he seems out of the limelight for now. I am not really sure who would make a good veep ticket for Obama, but I'll tell you this- even though I lost a lot of respect for Powell after his lies and line-toeing for Bushco, I still think it would be cool to see a ticket with him and Obama on it.

/yes I am nuts
//it's the vicodin kicking in

Inigo_Montoya: Ticket:
Obama for President
Hillary for VP

Discuss?

Never happen. Hillary wont play second fiddle, and Bill wont be a VP spouse. They also would undermine the hell out of an Obama administration....or worse.

Since the Democratic convention is before the Republican convention and Hillary will get the nomination; and after McCain gets the nomination, I'd like to see a McCain/Obama ticket, a bipartisan ticket that would keep the Clintons out of power, and piss off the evangelicals.

honestly, Obama, if you'll notice, has really downplayed the issue of race in his run. If you look at the issue of his race, quite often, its been brought up by Bill or Hillary.
Maybe i'm just imagining it, but it seems like he's been trying to make the campaign about issues and about being united as a nation than about dividing up by race.

So Bill referenced Obama's win to Jesse win. So no one else ran a good campaign in the 92, 96, 2000, and 04.

Said Bill Clinton today in Columbia, SC: "Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in '84 and '88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here."

Inigo_Montoya:
Ticket:
Obama for President
Hillary Richardson for VP

Discuss?

They're the best of a bad/mediocre bunch on both sides of the aisle. Barack has the charisma, Richardson the experience. I think both, as a team, will make the best policy decisions.

At the very least, those two seem to be the ones most likely, IMHO, to disentangle the various catastrophes the U.S. has been involved in over the past seven years.

sonnyboy11

Obama/Powell

Oh yeah baby. That just makes my white liberal guilt erupt all over my pants.

SilentStrider: honestly, Obama, if you'll notice, has really downplayed the issue of race in his run. If you look at the issue of his race, quite often, its been brought up by Bill or Hillary.
Maybe i'm just imagining it, but it seems like he's been trying to make the campaign about issues and about being united as a nation than about dividing up by race.

Agreed on most points, but while I respect Obama personally, being black doesn't make him a race uniter. He just happens to be black. Besides, which candidate isn't a "uniter for change?"

As a life long Republican, I'd personally like to thank Bill Clinton for his behavior and comments over the past two weeks. He will single handedly make sure that the closest Hillary gets to the White House is when she takes the tour with the tourists.

After the bloodbath in South Carolina (and the Caroline Kennedy endorsement - don't take that too lightly), Obama should be preparing his acceptance speech for the DNC convention. As long as the doesn't pick Edwards as his running mate, he's got a good shot.

On the other side, the McCain-Huckabee ticket seems to have the best shot at giving Obama a good fight. I don't know if it's enough, but at least a good fight.

Wil_Mahfingahdo: SHAGGY! YOU ARE THE DEFINITION OF AN ASS! DIAF.

Go fark yourself, dimwit. I just donated $50 to Obama's campaign tonight, which is the first time I've ever donated money to a politician in my life.

JQPublic: Inigo_Montoya: Ticket:
Obama for President
Hillary for VP

Discuss?

Never happen. Hillary wont play second fiddle, and Bill wont be a VP spouse. They also would undermine the hell out of an Obama administration....or worse.

Since the Democratic convention is before the Republican convention and Hillary will get the nomination; and after McCain gets the nomination, I'd like to see a McCain/Obama ticket, a bipartisan ticket that would keep the Clintons out of power, and piss off the evangelicals.

As an evangelical, not only would I not be pissed off about that ticket, I'd vote for it in a heartbeat. Too bad it would never happen.

Wil_Mahfingahdo: SHAGGY! YOU ARE THE DEFINITION OF AN ASS! DIAF.

Umm.. wow. I don't always like what Shaggy has to say, but I'd hardly say he's the definition of an 'ass' here in Farkdom. hillary4real and rushlimbaughsentme otoh, them I could see fitting your defintion if you want to look for a fair representation of that term.

JQPublic:

Fail.

Hillary will get the nomination and lose the election to McCain in November.

EPIC FREAKIN' FAIL.

Hillary? Too many Democrats hate her; they showed it tonight

McCain? Too many Republicans hate him; they've already shown it

OBAMAMENTUM!

CaesarSneezy: Agreed on most points, but while I respect Obama personally, being black doesn't make him a race uniter. He just happens to be black. Besides, which candidate isn't a "uniter for change?"

true, but my point is, when the race card is played, its not been him playing it. What he's been doing though, in playing as a unifier, is not bring the race issue into it.

Inigo_Montoya: sonnyboy11

Obama/Powell

Oh yeah baby. That just makes my white liberal guilt erupt all over my pants.

Stifle yourself! I could give a crap about skin color and I can pretty much guarantee I'm the whitest guy on Fark. I want people who can do the job. Although after Bush, that bar is so low, I'm pretty sure you or I would be welcome as saviors.

Yeah, I'm sure the voters who are fed up with the Clintons' Karl Rove-style tactics are all lining up to back the Republicans.

If Hillary gets the nomination both parties are set for colapse. The republican party lost the majority of their support in the last 7 years and the rest is now split. Huckabee gets the fundies, Romney gets the corporate vote, the war hawk vote's split all over the damn place but McCain will probably mop it up, and the "People who can't stop repeating 9/11 over and over" have a candidate to, although I've forgotten his name after he's repeatedly lost to the "People who want to have Ron Paul's baby" voters.

The democrats are caught between old people who need to die the fark off and the rest of the party. Loyalists and the senile won't jump ship for anyone but everybody else is pretty much ready to cash in their membership card if Hillary gets the nomination. I wonder if we'll get another two parties afterwards or if third parties will actually jump to prominance and we'll finally have a real sort of democracy.

SilentStrider: CaesarSneezy: Agreed on most points, but while I respect Obama personally, being black doesn't make him a race uniter. He just happens to be black. Besides, which candidate isn't a "uniter for change?"

true, but my point is, when the race card is played, its not been him playing it. What he's been doing though, in playing as a unifier, is not bring the race issue into it.

Yeah, he's been surprisingly classy about it for a politician. You're definately right about uniting in a way- seeing him run his campaign this way (and other indicators in the past years) have convinced me that we might finally be moving past the constant race-baiting of the 90's. I'm so cynical about politics though. Would Obama be playing the card if he thought it was politically expedient?

Falcc: If Hillary gets the nomination both parties are set for colapse.

BEST. POSSIBLE. SCENARIO.

sonnyboy11

I was serious (although I attempted to inject a bit of humour into my response, awkwardly). I'd support an Obama/Powell ticket with unprecedented vigor. I also liked superdolfan1's suggestion of a McCain/Obama ticket. Although I'd prefer the possition's were switched.

Regardless, I think this election cycle has a better chance of electing somebody I actually like & respect than any other in my lifetime. Even if it's Hillary v Huckabee.