God do i hate this farking idea. I won't lie; I will be as happy to see this hand out...and that is what this is, a large handout...as much as the next guy, but there are many other things that could stimulate the economy. Like building something, for instance and, you know, giving people jobs and such. A universal health care system would employ a bunch of people, too.

Oh well. At least I'll get my PS3. Go, America...the country that forgot how to think bigger.

GODDAMN, these f*cking bastards in Washington DC.

I'm not a "consumer". I'm a f*cking citizen, not a baby that needs its pacifier, you assholes.

My grandparents are spinning in their graves right about now, right alongside George Washington, John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson.

For f*ck's sake, this would even make Ronald Reagan sick.

I am going to do with this money what I have done with all excess money I have ever gained.

High interest CDs and other interest yielding investments.

Yea, I dont think this is going to work as they foresee it will. I can see some people using it to pay debts, but not really buying anything new.

I'm going to use mine to buy a handgun.

That way when SCOTUS says handgun bans are OK I'll be grandfathered in on their dime.

unless it gets "stolen"....

I was against this particular handout before I even found out that I would not be eligible (since I apparently make too much money and pay too much in taxes to get any sort of a tax rebate, even though people who don't pay any taxes are eligible for a rebate), and now I am even more against it.

Too rich for the Democrats to care about me, too poor for the Republicans to care.

/Not bitter
//Okay, bitter

This isn't free money, it's just going to drop your tax refund by the same amount.

I'm planning on putting that money in my savings account.

Does that mean that I hate America?

Cry cry cry...

Seriously, libs, we live in a world of 'Consumers' and 'Producers'. Guess what - the evil corporations and ultra-rich are what we call 'producers' in politically correct terms. That means the people who are not business owners or rich are 'consumers'.

Seriously though, you should be jumping for joy at this plan as it screws over Peter to pay Paul.

You'll get over it.

Shaggy_C: Cry cry cry...

Seriously, libs, we live in a world of 'Consumers' and 'Producers'. Guess what - the evil corporations and ultra-rich are what we call 'producers' in politically correct terms. That means the people who are not business owners or rich are 'consumers'.

Seriously though, you should be jumping for joy at this plan as it screws over Peter to pay Paul.

You'll get over it.

This.

Why is consuming so bad, anyways? I've never understood the animosity from liberals.

SingletonFactory: Too rich for the Democrats to care about me, too poor for the Republicans to care.

That's ok, in the grand scheme of things, it's only $300-1600 "free money". This free money isn't being spent on anything that can possibly return the investment. At least some of the Keynesian people realized that giving people money for nothing is stupid.

slobarnuts: At least some of the Keynesian people realized that giving people money for nothing is stupid.

Escept farmers.

And just to clear up my position, that last post was directed specifically at Bonzo_1116; I used the term 'libs' but it was not meant to be an indictment of the liberal worldview. I apologize for coming off in a crass manner.

/Liberal

Anyone else notice how desperately the democrats are trying to take full credit for all of this? because honestly, it'd be the only thing they've actually gotten done since they took the majority.

Shaggy_C: And just to clear up my position, that last post was directed specifically at Bonzo_1116; I used the term 'libs' but it was not meant to be an indictment of the liberal worldview. I apologize for coming off in a crass manner.

/Liberal

I'm assuming that this was directed at me.

In my own narrow minded view, I separate liberals and Democrats. Just as I separate fundies from Republicans. From what I've read of your past posts, you seem to be from the less extreme.

Dont post on Fark drunk, kids.

Desterion: Anyone else notice how desperately the democrats are trying to take full credit for all of this? because honestly, it'd be the only thing they've actually gotten done since they took the majority.

Anyone else notice how desperately the....

fark it, your logic is bullshiat. Either you do not know how the whole legislative process works, or you're just trolling.

Trolling is my first guess.

vartian: there are many other things that could stimulate the economy. Like building something, for instance and, you know, giving people jobs and such. A universal health care system would employ a bunch of people, too.

While were discussion really slow injections of stimulus, you should mention burying food scrap to generate fossil fuels.

BTW, fake jobs created by a government crutch are worthless in the long run.

Fail: It's what you did.

discussion discussing

/crunk

Frank N Stein: I'm assuming that this was directed at me.

No, no, I was just responding to the 'I can't believe I'm referred to as a CONSUMER!!11!' post. I agree with you.

slobarnuts: Trolling is my first guess.

yeah. I deleted about 3 replies before I finally decided it wasn't worth the bother

lolmao666: With that money I suggest you buy guns or dried food. You'll need it. Or gold, or silver. You won't be able to eat your 42 plasma TV or your PS3.

THIS.

You can't fight Chinese Lebensraum with a Chinese made PS3.

Frank N Stein: Why is consuming so bad, anyways? I've never understood the animosity from liberals.

I'll take a whack at this one.

Consumption, in and of itself, isn't a bad thing. It makes the economy go. What's bad is the constant American mindset of more-bigger-faster-now consumption, consuming beyond your means, equating wants with needs, and equating stuff with happiness and success. Our culture lauds these character flaws as virtues, all in the name of convincing you to buy shiat that you don't need. "Consuming" the base definition gets tainted by "consuming" the modern paradigm.

/socially liberal, fiscally conservative

Occam's Chainsaw: equating wants with needs

eg, socialized medicine

And as I side note, I've found Europe (generally) to be more vain than the United States. The economic structuring only causes the average person to covet posh appearance because it is that much harder to achieve.

Occam's Chainsaw: Consumption, in and of itself, isn't a bad thing. It makes the economy go. What's bad is the constant American mindset of more-bigger-faster-now consumption, consuming beyond your means, equating wants with needs, and equating stuff with happiness and success. Our culture lauds these character flaws as virtues, all in the name of convincing you to buy shiat that you don't need. "Consuming" the base definition gets tainted by "consuming" the modern paradigm.

FTFY

Frank N Stein: Shaggy_C: And just to clear up my position, that last post was directed specifically at Bonzo_1116; I used the term 'libs' but it was not meant to be an indictment of the liberal worldview. I apologize for coming off in a crass manner.

/Liberal

I'm assuming that this was directed at me.

In my own narrow minded view, I separate liberals and Democrats. Just as I separate fundies from Republicans. From what I've read of your past posts, you seem to be from the less extreme.

Dont post on Fark drunk, kids.

Why do you seperate Liberals from Democrats? Fundies from anything I can see. Being a Liberal isn't a bad thing.

USP .45: Occam's Chainsaw: equating wants with needs

eg, socialized medicine

And as I side note, I've found Europe (generally) to be more vain than the United States. The economic structuring only causes the average person to covet posh appearance because it is that much harder to achieve.

We're not doing this dance again. I say proper health care is a societal need, you say it's a want, allemande left...

European vanity and American vanity are just different symptoms of the same disease. Europeans wear couture, Americans strap a $80,000 metal box to their ass.

log_jammin: FTFY

It was actually pretty good unedited, although I would have put it in the context of service economies rather than specifically the US.

Service economies thrive on selling and consuming bullshiat made from thin air.

Occam's Chainsaw: We're not doing this dance again. I say proper health care is a societal need, you say it's a want, allemande left...

European vanity and American vanity are just different symptoms of the same disease. Europeans wear couture, Americans strap a $80,000 metal box to their ass.

Yeah, I was just saying.

I'd like to see the morons at Prada try and create a Durable Good.

Occam's Chainsaw: I say proper health care is a societal need, you say it's a want

Sorry to drag this out, but I say it's a want based on the fact that it wasn't ever a want or a "need" until recently, while fundamental rights exist through time.

Perhaps 500 years from now we will all be Übermensch and disease/war/premature death will be a thing of the past. All societal woes will be gone, but the world will be in demand for a regular supply of entertainment because everything else is so risk free and stable.

The 50" plasma screen will be the "societal need" of the future.

Ah so we spend, spend, spend more borrowed money which we'll have to pay back eventually at a higher cost due to interest. Or the Fed prints more money which will devalue the dollar even more.

Hey kids, recession is a natural part of the economy. Tinkering with it by spending money we don't have will only make it worse in the long run.

HA! They're not gonna buy ME off with a mere $300.00!

My price is $375.00. And a six-pack.

And next year my tax refund will be down to around a buck-fifty.

So I'm certainly stimulated.

Gregory F. Stuart: I for one am glad that we have strong Republican leaders in Congress and in the White House, and I encourage everyone to vote straight-ticket Republican in 2008, because Republicans know what's right for America.

I think I know who's alt you are

Why not cut the payroll tax? Super cereal. That way, those who MAKE MONEY, won't get taxed as much. Which means the government won't have to print a bunch of checks (who knows how much that costs). it's on par with getting a direct deposit.

it's probably b/c of those fags who like to physically hold their check as they cash it at the bank. What a bunch of tools.


/would totally pay chess with teh government b/c they can't think ahead

"Why is consuming so bad, anyways? I've never understood the animosity from liberals."

Never read the Bible, huh?

Gregory F. Stuart: log_jammin: I think I know who's alt you are

Yes, that's right: skookum.

You're sane, literate, and punctuated. Doubtful.

Occam's Chainsaw: literate, and punctuated.

he's actually fairly literate.

Now sane? well...not so much.

log_jammin: Occam's Chainsaw: literate, and punctuated.

he's actually fairly literate.

Now sane? well...not so much.

Sane enough, just a nihilist or pursuing a vendetta against America. I've yet to see him post anything nearly as audacious as A_D or skookum.

Occam's Chainsaw: I've yet to see him post anything nearly as audacious as A_D or skookum.

heh! sorry. I meant skookum. since thats who Gregory F. Stuart said he was the alt of.

Is there a Farkgossip page somewhere, where you have threads all about yourselves and this and that and what it's like to sit in a big imagined golden digital thrown? What is it going on here with you guys and your bullshiatting huh? Why also you are talking about "Tetsuma" and how ron paul is a good candidate? He wants to protect every one of you from the government's helpful hintings, while trying to keep less of your money, and he wants, best part this is, he wants to end america invading other countries on weak pretenses!
And you see how small he looks too at the podium and its very funny it is to see this mousey-faced man talking crazy at the debates and everyone you see kind of laugh at his words, even while he is talking.


& I'm sorry I don't know how to make the music notes



I love this countree@
it has been so sweet to me
take away my liberty
so that government is free!
Take away my money
Cause the government tells me
all the things I ought to do
because I'm dumb and We are too.


How you like your neck-chip jim?
Oh I think it's very fitting
helps keep me safe and sound
technoshackles don't way a lb.

Goverment, please help I'm loose
can't be safe, I'm such a silly goose
Nanny state please tell me what to say
whatever's in the pledge and that we hate gaze
Average voter please tell me what to do
they always knows whats good for you.



/Got a little carried away there.

Couple things. If it's capped at $1200 how is the woman in the first couple paragraphs suppose to be getting $1500?

Second, why is it that Bush created these tax cuts that he's wanted to make permanent that probably has put us WAY in debt and that's good, but congress passes a "one time" tax stimulus package and that's the worst thing ever.

Shaggy_C
Seriously, libs, we live in a world of 'Consumers' and 'Producers'.

Says more about your priorities than about the world, methinks.

Frank N Stein
Why is consuming so bad, anyways?

It isn't, inherently. But having the wrong priorities, that's a different story.

mistahtom
Why not cut the payroll tax?

I'm all for a progressive tax cut focused on the economically-stagnant middle class, but that doesn't provide the short-term bump in consumer purchases that they're looking to create with this stimulus.

It's sense. What's a bigger priority -- decaying bridges and roads, under-funded schools and health care, reductions is basic science research, public transit, alternative energy -- or making sure every American can afford an HDTV?

I said it once and I'll say it again. I'm going to do the most Un-American thing I can with this money... I'm going to pay off debt.

/fark stimulating the economy.

mrexcess: But having the wrong priorities, that's a different story

And who decides what the "right" priorities are?

Occam's Chainsaw:

Sane enough, just a nihilist or pursuing a vendetta against America. I've yet to see him post anything nearly as audacious as A_D or skookum.



Nihilist? fark me...

log_jammin: Gregory F. Stuart: I for one am glad that we have strong Republican leaders in Congress and in the White House, and I encourage everyone to vote straight-ticket Republican in 2008, because Republicans know what's right for America.

I think I know who's alt you are

It's pretty obvious, isn't it? VK

I plan to donate my rebate to a certain "longshot" candidate. I may use my credit card to float it.

This entire country is full of mindless PACMANs running around consuming every shiny little pellet in front of them. Mindless consumption is all most people even know about life. And when you have no more money left to use to consume? Borrow on credit cards and spend that! And when your credit is maxxed out? Take out the equity in your home and spend that! And when that's all gone and foreclosure and bankruptcy is imminent? Beg the government for a handout and spend that!

Filthy consumers. Why is it that giving money to already rich people/corporations in exchange for plastic trinkets is seen as the highest achievement in your life?

FAIRTAX