I can see why. McCain is the least irrational of the Republican candidates.

SherKhan: I can see why. McCain is the least irrational of the Republican candidates.

That's sort of like saying that herpes is the least bad of the incurable STDs you can catch.

Pocket Ninja: SherKhan: I can see why. McCain is the least irrational of the Republican candidates.

That's sort of like saying that herpes is the least bad of the incurable STDs you can catch.

Or the tallest midget in the freakshow.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Pocket Ninja: SherKhan: I can see why. McCain is the least irrational of the Republican candidates.

That's sort of like saying that herpes is the least bad of the incurable STDs you can catch.

Or the tallest midget in the freakshow.

You don't understand. 9/11 changed everything.

Chuck Wagon:

You don't understand. 9/11 changed everything.

I loathe that phrase. All it changed is that the U.S. was like the rest of the other countries.

As the Democrats hilariously squabble over whether the populist harpy is blacker than the actual black guy, they are unwittingly setting up a scenario where people are looking for any reason to vote Republican (a la 2000). Well, outside of New York and LA anyway.

McCain could take it if only he could give a coherent victory speech.

All his other flaws aside, Rudy's performance in the debate last night was less than inspiring.

He needs to find his balcony quickly, or step out of the way. It's time.

When asked about the New York Times article Rudy said "was that the one on pages 9-11"?

Well I'm glad somebody finally said it, official-like.

We're all going to pay for this. Just ask Rudy.

I'm an Obama gal myself but... if Hillary gets the nomination and McCain is the republican that comes out on top then only then will I vote for him.

9/11 changed the color of my pants.

9/11 changed everything.

Daddakamabb: I'm an Obama gal myself but... if Hillary gets the nomination and McCain is the republican that comes out on top then only then will I vote for him.

I had that feeling briefly too.

Then I watched the debate last night.

Daddakamabb: I'm an Obama gal myself but... if Hillary gets the nomination and McCain is the republican that comes out on top then only then will I vote for him.

Yep. Obama is my first choice on the Democratic side, with the rest of the democrats a close second. On the republican side, McCain is my first choice with Hillary a close second -- the rest of the republicans wouldn't get my vote under any circumstances.

When Guiliani messed with that Sicilian with the same last name as my old girlfriend, I figured he would self destruct.

Daddakamabb: I'm an Obama gal myself but... if Hillary gets the nomination and McCain is the republican that comes out on top then only then will I vote for him.

Remember that, everyone. If it's Hillary and McCain, she wants McCain on top. :D

Despite his change since the 200 campaign (where I wanted him to be president) he's still the best of the republican field.

He has, and still does, buck the party for what he thinks is right and his record is very good (despite my disagreements on Iraq)

DarnoKonrad: On the republican side, McCain is my first choice with Hillary a close second

Good one.

I Said: Despite his change since the 200 campaign (where I wanted him to be president) he's still the best of the republican field.

He has, and still does, buck the party for what he thinks is right and his record is very good (despite my disagreements on Iraq)

we didn't even HAVE a president in 200... where have you been?

The NYTimes has always hated Guiliani. This isn't anything new.

Daddakamabb: I'm an Obama gal myself but... if Hillary gets the nomination and McCain is the republican that comes out on top then only then will I vote for him.

Only bad thing is McCain has pretty much said he'll continue doing what Bush started...

I Said: Despite his change since the 200 campaign (where I wanted him to be president) he's still the best of the republican field.

He has, and still does, buck the party for what he thinks is right and his record is very good (despite my disagreements on Iraq)

The whole "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb. Bomb, Bomb Iran..." isn't to exciting either, eh?

KellyX: Only bad thing is McCain has pretty much said he'll continue doing what Bush started...

Except with competence, civil liberties and a lack of torture.

SherKhan: I can see why. McCain is the least irrational of the Republican candidates.

Which is really saying something given that he's the candidate whose last presidential campaign was destroyed by a whispering campaign questioning his sanity and mental stability because of several high-profile outbursts of his temper and lingering concerns about being tortured for 5 years in a POW camp. And despite all that he strikes most as the least insane of the Republican field

amazing_live_seamonkeys: DarnoKonrad: On the republican side, McCain is my first choice with Hillary a close second

Good one.

I like to reach for the low hanging fruit, or hell, the stuff already laying on the ground.

Ron Paul!

WiteBuddha: we didn't even HAVE a president in 200... where have you been?

Sorry pal, America has had presidents since 0 A.D. That's right, Jesus was our first president.

coma: The whole "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb. Bomb, Bomb Iran..." isn't to exciting either, eh?

That was completely assinine. But at least he's not making jokes about the WMD's he sent men and women to die looking for. So it's an improvement.

Where do these morons get the nerve to say Hillary is a republican? It baffles me.

This is the reason many conservtives and GOPers don't trust McCain... the NYT is like th eKiss of Death.

Giuliani was asked about this last night - and he basically said that an endorsement from the NY Times is essentially an indictment for a Republican because they're a part of the liberal ultra-left-wing media that hates real conservatives like him. He appealed to both the 'real conservatives' in the room by bashing the libruhls, and he also painted McCain as a lib too. I wonder if it will pay off...9/11 people were impressed.

Daddakamabb: I'm an Obama gal myself but... if Hillary gets the nomination and McCain is the republican that comes out on top then only then will I vote for him.

I was gonna say that, but I'm not a gal.

Shaggy_C: Giuliani was asked about this last night - and he basically said that an endorsement from the NY Times is essentially an indictment for a Republican because they're a part of the liberal ultra-left-wing media that hates real conservatives like him. He appealed to both the 'real conservatives' in the room by bashing the libruhls, and he also painted McCain as a lib too. I wonder if it will pay off...9/11 people were impressed.

He's not a complete idiot when it comes to things like that. We'll see if it helps him.

/btw, sorry for gettin all up in your grill the other day... long day, etc.

I said
Sorry pal, America has had presidents since 0 A.D. That's right, Jesus was our first president.

Considering Jesus was between 4 and 7 in 0 BC, and probably died in his early thirties, I don't think He could have ever been President.

/Also, He'd get destroyed in debates.
//And he has that whole upper-class "His dad is skilled labor" thing going against him

I sat down last night to watch the debate (maybe see if one of the candidates would actually win me over after my guy dropped out), but I got bored with the whole thing and decided to clean out the cat box. Real story.

>> exploit[ing] his city's and the country's nightmare

What conservative isn't doing the same ?

I suppose there might be one or two.

twilson2
What conservativecandidate isn't doing the same ?

FTFY

The funny thing is that the Times just helped Giuliani.

luidprand: Considering Jesus was between 4 and 7 in 0 BC, and probably died in his early thirties, I don't think He could have ever been President.

/Also, He'd get destroyed in debates.
//And he has that whole upper-class "His dad is skilled labor" thing going against him

Mistakes in calendars aside (0 A.D. vs 7 A.D.):

He kicked ass in the debates. His policy of "everyone calm down and just chill out" is a relevant today as it was 2000 years ago.

generaltimmy: Where do these morons get the nerve to say Hillary is a republican? It baffles me.



Because her (and Bills) policies are clearly center right. And always have been. irrational right wing ranting about her being a socialist doesn't change that.

>> twilson2

>> What candidate isn't doing the same ?

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Your not serious are you.

No comparison between the way cons are beating that dead horse the Dems.

generaltimmy: Where do these morons get the nerve to say Hillary is a republican? It baffles me.

For reasons I don't fully understand, many on the left consider Hillary to be a closet right-wing fascist corporatist conservative who will turn America into a corporate dictatorship.

While, at the very same time, many on the right consider her to be a closet left-wing communist statist pinko who will turn America into a Stalinist dictatorship.

She looks like a run-of-the-mill center-left Democrat to me, with few or no extremist positions on either side. I support Obama, for reasons of avoiding the whole dynastic succession thing (plus, he's got actual charisma), but I don't see why so many people think that she'd be such a disastrous president.

Giuliani said ... "And if I did, I wouldn't be considered a conservative Republican.

Pro gun control, pro choice, REALLY pro authority...

Who considers Giuliani conservative? Is the definition of conservative one of those things 9/11 changed?

I Said

He kicked ass in the debates. His policy of "everyone calm down and just chill out" is a relevant today as it was 2000 years ago.

He's too soft. He'd just let people sling insults and slander, and He would ignore it and be the better man. As we know, the better man never wins.

judan: Is the definition of conservative one of those things 9/11 changed?

It changed the definitions of both conservative and liberal, at least in terms of foreign policy. Neoconservative became the new conservative.

I applaud Subby's restraint.

Personally, I would have added at least 3-4 9/11 references in there.

It still gives me a giggle. Sorry, I am a Man-child I can't help it.

Ron Paul Revere: His appropriate spot would be about halfway between center and right, and about 3/4 of the way down from the line splitting authoritarians and libertarians.

That's his stance on the federal government. His ideas for the power of the states are far more authoritarian in terms of individual freedom.

Shaggy_C: judan: Is the definition of conservative one of those things 9/11 changed?

It changed the definitions of both conservative and liberal, at least in terms of foreign policy. Neoconservative became the new conservative.

Can you identify the point at which that happened on the following graph?

Ok, put the remaining ones in order, from most preferred to least. I'll start:

Paul
Romney
McCain
Obama
Gravel
Huckabee
Edwards
Guiliani
Every third party candidate to include McKinney
Clinton

DarnoKonrad: Because her (and Bills) policies are clearly center right. And always have been. irrational right wing ranting about her being a socialist doesn't change that.

This. Seriously, she voted for the Patriot Act (in it's old "no oversight--do whatever you want, Mr. President" form), she voted for the invasion of Iraq, she's in favor of bombing Iran, she's voted to squash free speech (the "no flag burning" bill). The only remotely liberal position one could attribute to her is healthcare.

Even on that issue she favors making health insurance mandatory and giving tax credit kickbacks to help with the cost--so you give money to insurance companies, and she'll give money to you (nevermind that it was supposed to be your money to begin with). When you net out the cash flows against your own wallet, it essentially amounts to "Hillary will hand insurance companies a bundle of cash." It's corporate welfare.

The New York Times is the paper of record for the "small angry fringe". Good response by Giuliani, to it.

Guiliani has made much hay out of 9-11, and the Times called him on it. Good for them whether it helps him or not. The guy is a total and complete weasel...or ferret...or rat. The genetic tests haven't come back from the lab yet.