Cool and accurate. They also endorsed McCain.

I read that as ..says Hillary is not an agent of orange

That actually somewhat surprises me. I would have expected them to go for Hillary.

Everyone wants change. Especially the guy with the cardboard sign at Mockingbird and Central.

A well reasoned editorial, and much better written than the almost comically stupid New York Times editorial which endorsed Hillary Clinton.

And the Inquirer is, if nothing else, all for change.

yeah, B. Hussein Obama will change us from winning the war on Terror to losing the war on terror.
Great.
I would far rather stand behind someone with the experience to handle the situation than someone with no experience who just wants to make things different (not neccesarily for the better).
Being anti-american is not a good change.
Hillary can lead us, and B. Hussein Obama will most likely lead us to ruin.

Which one is the Agent of Fortune?

hillary4real: B. Hussein Obama will change us from winning the war on Terror to losing the war on terror.

If you're suddenly so concerned about the GWoT, shouldn't you be a republican? Hillary is one of the cut-and-run liberals, like B Hussein.

hillary4real: yeah, B. Hussein Obama will change us from winning the war on Terror to losing the war on terror.
Great.
I would far rather stand behind someone with the experience to handle the situation than someone with no experience who just wants to make things different (not neccesarily for the better).
Being anti-american is not a good change.
Hillary can lead us, and B. Hussein Obama will most likely lead us to ruin.

See, I told you that this is a much better troll than your Limbaugh alt.

Actually, the woman from this thread is the REAL agent of change.

/$550 worth.

She's been wearing the same farkin' pant suit fer longer than Charlie Brown has been wearing that zig zaggy T-shirt.

How the Hell can anyone call HER an agent of change?

/Have a soft spot fer the Philly Ink.
//They once quoted me when I called Rick Santorum "garbage wrapped in skin"
///Good times, good times.

every one of them is a corporate shill, except for Edwards who is a trial lawyer shill. We're in for another horrible 8 years no matter who gets in.

d23: every one of them is a corporate shill, except for Edwards who is a trial lawyer shill. We're in for another horrible 8 years no matter who gets in.

Care to explain how Obama is a corporate shill?

DamnYankees: d23: every one of them is a corporate shill, except for Edwards who is a trial lawyer shill. We're in for another horrible 8 years no matter who gets in.

Care to explain how Obama is a corporate shill?

he's no better than Clinton in his voting record and he's pulling money from the same old places and pulling the same old tricks. He's no different than anyone else out there... they are all ruling for the corporate elite. Both parties are the same, too.

Relive the Orwellian memories.
Byrd, Hillary Clinton demand Iraqi war be de-authorized
BECKLEY, W.Va. - Moving for a complete about-face in policy, Sen. Robert C. Byrd teamed with presidential aspirant Hillary Clinton to demand Congress rescind the five-year-old authorization of the Bush administration's war in Iraq

d23: he's pulling money from the same old places

No he isn't. Do you even follow politics? Neither Edwards nor Obama take corporate money.

d23: He's no different than anyone else out there... they are all ruling for the corporate elite. Both parties are the same, too.

Oh...you're one of those.

Nevermind.

Defense Industry Embraces Democrats, Hillary By Far The Favorite">Defense Industry Embraces Democrats, Hillary By Far The Favorite

Hillary4Real is one of them folks quick to call other folks members of the "Blame America First" crowd.

Quatchi has a name fer such individuals...

The "Shame America First" crowd.

Does B4R actually believe that BushCo's so-called GWoT has made America safer or less safe? Created more terrorists or less terrorism?

Can you say "Last throes"?

I knew you could.



Cos yer special!

Like the Olympics.

Defense Industry Embraces Democrats, Hillary By Far The Favorite

/now with 100% more preview

Ace Frehley's Ghost: hillary4real: yeah, B. Hussein Obama will change us from winning the war on Terror to losing the war on terror.
Great.
I would far rather stand behind someone with the experience to handle the situation than someone with no experience who just wants to make things different (not neccesarily for the better).
Being anti-american is not a good change.
Hillary can lead us, and B. Hussein Obama will most likely lead us to ruin.

See, I told you that this is a much better troll than your Limbaugh alt.

so i'm not the only one that thinks hillary4real and limabuagh_sent_me are the same person...

quatchi: Hillary4Real is one of them folks quick to call other folks members of the "Blame America First" crowd some bored farker with an alt who likes to troll every political thread.

Fixed that for ya.

Chariset: Everyone wants change. Especially the guy with the cardboard sign at Mockingbird and Central.

Bill Clinton told me that guy's actually black.

I wish to subscribe to Quatchi's newsletter.

hillary4real: yeah, B. Hussein Obama will change us from winning the war on Terror to losing the war on terror.
Great.
I would far rather stand behind someone with the experience to handle the situation than someone with no experience who just wants to make things different (not neccesarily for the better).
Being anti-american is not a good change.
Hillary can lead us, and B. Hussein Obama will most likely lead us to ruin.

You Again!

Dude, if Hillary knew what you were up to, she'd ask you to stop.

Then she'd tell Bill to ask you to keep going.

hillary4real:

We smell your fear.

Calvin Coolidge: quatchi: Hillary4Real is one of them folks quick to call other folks members of the "Blame America First" crowd some bored farker with an alt who likes to troll every political thread. Republican shills.

Fixed that for both of y'alls.

While I don't agree at all with that line about Hillary, the re-occuring notion of Obama being 'bi-partisan' needs to be put to rest. How is he bi-partisan?

Because he appeals to independants and republicans and will be much more affective in uniting the country and the congress.

I mean, are you joking? Being bi-partisan means being willing to work with both parties and being able to unite both parties. It doesn't mean you don't belong to one or the other.

In a Bizarro-world reversal of a common gripe, I will move to America if Obama wins.

/You'll like me. I'm cute.

Here's something I want to discuss, and this seems as good a thread as any to bring it up:

The Right has started to characterize the fight between Obama and Hillary as one between the far-left lunatic fringe of the Democrat Party and the centrists. They're painting Obama now as the 'angry left' candidate. It's easy to do; they demonize the young as irrational and veangeful against Bush -- when you think of the '60s and the political insanity of the time, it was the young people burning flags. We're talking about an older demographic lapping up this stuff, so it's easy for them to see the Democrat primary in such a light. This works out well for their base, who now have a reason to dislike Obama. Interestingly enough, it's also helping the Clinton camp because now they're seen as the 'centrists', effectively stealing that mantle from Obama. I'm concerned about this development, and it may prove to have some devastating effects come February 5th.

Shaggy: Where have you seen that? I honestly hvaen't heard much about Obama coming from the right at all. They seem obsessed with the Clintons and seem to have shurgged off Obama as someone who doesn't stand a chance at the nomination.

Bill Frist: Shaggy: Where have you seen that? I honestly hvaen't heard much about Obama coming from the right at all. They seem obsessed with the Clintons and seem to have shurgged off Obama as someone who doesn't stand a chance at the nomination.

I was watching O'Reilly the other night...that was how he framed the issue after the Nevada caucus. It seems likely to have some effect on the independent support for Obama if they view him as the 'far-left' candidate instead of the unifying centrist that he is.

I would like to see this whole "Clinton Vs. Obama" thing come down to a two-man sack race being held on consecutive Sundays until a champion can be crowned.

Hillary is not an agent of change China.

Where is Hunter Thompson when you need him?

Oh, right. Dead.

/Better than sex

Recall all Repuglikkkans: Well, there's your problem. Stop watching the maroon.

Keep your friends close, your enemies even closer...

funmonger: /Better than sex

Awesome book.

It's a shame - I would have loved to read what HST thought of the current campaign. He had a real hard on for elections.

/RIP, HST

Ya' know, this is undoubtedly going to piss off all the anti-Republican trolls, but I got some news for you: The Republicans are not all that concerned with what's going on with Democratic side of the race right now. First, they have issues of their own with their candidates. Second, they don't have to do anything. The D-candidates are doing it all to themselves:

Hillary is playing dirty pool, saying it's not really her, it's the people working for her, a story that she might get people to believe more if it wasn't happening every damn week!

Edwards has decided his winning strategy is to be against everything as a presidential candidate that he voted for when he was in the Senate. And this is stuff he's always believed, was raised to believe, it's a part of his being.
Except when he was in the Senate.

And Obama keeps letting himself get dragged into the very things he said he wasn't going to do as a candidate. Rookie mistakes.

So, don't blame the Republicans for all of this. Some, yes, but not all. Democrats are perfectly capable of beating up themselves.

Crunchy Frog:

There are two people that I wish - and I rarely "wish" for anything - could have lived to see Obama happen. .

One of them is HST. It would have been good for the country, but he had the bad sense to blow his brains out too soon.

Recall all Repuglikkkans: You're wasting your time paying him any attention.

Nope; he's still the #1 source of news for millions of people every day, so I think it's important to keep tabs on the things he says. Pre-empt the talking points, as it were...

rush_limbaugh_sent_me: The idea that HIllary or Obama coud "unite" the country is absurd. Hillary is the most polarizing person to ever run for president. Obama has a better personality but on policy he's as left if not more so than Hillary. Nobody is ever going to unite around a tax nazi leftwinger like Hillary or Obama.

The NY Times endorsed Hillary. They are the Newspaper of Record for liberals. Hillary is the Democrat nominee. Thanks for playing, Obama.

Do you have a third Alt, or are two enough to satisfy your schizoid urges?

Darius Harris: But he speaks as a moderate centrist and votes as a hard-left liberal.

Exactly. But his positions on policy as a presidential candidate are a lot more centrist than they were as a congressman. Just look at his plan for Iraq today vs 2006. He was calling for instant withdrawal; now, he calls for a more rational, slower approach.

rush_limbaugh_sent_me: O'Reily believes in man-made global warming, he supports amnesty for illegal immigrants, he's anti-death penalty, he's pro gays adopting kids, etc.

Oh, so you're saying he's actually educated on a few issues? That's quite a compliment.

funmonger: Crunchy Frog:

There are two people that I wish - and I rarely "wish" for anything - could have lived to see Obama happen. .

One of them is HST. It would have been good for the country, but he had the bad sense to blow his brains out too soon.

May I ask who the other one is? I think if I had to choose one person to see Obama be elected, it'd be Jackie Robinson, or Frederick Douglass.

funmonger: One of them is HST.

He would have been a Ron Paul supporter. He would hate a 'gun-grabber' like Obama.

"We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world, a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just Whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how history will judge us. No redeeming social value. Just whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you. Who does vote for these dishonest shiatheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush? They are the same ones who wanted to have Muhammad Ali locked up for refusing to kill gooks. They speak for all that is cruel and stupid and vicious in the American character. They are the racists and hate mongers among us; they are the Ku Klux Klan. I piss down the throats of these Nazis. And I am too old to worry about whether they like it or not. fark them."

/A fistful of awesome.

What's with all these newspapers supporting people? Are they being paid or something? How impartial.

Crunchy Frog: /A fistful of awesome.

Sounds like a lot of whining and biatching from an adolescent view of the world.

Shaggy_C: funmonger: One of them is HST.

He would have been a Ron Paul supporter. He would hate a 'gun-grabber' like Obama.

Not sure about the Ron Paul thing. As much of a libertarian as HST was, he swung leftwards on a lot of things. And he loathed Republicans.

Fair point on the gun thing, but I think he would have had some interesting views on Obama. And Hildebeest, for that matter.