I second that, the media has been just brutal with their unrelentingly hostile coverage of Obama. Right?

The net result is less Carville and Begala on CNN. Just for that, I'll be voting for Obama.

redking194: I second that, the media has been just brutal with their unrelentingly hostile coverage of Obama. Right?

Yeah. I saw Matt Lauer bludgeon Hillary this morning over unfair attacks. Lets get this straight, I hate Hillary, but Obama is media preferred.

OMFG !! That's reason enough for me to vote against Obama.

azmoviez: Yeah. I saw Matt Lauer bludgeon Hillary this morning over unfair attacks. Lets get this straight, I hate Hillary, but Obama is media preferred.

I think it has more to do with the fact that the Clintons are being complete assholes.

Seems kind of stupid to have most of your analysis of the Democratic primary be done by supporters of one of the candidates.
Either get spin doctors for each candidate to argue or have some [at least somewhat) impartial analysis.

The media have without exception been reporting the virtual ties in New Hampshire and Nevada as decisive victories for Clinton.

Not just "same number of delegates each, but a few percent more actual votes for Clinton, therefor technically could be considered a victory in terms of momentum or whatever", but as "remarkable victory", "amazing comeback", "stunning upset", etc.

Isn't Carville working for Clinton anyway? No reason they should be letting him on the air, its just a bad conflict of interest.

CNN was seriously embarrassed after Carville was practically masturbating himself on camera over Hillary's performance at a debate last year. This was a good move on CNN's part.

Code_Archeologist: Carville was practically masturbating himself

I just threw up in my mouth, a lot.

It has, and the Clinton's are playing a republican campaign by the book so sure, why NOT try and level of the playing field from their ridiculous voter suppressing vantage point?

SilentStrider: Isn't Carville working for Clinton anyway? No reason they should be letting him on the air, its just a bad conflict of interest.

Yup. CNN basically gets to say "Hey McDonalds VP of Marketing, what is your take on fast food?"

Wow hearsay on a blog, it must be TRUE!!!!1111one

Jebus, these articles are just getting more and more insipid.

The media has been BLATANTLY rooting for B. Hussein Obama since day 1.
They just dont want someone with experience to go against McCain.
The Democrats know that there is no way that a colored guy with an admitted past filled with drug use and named Biraq Hussein Obama is going to carry the south.
Running a female from Arkansas who has 35 years of experience is the way to go, but, the mainstream media is hell bent on making B. Hussein Obama run so that the republicans can have another landslide. Some dems just dont get that.
/B. Hussein Obama in the election is like shooting fish in a barrel for the republicans.
//Nothing against the guy, but, he just isnt qualified and Hillary is.
///She can hit the ground running, B.Hussein couldnt hit the ground if he fell on it.
////B. Hussein Obama reminds me of a certain deputy on a certain television show...
//

Oh yes, i went there.

The media wants a Clinton presidency...not so much because it's what they believe in, but because of the material they will provide.

The Clintons are better suited for TMZ than CNN.

Hillary Clinton cannot lead on her own.

She needs her husband to fight her battles for her.

The Clinton News Network...well, someone had to post it.

I thought this was the Clinton News Network?

I need to start a blog. I heard that Clinton controls the weather and can part the Red Sea.

I_Approve_Of_This_Message: Hillary Clinton cannot lead on her own.

Why can't Hillary lead on her own? What makes it impossible for her like you state?

hillary4real:
The Democrats know that there is no way that a colored guy with

I know you're a troll, but colored? Are you a troll from 1943?

Why can't Hillary lead on her own? What makes it impossible for her like you state?

Dude, have you been paying attention to anything over the past couple of weeks?

She has demonstrated that she cannot win the nomination without her husband's help. How are we to believe that she can effectively lead the country without her husband's help?

With whom does the buck stop?

I_Approve_Of_This_Message: She has demonstrated that she cannot win the nomination without her husband's help. How are we to believe that she can effectively lead the country without her husband's help?

Actually her husband has been less involved in her campaign then she was when her husband ran. When her husband ran she was with him the whole time and participated in interviews with him.

Why are you using different criteria for a woman then a man?

Do you think women lack the skills to lead?

Bill had Hillary next to him the whole time during his campaign. Why do you have a double standard with her?

Sounds to me like the details don't bear out the headline. Farkland should be shocked.

Feist pointed out that a few other analysts aligned with campaigns of both parties had been told the same, and added that aligned analysts would only be appearing in contexts where they were acting as campaign surrogates. Carville did appear on Larry King on Jan. 9 as a surrogate.

Basically they'll still be on CNN, they'll just be representing Clinton explicitly when they do.
Seems fair considering they are on CNN largely because of the notoriety they achieved through the first Clinton campaign/administration.

I_Approve_Of_This_Message: With whom does the buck stop?

Do you forget the "Two for one" campaign that Bill was running on?

Are you ignoring history? Trying to rewrite it? or just have a separate standard for men and women?

The media (Oprah) thinks that they can Bully the Clintons out of the primaries and thereby hand the election over to the Republicans.
Fortunately, most of America can see through this charade and will still stand behind the most experienced candidate.
/Hillary offers hope and B. Hussein Obama offers an easy victory to the Republicans.
//Still amazed that some people are falling for whatever Oprah tells them to do rather than just looking at the facts to see who is the most qualified.
///Oprah is rich and powerful, but, she is still just a pushy old bat who thinks she is all that!
////Hillary at least has a chance and offers some hope to us dem's and isn't so far left that she will scare off 90% of the vote.

Corvus: Bill had Hillary next to him the whole time during his campaign. Why do you have a double standard with her?

Sorry to disappoint, but Bill was not running on his wife's record, like the way she is doing now. What substantial policies did she direct when she was in the white house...Healthcare?

/just because she changed the white house china plates does not mean she has experience.

hillary4real you forgot to spell his name Osama a few times.

Corvus: I_Approve_Of_This_Message: She has demonstrated that she cannot win the nomination without her husband's help. How are we to believe that she can effectively lead the country without her husband's help?

Actually her husband has been less involved in her campaign then she was when her husband ran. When her husband ran she was with him the whole time and participated in interviews with him.

Why are you using different criteria for a woman then a man?

Do you think women lack the skills to lead?

Bill had Hillary next to him the whole time during his campaign. Why do you have a double standard with her?

Had bush 41 come out attacking bush 43's republican opponents, people would have been disgusted by the blatant abuse of former office and cried out against the Royal nature of it. Bush 41, to his credit didn't even loudly endorse his son, realizing how inappropriate that would be.
In fact, no other president, sitting or former has in recent history (maybe ever, though unlikely) attacked their own party candidates to bolster their selected successor. Bill Clinton is the reigning symbol of the democratic party, Lowering himself from Mr. President to Mr. Attack Dog should make everyone feel dirty.

I would think anyone--regardless of the reason for doing so--should be honored with some sort of Humanitarian Award for having Carville and Begala removed from TV.

Corvus: At no time in his campaign, or administration, did Bill Clinton indicate a reliance on his wife in order to do his job.

The Lewinsky affair certainly demonstrated that.

Conversely, in the past few weeks, Hillary has demonstrated that she is completely reliant on her husband.

I would happily support a female candidate who is able to run on her own record and merits.

We're already endured 7+ years of a puppet administration. Do we really want another one?

SeismicJizzer: Sorry to disappoint, but Bill was not running on his wife's record, like the way she is doing now. What substantial policies did she direct when she was in the white house...Healthcare?

Well I am sorry if you are uneducated about the subject. Here let me help.


Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage.[125] She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare.[126] She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.[45] The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome.[45] Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice.[45] In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.[45] As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House Conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997),[127] Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997),[128] and Children and Adolescents (2000),[129] and the first-ever White House Conferences on Teenagers (2000)[130] and Philanthropy (1999).[131]

Hillary Clinton traveled to 79 countries during this time,[132] breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.[133] In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself,[134] declaring "that it is no longer acceptable to discuss women's rights as separate from human rights"[134] and resisting Chinese pressure to soften her remarks.[132] She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.[135][136] She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.[137]

And she has been senator since 2000. Are you saying a senator is too inexperienced to be president?

Just the thought of 30+ consecutive years of Clintons and Bush's in the office is enough for me to vote for Obama.

/Bush Sr. sworn in as VP on January 20, 1981.

hillary4real: The media (Oprah) thinks that they can Bully the Clintons out of the primaries and thereby hand the election over to the Republicans.
Fortunately, most of America can see through this charade and will still stand behind the most experienced candidate.
/Hillary offers hope and B. Hussein Obama offers an easy victory to the Republicans.
//Still amazed that some people are falling for whatever Oprah tells them to do rather than just looking at the facts to see who is the most qualified.
///Oprah is rich and powerful, but, she is still just a pushy old bat who thinks she is all that!
////Hillary at least has a chance and offers some hope to us dem's and isn't so far left that she will scare off 90% of the vote.

Did you register an account to shill for Hillary, just to stir up trouble, or to actually shill for Obama by making Hillary supporters look bad? I'm serious here, the Internet has messed up my head so bad, I can't tell what is real anymore.

Simplest Quantum System Conceivable: Bill Clinton is the reigning symbol of the democratic party, Lowering himself from Mr. President to Mr. Attack Dog should make everyone feel dirty.

They're like the Al Davis of politics: Just win baby!

scavenger: hillary4real: The media (Oprah) thinks that they can Bully the Clintons out of the primaries and thereby hand the election over to the Republicans.
Fortunately, most of America can see through this charade and will still stand behind the most experienced candidate.
/Hillary offers hope and B. Hussein Obama offers an easy victory to the Republicans.
//Still amazed that some people are falling for whatever Oprah tells them to do rather than just looking at the facts to see who is the most qualified.
///Oprah is rich and powerful, but, she is still just a pushy old bat who thinks she is all that!
////Hillary at least has a chance and offers some hope to us dem's and isn't so far left that she will scare off 90% of the vote.

Did you register an account to shill for Hillary, just to stir up trouble, or to actually shill for Obama by making Hillary supporters look bad? I'm serious here, the Internet has messed up my head so bad, I can't tell what is real anymore.

Also, I cannot close tags.

I_Approve_Of_This_Message: We're already endured 7+ years of a puppet administration. Do we really want another one?

Sadly, the democrats don't understand this, the farking baby boomers and sexually repressed women are humping Hillary's foot, climaxing to the idea she will win the general election... I can't wait to see the look on their faces when douches like McCain and Romney take the election from them...AGAIN!

/Obama 08!

I_Approve_Of_This_Message: Conversely, in the past few weeks, Hillary has demonstrated that she is completely reliant on her husband.

How so? I keep asking you for proof and you keep making general attacks.

Doesn't she show up to the debates by herself. Just because you perceive it different because she is a woman does not make it reality.

Are you saying the Bill Clinton never ran on "Two for one"?

You seem to completely ignoring facts so you can see what you wish.

At least admit that Bill Clinton ran on "Two for one" and stop ignoring everything that you don't want to believe.

scavenger:
Did you register an account to shill for Hillary, just to stir up trouble, or to actually shill for Obama by making Hillary supporters look bad? I'm serious here, the Internet has messed up my head so bad, I can't tell what is real anymore.

The internet is as real as the streets.

Simplest Quantum System Conceivable Had bush 41 come out attacking bush 43's republican opponents, people would have been disgusted by the blatant abuse of former office and cried out against the Royal nature of it. Bush 41, to his credit didn't even loudly endorse his son, realizing how inappropriate that would be.
In fact, no other president, sitting or former has in recent history (maybe ever, though unlikely) attacked their own party candidates to bolster their selected successor. Bill Clinton is the reigning symbol of the democratic party, Lowering himself from Mr. President to Mr. Attack Dog should make everyone feel dirty.

You have to remember this is the same Bill Clinton who had a fat chick toss his salad while talking on the phone to foreign leaders. Pure Class.

SeismicJizzer: Sadly, the democrats don't understand this, the farking baby boomers and sexually repressed women are humping Hillary's foot, climaxing to the idea she will win the general election... I can't wait to see the look on their faces when douches like McCain and Romney take the election from them...AGAIN!

/Obama 08!

You know what I am an Obama supporter but you people unfairly attacking Hillary are really making me mad and wanting to change my mind.

If you have a problem with her policies fine but these republican style thinly veiled anti-women attacks need to stop.

EdMon: scavenger:
Did you register an account to shill for Hillary, just to stir up trouble, or to actually shill for Obama by making Hillary supporters look bad? I'm serious here, the Internet has messed up my head so bad, I can't tell what is real anymore.

The internet is as real as the streets.

word

hillary4real: ////Hillary at least has a chance and offers some hope to us dem's and isn't so far left that she will scare off 90% of the vote.

HOLY. CRAP. Two words:
1) Vastrightwingconspiracy
2) Hillarycare

Tell me with a straight face that republicans have forgotten, or don't hold a grudge. There is no better rallying cry to the vast right wing conspiracy than the accusations of a vast right wing conspiracy. Hillary and all that she represents was the Unifying cause that allowed newt & co. to take over both houses of congress and establish republican power for the next 12 years.

SeismicJizzer: Sadly, the democrats don't understand this, the farking baby boomers and sexually repressed women are humping Hillary's foot, climaxing to the idea she will win the general election... I can't wait to see the look on their faces when douches like McCain and Romney take the election from them...AGAIN!

It's also great, that you don't really know the basic facts about the candidate you have been attacking.

I hope you actually read that information I provided you.

hillary4real is a liar. Just a republican sock puppet. I'm willing to bet him and whoopty are the same people.

Optamystic: The net result is less Carville and Begala on CNN. Just for that, I'll be voting for Obama.

THIS. Not only are those two losing their analytical edge in general (and therefore should be banned until they shape up) but they are clearly, clearly and by their own admission not objective reporters on this race.

I know media isn't objective by any stretch. But I don't see what's wrong with telling political hacks, who self-identify as hacks and everybody knows they are hacks, that maybe we've heard enough for a little while.

That said I don't think the discourse will improve, just this isn't some 'omg' bombshell.

I_Approve_Of_This_Message:

Some critics called it inappropriate for the First Lady to play a central role in matters of public policy. Supporters pointed out that Clinton's role in policy was no different from that of other White House advisors and that voters were well aware that she would play an active role in her husband's Presidency.[107] Bill Clinton's campaign promise of "two for the price of one" led opponents to refer derisively to the Clintons as "co-presidents",[108] or sometimes "Billary".[109]

Wiki (new window)

Like her or hate her, she has done a lot.

Corvus: If you have a problem with her policies fine but these republican style thinly veiled anti-women attacks need to stop.

Are you really this obtuse? This same woman purposely distorted Obama's comment about the Republican Party and Reagan. Her husband has lied about Obama's stance on the war by calling it a "fairytale" and when confronted about it, Bill has the audacity to switch it and claim that Obama is attacking him? WTF???

/Use to be a clinton supporter

Corvus: You know what I am an Obama supporter but you people unfairly attacking Hillary are really making me mad and wanting to change my mind.

If you have a problem with her policies fine but these republican style thinly veiled anti-women attacks need to stop.

If she can openly use her status as a woman to get people to vote for her, people can use it against her just as well. I don't think that's a fair reason to attack her, but I don't think it's a good reason to support her, either.

And it's not so much her policies that I have a problem with. It's her character and the fact that I think she will seriously weaken the party and maybe lose a general election that should be a Democratic landslide. Like it or not, in America we are forced to take strategic considerations into account if we don't want to end up a worse outcome. This is like game theory 101.

hillary4real:
Oh yes, i went there.

Cool. Can you stay there, though? And never return?

Corvus: If you have a problem with her policies fine but these republican style thinly veiled anti-women attacks need to stop.

You really think drawing a line between Hillary campaigning for Bill in 1992 and Bill campaigning for Hillary in 2008 is sexist? I wasn't able to vote in '92, but I'm pretty sure Hillary wasn't a former two-term United States of America President back then.

I will say though that at least Clinton's fellow Senators seem to disagree that she's unable to lead.