I heard a song off of it the other night. It was terrible. Like "oh God my anus is bleeding" awful. Really.

But you know what? I'm still going to pirate it. Just because.

/NAPSTER BAD!!!

all praise metallica

/even though everything they've released since 1988 is crap

Lane83: It was terrible. Like "oh God my anus is bleeding" awful. Really.

That's really too bad, you know? I had such high hopes. Rick Rubin has touched some delightful albums in the past (Reign in Blood, Seasons in the Abyss, Danzig I, II, & III).

/yes, i know he also did U2, Justin Timberlake, and the Dixie Chicks, but a girl can hope, can't she?

who?

From the link:
"METALLICA began working on its ninth studio album in 2006. Since then the group has taken its time to write and record the new disc, but drummer Lars Ulrich told The Pulse of Radio it isn't hard to stay inspired even 25 years into the band's career. "I don't use the word 'career,' 'hunger,' I use more words like 'fun,'" he said. "As long as we keep it fun for ourselves and keep it kind of manageable, the days of the word 'career' and the business and, I don't know, it just seems kind of part of the past. Now it's just about, like, having fun and wanting to do it. You know, as long as it doesn't turn into too much work, it's not hard to be inspired."

In other words, they're old. They're insanely wealthy...and really don't have to do this shiat anymore. They've spent the past 20+ years with the same guys and they'd really rather just hang out moping in their huge mansions or driving their fancy cars than having to hang out with each other again.

Meh.

I'll be waiting in line for GnR's "Chinese Democracy," thank you very much.

Lane83: I heard a song off of it the other night...

I'm calling shenanigans, bullshiat, etc.

Oxotoxo: /even though NEARLY everything they've released since 1988 is crap

S&M didn't suck. The Black album was pretty good, too.

However, calling Load and ReLoad crap is insulting to crap.

Listening to Metallica is like watching your dad dancing, trying to score.

Pfft. Give me songs like Outlaw Torn, Bleeding Me, and - Human over anything they ever did in the 80's.

/loves all Metallica
//excited for new album

Oxotoxo:
/even though everything they've released since 1988 is crap

This, this, this

I guess I'm in the minority by liking "old" and "new" Metallica. I didn't listen to St. Anger all the way through, but I liked the singles off of it. I'll more than likely buy this if it's anything close to what they've done already.

*braces for verbal abuse from old school Metallica fans*

DMentia777: That's really too bad, you know? I had such high hopes. Rick Rubin has touched some delightful albums in the past (Reign in Blood, Seasons in the Abyss, Danzig I, II, & III).

Yeah, but as a great philosopher once said, "You can't polish a turd."

DontBeSoDigital: Pfft. Give me songs like Outlaw Torn, Bleeding Me, and - Human over anything they ever did in the 80's.

In other words, you like Metallica as long as they don't sound like Metallica?

/every track on Master of Puppets murders any of the tracks you just listed there.
/then every track from Ride the Lightning consumes the corpses of those songs, raw.

Ace Frehley's Ghost: In other words, you like Metallica as long as they don't sound like Metallica?

/every track on Master of Puppets murders any of the tracks you just listed there.
/then every track from Ride the Lightning consumes the corpses of those songs, raw.

When has Metallica never changed direction with their music? There's a distinct difference between each of their albums. The evolution of the band has made sense and their evolution been very Zeppelin-esque which is something I really appreciate. Sorry. But a song like Outlaw Torn is just as much "Metallica" as is Fade to Black, Orion, or Harvester of Sorrow.

Sorry. I'd much rather have a band try new things then end up being another Slayer or Iron Maiden. And not shockingly, Metallica is still a much more relevant band then either of those two.

Oxotoxo:
/even though everything they've released since 1988 is crap

I hate your favorite band.

Ace Frehley's Ghost: DontBeSoDigital: Pfft. Give me songs like Outlaw Torn, Bleeding Me, and - Human over anything they ever did in the 80's.

In other words, you like Metallica as long as they don't sound like Metallica?

/every track on Master of Puppets murders any of the tracks you just listed there.
/then every track from Ride the Lightning consumes the corpses of those songs, raw.

THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS ~DESU!

Like I said earlier, Black was good (but not great) but Load, ReLoad and St. Anger sucked horse cock (except Fuel)

DontBeSoDigital: Ace Frehley's Ghost: In other words, you like Metallica as long as they don't sound like Metallica?

/every track on Master of Puppets murders any of the tracks you just listed there.
/then every track from Ride the Lightning consumes the corpses of those songs, raw.

When has Metallica never changed direction with their music? There's a distinct difference between each of their albums. The evolution of the band has made sense and their evolution been very Zeppelin-esque which is something I really appreciate.

And (here I must specify that Led Zeppelin is one of my top three favorite bands) breaking up following In Through the Out Door is possibly the best thing that could have happened to them musically. ITtOD is, at best, mediocre; if it hadn't had the Zeppelin name on it, I doubt that a dozen people would even remember it now. Would you care to speculate on what Led Zeppelin would have sounded like in 1985?

Sorry. But a song like Outlaw Torn is just as much "Metallica" as is Fade to Black, Orion, or Harvester of Sorrow.

It's their band, they can record a farkin country album if they like. Just don't try to tell me that it still sounds like Metallica.

Sorry. I'd much rather have a band try new things then end up being another Slayer or Iron Maiden. And not shockingly, Metallica is still a much more relevant band then either of those two.

And that you like them is a matter of personal taste, but I think that you are vastly overestimating their "relevence."

Sounds to me you're slightly bitter that they changed and decided to do new things with their music. What exactly is "Metallica" anyways? They've been playing other forms of hard rock much longer than they ever played thrash or heavy metal.

I keeping my money ready for the next Stones album.

DontBeSoDigital: Sounds to me you're slightly bitter that they changed and decided to do new things with their music. What exactly is "Metallica" anyways? They've been playing other forms of hard rock much longer than they ever played thrash or heavy metal.

Bitter? No.

I just think that Metallica ran its course along about the black album. I can recall thinking at the time that I vaguely enjoyed it (in an In Through the Out Door sort of way) but in comparison with their earlier stuff, it's pretty weak. I knew at the time that I was ready to look for something else.

Hey, if you like generic, then by all means listen to what you like. But make no mistake, their sound has become more and more generic since Load. They've been floundering in their search for something new, and it shows.

You can look down on Slayer or Iron Maiden all that you want for not remaining "relevent" (whatever you mean by that), they've continued to play to their strengths rather than looking desperately for something that sounds different for its own sake. I can't name an artist in any medium that has continued to put out fresh, new and good work for more than a decade, and I'm willing to bet that you can't either. 10 years seems to be the shelf life for artistic innovation for anyone, and after that, artists either recycle themselves or put out crap in a desperate attempt to prove that they can do something new. Metallica has decided to put themselves into the second catagory.

I like how they became everything they said they wouldn't be. That's true growth right there.

Ace Frehley's Ghost:

You can look down on Slayer or Iron Maiden all that you want for not remaining "relevent" (whatever you mean by that), they've continued to play to their strengths rather than looking desperately for something that sounds different for its own sake. I can't name an artist in any medium that has continued to put out fresh, new and good work for more than a decade, and I'm willing to bet that you can't either. 10 years seems to be the shelf life for artistic innovation for anyone, and after that, artists either recycle themselves or put out crap in a desperate attempt to prove that they can do something new. Metallica has decided to put themselves into the second catagory.

See thats what gets me, in the 80's Metallica were THE band (if you liked that sort of music, of course) and now they are regarding as "sucking". Does RTL or MOP still not sound great?

Just because recent output has changed doesn't mean that they still made those songs.

buttsmckracken: See thats what gets me, in the 80's Metallica were THE band (if you liked that sort of music, of course) and now they are regarding as "sucking". Does RTL or MOP still not sound great?

"Were", being the operative word here. Yes, Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets still sound great.

Just because recent output has changed doesn't mean that they still made those songs.

I have a feeling that you meant to say something else here, because yes, their recent output has changed (for the bland) and yes, they still made those songs. Just because they were good once doesn't mean that they don't suck now.

Ace Frehley's Ghost:
I have a feeling that you meant to say something else here, because yes, their recent output has changed (for the bland) and yes, they still made those songs. Just because they were good once doesn't mean that they don't suck now.

Anthrax haven't made a good record in year, nobody is shouting "Anthrax sucks", Iron Maiden's last few albums aren't great, same story with Slayer, nobody is saying they "suck". Megadeth, bar a few choice songs, have released nothing but crap over the years but despite a few comments about Mustaine's addictions nobody says they suck.

So with Metallica either;
a) Your (not you "Ace Frehley's Ghost" but Farker in general) taste in music has changed - fine, you don't have to like every band.
b) Your expectations haven't changed along with the music - leading to disappointment.
c) Music has changed and you're not happy about it - listen to something else then.

Either answer shouldn't result in a Metallica Sucks chant, it doesn't for the bands mentioned previously. Of course you are entitled to your opinion but why not express that opinion in listening to another band rather that just starting the same old chant in the bi-weekly Metallica thread.

buttsmckracken: Ace Frehley's Ghost:
I have a feeling that you meant to say something else here, because yes, their recent output has changed (for the bland) and yes, they still made those songs. Just because they were good once doesn't mean that they don't suck now.

Anthrax haven't made a good record in year, nobody is shouting "Anthrax sucks", Iron Maiden's last few albums aren't great, same story with Slayer, nobody is saying they "suck". Megadeth, bar a few choice songs, have released nothing but crap over the years but despite a few comments about Mustaine's addictions nobody says they suck.

So with Metallica either;
a) Your (not you "Ace Frehley's Ghost" but Farker in general) taste in music has changed - fine, you don't have to like every band.
b) Your expectations haven't changed along with the music - leading to disappointment.
c) Music has changed and you're not happy about it - listen to something else then.

Either answer shouldn't result in a Metallica Sucks chant, it doesn't for the bands mentioned previously. Of course you are entitled to your opinion but why not express that opinion in listening to another band rather that just starting the same old chant in the bi-weekly Metallica thread.

There are fundamental differences between Metallica and the other bands that you mention: none of them have made great albums (and none are really expected to at this point) but they still play to their particular strengths. How many times has Motorhead released what is essentially the same album, over and over again? People don't say that Motorhead sucks, because that's the music that they're good at. Same with Maiden, Anthrax, Slayer, et al.

Metallica also still has the Napster episode around their neck as an albatross. I won't rehash that, as you and I both know that that, in combination with playing away from their musical strengths turned a lot of long-time Metallica fans off of their music and them personally (I'll admit here, that Lars' attitude during that episode went a long way toward my decision to stop apologizing for their poor musical output.)

As for my particular tastes (since I can't talk intelligently about anyone else's can I?) they haven't changed as much as I approach 40 as I've expected. There are a lot of (relatively) newer bands that I listen to now, but they tend to perform within a certain hard rock idiom (Down, Monster Magnet, Fu Manchu, etc.) Perhaps there's something particularly noble about Metallica trying to do something new that doesn't really work, I just don't see it.

meekychuppet: Listening to Metallica is like watching your dad dancing, trying to score.

Nah, it's more like stumbling into a room full of shirtless drunken crackheads, with mullets.

Listening to Metallica is like watching your dad dancing, trying to score.

Reading a metal thread anywhere on the Internet is like killing yourself slowly with a hammer.


I heard a song off of it the other night. It was terrible. Like "oh God my anus is bleeding" awful. Really.

No you didn't. You heard one of the two songs they premiered on the road in the summer of 2006, both of which have been ditched during the recording of the new album.

the representative said, "It will be out when it's ready."

In other news, 3DRealms just filed an infringment lawsuit over Metallica stealing their copyrighted release announcement....

arasmin: the representative said, "It will be out when it's ready."

In other news, 3DRealms just filed an infringment lawsuit over Metallica stealing their copyrighted release announcement....

id Software, too.

I jumped on the Metallica hate wagon back during the Napster fiasco. I didn't even give their new music a chance after that. A new co-worker of mine convinced me that I needed to give the new stuff a chance and that's it really not that bad. I sampled a good 8 songs from their post-black album releases and it seemed like most songs started out pretty agressively. At first I thought to myself I must have been wrong all these years. However, shortly after the fast intro EVERY SINGLE SONG then slowed down into some lame weak drum beat and guitar riff, leaving Hetfield to carry the song with his voice. His voice sucks and lacks range and is only good when yelling Blackened after some badass instrumental. Each song would have the formulaic buildup in the middle where they could have had some redemption with the pace but that was not the case. Metallica sucks horribly and they should change their name to Nickelbackallica.

DontBeSoDigital: Ace Frehley's Ghost: In other words, you like Metallica as long as they don't sound like Metallica?

/every track on Master of Puppets murders any of the tracks you just listed there.
/then every track from Ride the Lightning consumes the corpses of those songs, raw.

When has Metallica never changed direction with their music? There's a distinct difference between each of their albums. The evolution of the band has made sense and their evolution been very Zeppelin-esque which is something I really appreciate. Sorry. But a song like Outlaw Torn is just as much "Metallica" as is Fade to Black, Orion, or Harvester of Sorrow.

Sorry. I'd much rather have a band try new things then end up being another Slayer or Iron Maiden. And not shockingly, Metallica is still a much more relevant band then either of those two.

Uh, dude, Maiden is still pretty relevant. When Bruce Dickinson got back with them, it was a big deal. I've seen more people (teenagers) wearing Maiden shirts than I have seen them wearing Metallica shirts. Maiden has been on the past few Guitar Hero's and Rock Band and they are one of the most requested artists on those games. To say they aren't still relevant (in the metal world) is pretty short-sited.

sat1va: I jumped on the Metallica hate wagon back during the Napster fiasco. I didn't even give their new music a chance after that. A new co-worker of mine convinced me that I needed to give the new stuff a chance and that's it really not that bad. I sampled a good 8 songs from their post-black album releases and it seemed like most songs started out pretty agressively. At first I thought to myself I must have been wrong all these years. However, shortly after the fast intro EVERY SINGLE SONG then slowed down into some lame weak drum beat and guitar riff, leaving Hetfield to carry the song with his voice. His voice sucks and lacks range and is only good when yelling Blackened after some badass instrumental. Each song would have the formulaic buildup in the middle where they could have had some redemption with the pace but that was not the case. Metallica sucks horribly and they should change their name to Nickelbackallica.

All this. Someone full of fail managed to convince Hetfield he could sing. No. He can yell with bad-ass music happening.

I think I'm gonna go drink beer and blast Master of Puppets now.

\m/ >_< \m/

Kanyon

I guess I'm in the minority by liking "old" and "new" Metallica. I didn't listen to St. Anger all the way through, but I liked the singles off of it. I'll more than likely buy this if it's anything close to what they've done already.

*braces for verbal abuse from old school Metallica fans*

In the minority but not alone. I like some of old and some of new Metallica as well.

Then again, my taste in music will one day be Megadeth. Then the next I'll be listening to Enya. So I have a pretty wide range of what I listen too.

But I will say this about St. Anger. Every single other Metallica album has anywhere from 5-8 tracks that I love on them. St. Anger has one song I really like and two others that I think are a tad "meh".

If this next album is also mediocre or worse I'll stop getting excited about new Metallica work.

\The garage sound stops being cool when you're in your 40s

Ace Frehley's Ghost: Would you care to speculate on what Led Zeppelin would have sounded like in 1985?

Hetfield CAN sing. He's not the greatest, but he does pretty well. (Example: 'Bleeding Me' off of Load, the best track on that album, IMHO)

MoeSzyslak: Ace Frehley's Ghost: Would you care to speculate on what Led Zeppelin would have sounded like in 1985?

lol!

Then a good puking at the very thought.

Hate to break it to you "new" Metallica haters: Rick Rubin Metallica will be commercially successful. It will be heavy enough to still be Metallica..but Radio Freindly like whoa.

I wish he would have produced St. Anger. Most of the songs on that album are good songs. You just can't hear them through the "garage band" production that they went with.

Don't get me wrong. I love old Metallica as much as the next guy. Ride the Lightning and Puppets being the best of the old stuff. But, don't let it stop you from enjoying the new stuff for what it is. It's not 80's era Metallica. But, it's better than Nickelback FFS.

Alphax: Hetfield CAN sing. He's not the greatest, but he does pretty well. (Example: 'Bleeding Me' off of Load, the best track one of about three decent tracks on that album, IMHO)

FTFY

Krunnky: Hate to break it to you "new" Metallica haters: Rick Rubin Metallica will be commercially successful. It will be heavy enough to still be Metallica..but Radio Freindly like whoa.

If they manage to sell another brazillion albums (in the current climate for CD sales, I'll be surprised though), it doesn't effect me one way or the other. Rick Rubin has always been a good producer, and has produced some of my favorite music, but that doesn't always translate into commercial success.

Don't get me wrong. I love old Metallica as much as the next guy. Ride the Lightning and Puppets being the best of the old stuff. But, don't let it stop you from enjoying the new stuff for what it is. It's not 80's era Metallica. But, it's better than Nickelback FFS.

I've heard the new stuff; I own everything by them up to S&M. The black album was their last decent studio release. Load had three decent songs, but nothing that stands up to the weakest stuff on their earlier releases. Reload wasn't even as good as Load.

I heard the song St. Anger playing on the radio and it sounded nothing so much as whiny, and didn't change my mind about not wasting anymore of my money on them.

The funny thing is, for all the haters there are for Metallica, it's hard to find two that have the same reason. Even those who say: Metallica after this album, suck - can't agree whether it was after RtL, AJFA, or Black. Those who still care about Metallica's stance on Napster, as though Lars' opinion mattered and the FIRE BAD! video actually has anything to do with what they actually believed - rock bands are generally stupid. RIAA lawyers went to a likkered up Metallica and said: People are stealing your music! They're using the computers to get the songs out of your brainwaves! They're going to make you poor! And Lars in particular was fooled by the hype and tried to do something about it. The rest of the people who claim to hate Metallica is probably because whatever band they wish could be the next Metallica (for at least the first few album's worth of their existence - and then not suck/sellout/burnout) never do, so might we well redirect that impotent anger toward a band that in their own words, are irrelevant.

/So irrelevant that they're still more talked about than any other metal/rock band today.

Metallica can take as long as they want to release their next album. I'll buy it the day it comes out.

<i>The rest of the people who claim to hate Metallica is probably because whatever band they wish could be the next Metallica...</i>

Please, dear God. Do not let any of the bands that I like, become the next Metallica.

bloobeary -

Way to take my quote out of context, asshat. Yeah, I hope none of the bands you like have the success of Metallica's first few albums either. Just to spite you.

/asshattery. It's the new Black.

Metallica lost their talent when Cliff died..'nuff said.

Everything past the 'Black Album' is Metallica: Diet. It's simplified thrash devolving into proto nu-metal.

And in my personal opinion, the only album worth remembering from them is 'Kill 'Em All.'