Eeeesh...go away, Rummy.

Whatever he's for, I'm against it.
No matter what it is, if he commenced it, I'm against it.

What? Did Fox say something bad about the Bush administration or something?

I say Stephen Colbert should head up the Department of Truthiness, and we'll all be better off for it.

Let's just call it "Pravda" and be done with it Rummy. Maybe you'd be happy then.

Propaganda? In our military strategy? It's more likely (and essential) than you think. (new window)

I think it's a great idea.

We have completely won over the Iraq people but somehow the media pretends that things are still bad there. We need a new office to tell Americans the good news.


/I'm not an employee of that office.

oldebayer: Whatever he's for, I'm against it.
No matter what it is, if he commenced it, I'm against it.

Ah one of the best Groucho musical bits out there. http://youtube.com/watch?v=0PY7N4iRgLQ (new window)

damageddude: What? Did Fox say something bad about the Bush administration or something?

Really. If FoxNews is named the Ministry of Truth and becomes a government branch, is Rupert Murdoch a US Government employee or just Chairman?

Link (now with less fail)

nekom: Whatever he's for, I'm against it.
No matter what it is, if he commenced it, I'm against it.

oldebayer: Ah one of the best Groucho musical bits out there.

I prefer "Lydia the Tatoo'ed Lady," but only slightly.

Oh, and Rummy, here's a heads-up for ya:

Too Late... Tim Riley already has the Ministry of Truth.

TEG

/rileylive.com

Die Rummy. Just die.

I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

Suck my memory hole, Rummy.

What the hell is wrong with these people? Has everyone in the administration been abused or something?

Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it.

Private media does not get up in the morning and say what can we do to promote the values and ideas that the free Western nations believe in? It gets up in the morning and says they're going to try to make money by selling whatever they sell

Why does Donald Rumsfeld hate free market capitalism?

MasterThief: Propaganda? In our military strategy? It's more likely (and essential) than you think. (new window)



Thanks, Citizen!

A new agency? Seems that'd be well inside CIA turf (for the covert ops) and State Department (for the official releases).

Settle down Goebbels.

Bastard would be strung up if the truth was known.

Ministry of Truth? With a Nightwatch division of informers? President Clark approves.

...in fire.

The fact is that propaganda is an essential part of any war effort, particularly a counter-insurgency. The difference between Rumsfeld and myself is that he sees that as an argument in favor of propaganda. I see it as an argument against war.

In a just world, he'd have been tried and convicted for war crimes already.

/is it any wonder that we reject the International Criminal Court?

Wolf_Blitzer: ...in fire.

Kosh?

Control_this: I think it's a great idea.

We have completely won over the Iraq people but somehow the media pretends that things are still bad there. We need a new office to tell Americans the good news.


/I'm not an employee of that office.

But you're looking for work, right?

You cannot have a war without propaganda, you cannot have a free nation with it. The true character of someone is shown based on what they take away from those two facts.

George Orwell's Prediction

Driving Without Pants: is it any wonder that we reject the International Criminal Court?

United States Constitution:
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

[...]

The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish

/no, it's not really any wonder.

Private media Donald Rumsfeld does not get up in the morning and say what can we do to promote the values and ideas that the free Western nations believe in? It He gets up in the morning and says they're he's going to try to make money by selling whatever they sell endless war, financed by American tax dollars.

ftfy

Maybe I'm in the slight minority here but wouldn't some kind of system of checks and controls - not saying governmental controls, more like civilian oversight, a division of common sense or some shiat - be wonderful for this day and age of mass media?

Just.. I dunno. A filtered format of news that would cut the shiat out of the media broadcasts... less talk of the Hiltons and the Spears and more talk of the actual 'news' that exists in our society? An org that focuses more on asking the leaders the hard questions and one that would show them for the unethical lieing pieces of skank that they are?


I dunno. I guess I don't trust my government. I don't trust the people that report on it either. I'd love to just see a daily action list, like:

--Today in Washington--
1) A vote was passed in the Senate allowing 300bil more funding for Iraq.
1a) The following riders were attached: x (posted by Rep A, B, and C), y (posted by Rep A, B), z (posted by Rep A)
1b) The following senators voted yes:
- A, B, C, D, E
1c) the following senators voted no:
- F, G, H

2) The white house met with global leady of third world nation U today. The following topics were discussed:


...and so on, and so on. Would cut out a lot of the bullshiat. =\

Churchill2004: The fact is that propaganda is an essential part of any war effort, particularly a counter-insurgency. The difference between Rumsfeld and myself is that he sees that as an argument in favor of propaganda. I see it as an argument against war.

THIS

AkaranD: Maybe I'm in the slight minority here but wouldn't some kind of system of checks and controls - not saying governmental controls, more like civilian oversight, a division of common sense or some shiat - be wonderful for this day and age of mass media?

Just.. I dunno. A filtered format of news that would cut the shiat out of the media broadcasts... less talk of the Hiltons and the Spears and more talk of the actual 'news' that exists in our society? An org that focuses more on asking the leaders the hard questions and one that would show them for the unethical lieing pieces of skank that they are?


I dunno. I guess I don't trust my government. I don't trust the people that report on it either. I'd love to just see a daily action list, like:

--Today in Washington--
1) A vote was passed in the Senate allowing 300bil more funding for Iraq.
1a) The following riders were attached: x (posted by Rep A, B, and C), y (posted by Rep A, B), z (posted by Rep A)
1b) The following senators voted yes:
- A, B, C, D, E
1c) the following senators voted no:
- F, G, H

2) The white house met with global leady of third world nation U today. The following topics were discussed:


...and so on, and so on. Would cut out a lot of the bullshiat. =\

Isn't he dead? Come on, Rummy, you got thrown under the farking bus in 2006. Nobody gives a damn about a retarded old prune who farked up the country. Now sit down and shut up before Bush remembers you're still kicking and puts all the blame for this fiasco solely on your head.

Nobody will really believe him, but the last thing you need as you get shipped into a home is having nurses whose husbands you helped kill.

"A new agency has to be something that would take advantage of the wonderful opportunities that exist today" Donald Rumsfeld FTA

"There's another way to phrase that and that is that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. It is basically saying the same thing in a different way. Simply because you do not have evidence that something does exist does not mean that you have evidence that it doesn't exist."

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."


AHhhhaaaaaaaaaaa the possiblities.......

Satyagraha: Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know

I despise Rumsfeld with a passion, but I never understood the flak he got for this quote. It makes perfect sense to me, even if the wording is a bit awkward. In fact it seems like an important thing to keep in mind in the intelligence/analysis field, which is one thing the SecDef deals with a lot.

darkhorse23: Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it.

I don't think these care about remembering history, they just don't want to know about the present.

He should just be happy with Fox News and be done with it. Just quit while he is ahead.

Churchill2004:
I despise Rumsfeld with a passion, but I never understood the flak he got for this quote. It makes perfect sense to me, even if the wording is a bit awkward. In fact it seems like an important thing to keep in mind in the intelligence/analysis field, which is one thing the SecDef deals with a lot.

If you are talking the failure to find WMDs in Iraq?

Then, there's the things we say we know that we don't know...

"I can't tell you if the use of force in Iraq today will last five days, five weeks or five months, but it won't last any longer than that."

"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." -on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction


/Know what I mean?
//Say no more

Satyagraha: If you are talking the failure to find WMDs in Iraq?

If he was using it to justify that, I could understand the criticism. Still, the basic concept he's getting at is accurate (even if he's dishonestly applying it).

Nothing going on here, please move along.
(I would have figured a pic of this guy was obligatory)

*sigh*

The children at Wired are at it again.

Churchill2004

Google "supremacy clause" and get back to me.

The reason for our refusal to get on board with the ICC could not be more obvious. We don't want Americans to be subject to punishment for committing war crimes and other breaches of international law.

Rumsfeld was talking his lack of finding WMDs in both previous quotes.
He has as S.O.D. attempted to plant stories in Iraqi AND US papers that were purely propaganda and some outright lies so this story is no new news to those of us who have followed his "Ministry of Truth" attempts...

Just as Winston Smith's job was to rectify history to conform to Big Brother's truth so Rumsfeld's work is to rectify the nattering nabobs of negativism that fail to conform to the republican/corporate "truth" of America, as he's defined

Yep, that was bound to be next.

Let me know when MiniLove and the Thought Police get going, so I can pack my bags for Antarctica.

St. Orwell was only slightly ahead of his time....

to faithfully persue, the policy of truth

Driving Without Pants: Google "supremacy clause" and get back to me.

It doesn't matter. The vesting clauses in Articles One and Three clearly state that all legislative and judicial power under the Constitution is vested in the Congress, the Supreme Court, and the inferior Federal courts. There is no provision in the Constitution for transferring any of that authority to any other body. Transferring legislative/judicial authority to a foreign entity is just as unconstitutional as Congress transferring its legislative powers to the President.

Driving Without Pants: The reason for our refusal to get on board with the ICC could not be more obvious. We don't want Americans to be subject to punishment for committing war crimes and other breaches of international law

The motivations are irrelevant, since the Congress has no authority to place American citizens under the legislative/judicial power of any other entity other than those entities which the Constitution specifically vests those powers in.

Jon Snow: i29.tinypic.com

And yet, if I were a government employee looking to make a similar poster about Al-Qaeda in Arabic ("Hi people, your blood and treasure is helping me kill thousands of your friends and relatives and making me famous!") and have it run in an Iraqi newspaper, you guys would be screaming like stuck pigs.

Why would Al-Qaeda need to spend all their time and money building up English-language propaganda organs to spread its ideology? The internationalist left and their media hangers-on 1) do it for free, 2) get to call it free speech, and 3) have buffaloed the government into catatonic unresponsiveness through hand-waving and dime-a-dozen references to 1984.

Best way to win: convince your enemies not to fight. And the best way to do that is to control what they see and hear, and to do it in such a way that your enemy doesn't even know he's being manipulated, and that fighting back is morally wrong.

Ideas are weapons, and the mind is a battlefield. Praise Allah and pass the ammunition.

And here we have one of the few people in this world that I will beat the shiat out of if I ever met in person solely on principle. Sadly, I don't have a list to share. I call 'em as I see 'em. The consequences be damned. Somebody put me on a list.