A smear campaign like this won't work on Obama.
Everyone knows plastic wipes clean with little effort.

Subby: Did you not read the article all the way through. Obama is still criticizing the 527 group, even though it is helping him. His campaign is even discouraging people from donating or volunteering to work for 527s that are helping him.

We do not think people should be donating to 527s. We would rather have them involved in our campaign. Obama thinks that candidates should be accountable for the campaigns they run, the donations they receive and the money they spend. It is our hope that anyone who supports Obama does so directly through his campaign and not through these outside groups.

Just more attempts to create controversy where there is none.

Have the people saying that Obama's some sort of phony platitudinous empty suit ever even considered the possibility that he might be the real deal, a genuine platitudinous empty suit?

SherKhan: ...platitudinous empty suit?

Isn't that synonymous with politician? When someone says politician I think of platitudinous empty suit.

As long as he doesn't pull a 187

kronicfeld: As long as he doesn't pull a 187

What about Footnote 220?

IndyMBA: When someone says politician I think of platitudinous empty suit.

I usually think "useless, mugging, douchebag", but sure - platitudinous empty suit will work too.

Subby, I've changed my opinion of Campbell's Tomato soup. I must be a hypocrite.

2wolves: I've changed my opinion of Campbell's Tomato soup

It had better be for the good. Campbell's Tomato Soup is the best thing Campbell's puts in a can.

Meh, can't we just vote already

Does anyone know who this "Stern" person is that the article is quoting towards the bottom? I can't find any mention of "Stern" before the final 3 paragraphs, where they mention "Stern" like we should know who they are.

The_Synergism: It had better be for the good. Campbell's Tomato Soup is the best thing Campbell's puts in a can.

Pretty much. If it's not, then 2wolves will be as unwelcome here as Ron Paul at a debate.

crunch-o-matic: Meh, can't we just vote already

Yes. Please. Lets just get it over with.

Code_Archeologist: Subby: Did you not read the article all the way through. Obama is still criticizing the 527 group, even though it is helping him. His campaign is even discouraging people from donating or volunteering to work for 527s that are helping him.
We do not think people should be donating to 527s. We would rather have them involved in our campaign. Obama thinks that candidates should be accountable for the campaigns they run, the donations they receive and the money they spend. It is our hope that anyone who supports Obama does so directly through his campaign and not through these outside groups.
Just more attempts to create controversy where there is none.

Where I am from, we call that the ole wink and nod...not to be confused with the slap and tickle

McCain/Feingold = FAIL

"I'm really disappointed that Sen. Obama has not called on his friends at Vote Hope to pull these ads down," said Eric Bauman, chairman of the Los Angeles Democratic Party, who has not endorsed any candidate.

Is this the Eric Bauman? If so, I bet he already has a version of the PowerPAC ad with his watermark on it.

From the actual article, that the subby did not read:

After The Chronicle reported in August about how Vote Hope was backing Obama, the Illinois senator while in the Bay Area was asked whether its activities presented a dilemma for a candidate who has criticized the influence of money in politics.

"It would be hypocrisy if I had anything to do with them," he said. "This is not something that I authorized or had any part of. ... My recommendation to people who are interested in supporting me is to support me through our campaign - the way over 250,000 donors have supported us, the way hundreds of thousands of volunteers have supported us."

Mesloh said Obama stands firm on his position about 527s.

"We do not think people should be donating to 527s," she said. "We would rather have them involved in our campaign. Obama thinks that candidates should be accountable for the campaigns they run, the donations they receive and the money they spend. It is our hope that anyone who supports Obama does so directly through his campaign and not through these outside groups."

Boy, that is such a reversal of positions. Why, just a few years ago he said that people shouldn't be donating to 527's, and...oh.

Subby: Obama's doing a 180 on 527's after attacking them, thus making him a hypocrite.

From previous posts, an incorrect statement at best. But even if Obama did do a "180," maybe he's a person who changed his mind, rather than a hypocrite. People do change their minds from time to time, even politicians.

/Not an Obama supporter.

I saw an interview on Jon Stewart not long ago that said a questionable group will donate money to an opposing candidate just so their candidate can say "Look! He's doing it too!"

generaltimmy: Where I am from, we call that the ole wink and nod...not to be confused with the slap and tickle

And where I'm from, we call that "unsubstantiated" or "making shiat up."

Hey look everyone its Hillary Obama's slumlord Tony Renzo!

submitter: Obama's doing a 180 on 527's after attacking them, thus making him a hypocrite.

(n) hypocrite, dissembler, dissimulator, phony, phoney, pretender (a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives)


Changing a position does not make you a hypocrite, it makes you reasonable. Sticking to an untenable position is a sign of a weak mind; it's not admirable. Subby FAILS

fawlty: People do change their minds from time to time, even politicians.

See Hilary and Iraq stance for example...

SherKhan: Have the people saying that Obama's some sort of phony platitudinous empty suit ever even considered the possibility that he might be the real deal, a genuine platitudinous empty suit?

For what it's worth, Bush is also a genuine platitudinous empty suit.

The article says Obama was unaware of the ads in question and was against all 527s. So there's a distinct lacking of hypocrisy here.

527's are just plain wrong. These organizations can say whatever they want, about who ever they want, and with none of the accountability of a real campaign.

They can shamelessly smear a candidate, or do the old 'We support Obama because he's for legalizing heroin and child pornography, and so are we!' type ads (somone with above a 5th grade vocabulary help me out with what that's called), or they can just flat out lie and none of it is at all traceable to the candidate they are supporting.

We desperately need campaign finance reform to keep soft money out of the campaign, and keep big business and special interest whackos from deciding the elections.

The_Synergism: 2wolves: I've changed my opinion of Campbell's Tomato soup

It had better be for the good. Campbell's Tomato Soup is the best thing Campbell's puts in a can.

I dunno about that, there was that wild model chick I ran through a blender and... oh, never mind

Lando Lincoln: generaltimmy: Where I am from, we call that the ole wink and nod...not to be confused with the slap and tickle

And where I'm from, we call that "unsubstantiated" or "making shiat up."

And where I come from, It's cornbread and chicken, where I come from it's a lot of front porch pickin'

He was pretty vehement when he attacked Edwards for not being more proactive about the groups.

"Critics note that the efforts of the political action group and 527s hit just weeks after Obama criticized an independent expenditure group founded by Edwards' former campaign manager that was behind activity on the former North Carolina senator's behalf in Iowa. Obama called on Edwards to send a message that the activity should be stopped, saying, 'I don't just talk the talk; I walk the walk. ... I've been doing this all my life, and John has not had the same record.'

Things start looking kind of shaky for the Obama campaign and he starts letting little things like this slip. Sigh...I suppose he's just another politician after all.

ZOMG the Clintons are submitting headlines to FARK!

slumlord! black! doesn't want everyone to have health care!

FTFA: "It would be hypocrisy if I had anything to do with them," he said. "This is not something that I authorized or had any part of. ... My recommendation to people who are interested in supporting me is to support me through our campaign - the way over 250,000 donors have supported us, the way hundreds of thousands of volunteers have supported us."

Mesloh said Obama stands firm on his position about 527s.

"We do not think people should be donating to 527s," she said. "We would rather have them involved in our campaign. Obama thinks that candidates should be accountable for the campaigns they run, the donations they receive and the money they spend. It is our hope that anyone who supports Obama does so directly through his campaign and not through these outside groups."

Submitter FAILS

FTFA: These types of independent organizations aren't illegal as long as they do not act in a coordinated way with the campaign.

I do not trust anyone that claims to be a journalist and then procedes to write a sentence with 3 negatives in it (if you count the il in illegal).

Shaggy_C: Things start looking kind of shaky for the Obama campaign and he starts letting little things like this slip. Sigh...I suppose he's just another politician after all.

you should read the actual article before you give up on the man...

I'm eating Campbell's Tomato Soup right now, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/really am
//that was weird

PanicMan: "It would be hypocrisy if I had anything to do with them," [Obama] said. "This is not something that I authorized or had any part of."

Here let me help.

How is Obama doing a 180 on anything, again?

Shaggy_C: Things start looking kind of shaky for the Obama campaign and he starts letting little things like this slip. Sigh...I suppose he's just another politician after all.

Congratulations you just won the award for the Most Disingenuous Prick on Fark.

TheConvincingSavant: SherKhan: Have the people saying that Obama's some sort of phony platitudinous empty suit ever even considered the possibility that he might be the real deal, a genuine platitudinous empty suit?

For what it's worth, Bush is also a genuine platitudinous empty suit.

Obama and Bush are both pelts of an Australian web-footed, billed mammal? Man, political insults have gotten weird.

Subby's a frackin' retard and should actually read the article for once.

\That is all
\\Slashy for no apparent reason!

Meh one more time!

Utter failure for Subby.

I would gaymarry him.

"It would be hypocrisy if I had anything to do with them," he said. "This is not something that I authorized or had any part of. ... My recommendation to people who are interested in supporting me is to support me through our campaign - the way over 250,000 donors have supported us, the way hundreds of thousands of volunteers have supported us."

The more they try to smear and spin and distort what this guy is saying, the more I like him. Because he's the living embodiment of everything they are not.

Keep making it obvious, dickwads. Your desperation is showing for all to see.

Shaggy_C: Things start looking kind of shaky for the Obama campaign and he starts letting little things like this slip. Sigh...I suppose he's just another politician after all.

What would you like him to do, exactly? Go and hunt down the people responsible for these ads and break their headlights with a baseball bat?

I suppose he could waste donation money and televise ads saying that he does not want 527 groups to support him, but I personally don't think that he should have to go that far.

He's said in the past that if you want to support him, then donate directly to his campaign, do not give money to 527's. And he's saying the exact same thing now.

For subby:

Wombatzu: you should read the actual article before you give up on the man...

I did; it looks to me like he criticized Edwards for not denouncing a 527 that was running ads in his favor but won't denounce his own. Unless there was a direct link between Edwards' 527 and his campaign, I fail to see a difference.

SeismicJizzer: Hey look everyone its Hillary Obama's slumlord Tony Renzo!

To be fair, he probably rasied money for Clintons and may have slept n the Lincoln Bedroom.

The real kicker is that he is Obama's neighbor and gave him a sweetheart land deal..but I think the Cliontons know something about land deal.s

mrexcess: How is Obama doing a 180 on anything, again?

Fark headlines never lie. Neither do I.