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(CTV) Followup Palestinians: I'll see your water cannon, and raise you a bulldozer   (ctv.ca) divider line 35
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sigdiamond2000 [TotalFark] 2008-01-25 09:18:34 PM  
These Ron Paul supporters have crossed the line.

 
DarnoKonrad 2008-01-25 09:30:47 PM  
Can't have those Palestinians breaking out of their prison. Who the hell do they think they are?

 
chu2dogg 2008-01-25 09:44:41 PM  
More of Israel's brutality of the Palestinians

;)

 
glaurunge 2008-01-25 09:44:49 PM  
DarnoKonrad: Can't have those Palestinians breaking out of their prison. Who the hell do they think they are?

Why can't those filthy Arabs get back into their concentration camp, and just lay down and die like they're supposed to? Savages.

 
Quel [TotalFark] 2008-01-25 09:48:08 PM  
Recall all Repuglikkkans: I blame all these on the British. If the British hadn't interfered in the Middle East, we wouldn't have all these separate countries. No Egypt, no Syria, no Jordan, no Israel, no Palestanian areas. All one big Arab country and people wouldn't be convinced of their petty little "national" differences. Palestine used to cover the entire region and there is no reason why the Palestinians shouldn't be able to go back to their ancestural Egyptian homeland.

You make it seem like the British came out of nowhere and just farked everything up. They took the territory during WWI, you know, when the Turks who owned the place sided with the Germans?

It was not one big Arab country, it was one big Arab region. To function in the modern world where everything is part of a country, you have to draw lines, and that leaves someone pissed no matter how it is done. It doesn't matter who made the move, it needed to be done. When it comes down to it, no matter how you draw the lines over there, SOMEONE is going to be pissed off.

 
beoswulf 2008-01-25 09:48:18 PM  
Recall all Repuglikkkans: there is no reason why the Palestinians shouldn't be able to go back to their ancestural Egyptian homeland.

WTF is a Palestinian? There is no such thing.

 
HotWingConspiracy [TotalFark] 2008-01-25 09:52:34 PM  
I think they just wanted to get the bulldozer washed.

 
chu2dogg 2008-01-25 10:03:17 PM  
Quel It was not one big Arab country, it was one big Arab region. To function in the modern world where everything is part of a country, you have to draw lines, and that leaves someone pissed no matter how it is done. It doesn't matter who made the move, it needed to be done. When it comes down to it, no matter how you draw the lines over there, SOMEONE is going to be pissed off.

You do NOT understand! This is what happens when you drop JEWS and colonialists in a Arabic and Islamic land. You see, what happens is, the colonists instigate the arabs to attack the JEWS, they use this as a pretext to CONQUER more land and subjugate arab peoples. Then when the arabs living in those lands move out to their original countries and are repressed because they JEWS will not give them their own state back that they originally had when it was controlled by Jordan and Egypt. Then Jordan and Egypt keep them their because their state is Palestine and NOT Jordan and Egypt like it was before Israel subjugated their peoples. Its really quite simple.

 
Prospero424 [TotalFark] 2008-01-25 10:04:45 PM  
You know what this world needs? More walls on borders.

They just solve all of our problems, don't they?

 
muck4doo [TotalFark] 2008-01-25 10:14:21 PM  
Recall all Repuglikkkans: I blame all these on the BritishOttaman Empire. If the British hadn't interfered in the Middle East Europes first world war, we wouldn't have all these separate countries. No Egypt, no Syria, no Jordan, no Israel, no Palestanian areas. All one big Arab countryCaliphate and people wouldn't be convinced of their petty little "national"regional differences. Palestine used to cover the entire region not exist and there is no reason why the Palestinians Jordyptians shouldn't be able to go back to their ancestural Egyptian/Jordanian homeland.

FTFY

 
Kohl 2008-01-25 10:21:47 PM  
beoswulf: Recall all Repuglikkkans: there is no reason why the Palestinians shouldn't be able to go back to their ancestural Egyptian homeland.

WTF is a Palestinian? There is no such thing.


Them. The people in the article? Dudes chillin' on a demolished wall?

Try to keep up with the rest of the class.

 
video man 2008-01-25 10:26:16 PM  
Yep, they neez moar rox!
/Screw Israel
// Forced my girlfriend's grandparents out of Israel because they were Muslim.
/// It doesn't matter if they were kicked around for all their existence, don't do the same thing to others.

 
Quel [TotalFark] 2008-01-25 10:40:59 PM  
Recall all Repuglikkkans: Quel: To function in the modern world where everything is part of a country, you have to draw lines

That's your assumption. No one HAD to draw lines. The region worked perfectly well as a single entity. Could you imagine how much better the world would have been if no one had ever interfered and create the state of Israel out of thin air?


Okay, and who is going to LEAD your mystical Arab unified country? Talk to the people in Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and a few other places, and then get back to met on that one. Face it, Israel may create a farked up situation, but you can't think of one that would actually be any better.

 
JSTACAT [TotalFark] 2008-01-25 10:41:08 PM  
it would be interesting if a million or so Palestinians decided to borrow some egyptian land..

its sparsely populated there, it makes no sense to stay in a cramped war zone..

i think Egypt has a lot of new citizens, and there isn't anything they can do about it.
its too far from Memphis to control...

 
video man 2008-01-25 10:51:00 PM  
Quel: Recall all Repuglikkkans: Quel: To function in the modern world where everything is part of a country, you have to draw lines

That's your assumption. No one HAD to draw lines. The region worked perfectly well as a single entity. Could you imagine how much better the world would have been if no one had ever interfered and create the state of Israel out of thin air?

Okay, and who is going to LEAD your mystical Arab unified country? Talk to the people in Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and a few other places, and then get back to met on that one. Face it, Israel may create a farked up situation, but you can't think of one that would actually be any better.



Last time I checked Jordan, and Iran are pretty stable.

 
JSTACAT [TotalFark] 2008-01-25 10:54:31 PM  
FTA
""The development prompted Israel's deputy defence minister Matan Vilnai to say Israel wants to begin to hand over control of Gaza to Egypt, since the border divide had been opened.

Egypt quickly dismissed the suggestion.

//Famous Last Words:
"The border will go back as normal,' said Egyptian Foreign Ministry spokesman Hossam Zaki.

"The current situation is only an exception and for temporary reasons.'

odd, nobody else wants them?/? or their $ ...

 
Quel [TotalFark] 2008-01-25 10:55:03 PM  
video man: Quel: Recall all Repuglikkkans: Quel: To function in the modern world where everything is part of a country, you have to draw lines

That's your assumption. No one HAD to draw lines. The region worked perfectly well as a single entity. Could you imagine how much better the world would have been if no one had ever interfered and create the state of Israel out of thin air?

Okay, and who is going to LEAD your mystical Arab unified country? Talk to the people in Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and a few other places, and then get back to met on that one. Face it, Israel may create a farked up situation, but you can't think of one that would actually be any better.


Last time I checked Jordan, and Iran are pretty stable.


I didn't say they weren't. I said that if you tried to combine all of those countries into a single Arab region, as he previously said was viable, that it just wouldn't work out. Just saying that lines were drawn, and due to how the world works now, HAD to be drawn, and someone wasn't going to like it.

 
WorldCitizen [TotalFark] 2008-01-25 10:58:59 PM  
JSTACAT: FTA
""The development prompted Israel's deputy defence minister Matan Vilnai to say Israel wants to begin to hand over control of Gaza to Egypt, since the border divide had been opened.

Egypt quickly dismissed the suggestion.

//Famous Last Words:
"The border will go back as normal,' said Egyptian Foreign Ministry spokesman Hossam Zaki.

"The current situation is only an exception and for temporary reasons.'

odd, nobody else wants them?/? or their $ ...


Yeah, you would think. Here is a chance for the Arabs to "free" millions of Palestinians from Israel. If Israel handed over control, the Arabs could set up a free, independent Palestinian state and help them rebuild in Gaza. Right? Right? Instead, it's "um, no, no, that's OK, you can have them back, Israel. Nothing to see here. Everyone move on..."

 
JSTACAT [TotalFark] 2008-01-25 11:13:03 PM  
WorldCitizen:

The Egyptians don't even want the Gaza territory control..

// the situation is horrible, as the People sense that they arn't welcomed anywhere.
They will do as people will and come bust'n out of there..
Egypt is feeling a bit sweaty,
sweaty enough to make deals with Israel?

what would America do if 20 mill Mexicans suddenly appeared in the south, all over the south[proportional]

this story will grow...

 
Farkomatic 2008-01-25 11:44:48 PM  
Recall all Repuglikkkans: Palestine used to cover the entire region and there is no reason why the Palestinians shouldn't be able to go back to their ancestural Egyptian homeland.

That's a very astute observation with the exception, there never has been a Palestine. They call themselves Palestinians, but have never had their own land. They squat on borrowed land until they get expelled for blowing up their host country's mommies and their babies. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

The Egyptians don't want them because the Pals will start attacking them just like they have every country that's expelled them.

 
themindiswatching 2008-01-25 11:59:07 PM  
My god monster is better than yours. *takes your house, lets you have the closet by the front door and a room upstairs*

/no, you can't travel freely between the two

 
palmtree 2008-01-26 12:27:32 AM  
themindiswatching

My god monster is better than yours. *takes your house, lets you have the closet by the front door and a room upstairs*

/no, you can't travel freely between the two


Correct. The point of Israeli settlements is to destroy any chance of a continuous (and thus functional) Palestinian state.
God monster is just a convenient excuse- economics and resources are the real fuel in this fire. As Israel and Egypt continue to urabanize (and subsequently suffer from declining birth rates), the need for Palestinian labor will continue to increase until one day all this political b.s. is just a distant memory.
/ Follow the money.

 
log_jammin [TotalFark] 2008-01-26 01:28:24 AM  
Recall all Repuglikkkans: That's your assumption. No one HAD to draw lines. The region worked perfectly well as a single entity.

Then why don't they do that? There isn't a thing stopping them from creating the United States of the Middle East.

 
SmokeyMirror [TotalFark] 2008-01-26 01:54:04 AM  
beoswulf: Recall all Repuglikkkans: there is no reason why the Palestinians shouldn't be able to go back to their ancestural Egyptian homeland.

WTF is a Palestinian? There is no such thing.


Farkomatic: That's a very astute observation with the exception, there never has been a Palestine. They call themselves Palestinians, but have never had their own land. They squat on borrowed land until they get expelled for blowing up their host country's mommies and their babies. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

The Egyptians don't want them because the Pals will start attacking them just like they have every country that's expelled them.


Oh for the love of god.

Seriously, I don't know who started this whole "There's no such thing as a Palestinian" game. If it makes you feel any better, call them Palestinian Arabs, because that's what they are. They're Arabs who lived on that land (some of the families were there for centuries) before the whole 'Arab Nationalism' thing took over.

Honestly, going on and repeating that bullshiat makes as much sense as saying "There's no such thing as an Israeli" and "There's no such thing as an American". Palestinian is not a farking ethnic group, it's a claim (however right or wrong you think that claim is) to a nationality.

 
log_jammin [TotalFark] 2008-01-26 02:26:00 AM  
Recall all Repuglikkkans: The region could still be a singular unified country

Why haven't they made steps in that direction?

 
log_jammin [TotalFark] 2008-01-26 03:11:12 AM  
Recall all Repuglikkkans: Because they were artificially split up and are now living within their separate spheres.

so why haven't they taken steps toward forming an EU type of collation?

 
SmokeyMirror [TotalFark] 2008-01-26 03:56:36 AM  
log_jammin: so why haven't they taken steps toward forming an EU type of collation?

There are many people in the Arab world (the Pan-Arabists) who want exactly that (and more, actually. They believe in a single unified Arab state). At the moment though, the people in charge are more Nationalist in their ideology.

After 50+ years of separate development, I'd say the nationalist ideal makes more sense. The different countries in the Arab world are very different places, socially as well as economically. Most of them really don't have enough in common to form any sort of coalition.

 
log_jammin [TotalFark] 2008-01-26 04:24:04 AM  
SmokeyMirror: The different countries in the Arab world are very different places, socially as well as economically. Most of them really don't have enough in common to form any sort of coalition.

That was the point I was building up to

 
mrexcess [TotalFark] 2008-01-26 08:37:16 AM  
chu2dogg
More of Israel's brutality of the Palestinians

You can sit here making dumb jokes. Or you could ask yourself, "why are the Palestinians in Gaza so desperate as to risk their lives by Zerg rushing the Egyptian military just so they can go shopping?".

 
mrexcess [TotalFark] 2008-01-26 08:38:36 AM  
Farkomatic
The Egyptians don't want them because the Pals will start attacking them just like they have every country that's expelled them.

Gotta love those wholly racist, factually unsupported assertions.

 
quatchi 2008-01-26 12:52:35 PM  
Smokey Mirror: Seriously, I don't know who started this whole "There's no such thing as a Palestinian" game

Remember Golda Meir?

There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist." -- Golda Meir

It's typical zionist rhetoric that one encounters even unto this day in blogworld. The rest of the world largely recognises that the entire place was called Palestine till the state of Israel was artificially founded after WII cos everybody felt so bad about the whole holocaust thing. Now the Israelis act like they've been there all along and the Palestinians are the Johnny come latelys with no claim wotsoever to the land that they've lived on for generations. There are some Palestinians who are holding onto the freaking keys to the houses that have been usurped by Israeli settlers but apparently they never lived there according to the rabid reichwing hawks in Israel.

/Am Pro-Israeli but anti-Zionist.
//Yes, that IS possible.

 
quatchi 2008-01-26 12:55:48 PM  
Tear Down the Wall?

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Approves.

 
ilambiquated 2008-01-26 03:32:42 PM  
chu2dogg: More of Israel's brutality of the Palestinians

;)


Egypt and Israel are allies guys. No wonder they treat the Palestinians the same way.

news.bbc.co.uk

 
RanDomino 2008-01-27 03:02:39 PM  
Gaza has a bulldozer?? Oh man, they should take it up against the Israeli bulldozers! Post-Apocalyptic bulldozer jousting! Fark yeah!

 
RanDomino 2008-01-27 03:13:21 PM  
mrexcess
You can sit here making dumb jokes. Or you could ask yourself, "why are the Palestinians in Gaza so desperate as to risk their lives by Zerg rushing the Egyptian military just so they can go shopping?".
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