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That. I'm actually really interested in his take on this.

/still think he's a freak :)

'It is difficult to anticipate the content of the film, but freedom of expression doesn't mean the right to offend,' said Maxime Verhagen, the Foreign Minister

Wow - sounds like he's preemptively trying to keep his throat from getting slit by the Dutch Uulation Society.

dudemanbro: /still think he's a freak :)

See, til very recently, I thought he was a chick.

but freedom of expression doesn't mean the right to offend,'

Offend ... who? Actually, freedom of expression does mean the right to offend.

So when is it on? 'This week' is a bit vague, and I can't be arsed trawling through a whole week's worth of listings.

As someone who lives with a lot of Dutch people I'm really getting a shoe out of these replies.



SHOOOO!!!!

'It is difficult to anticipate the content of the film, but freedom of expression doesn't mean the right to offend,'

Yes, it does.

If you can't offend then freedom of expression is pointless. Who needs freedom to say something that everyone finds congenial? The point is that it protects things people disagree with because most humans have no concept of liberty for others, which is why libertarians are such a minority.

Let me be the 18th person (out of 8 comments) to mention this: 'It is difficult to anticipate the content of the film, but freedom of expression doesn't mean the right to offend,'


Europe: America in 20 years.

Hmmm, indeed. Geert is a real intellectual and a charmer. Snappy hairdo too - well, if he were in the caste of the Muppets.

Let me be the first to introduce the charming Dutch MP Geert Wilders to the rest of the world.



This is the guy who will be making the film about Islam

I predict he'll be Fortuyn3d 7 days after it's released. Dutch extremists are fast on the uptake.

'It is difficult to anticipate the content of the film, but freedom of expression doesn't mean the right to offend,'

Yes, it does actually. I cannot control what you get offended at. It's impossible for me to do so. I can only control what I get offended at. I cannot control what you say or what you do. I can only control what I say or do. Eventually, something I say or do will be offensive to you, and eventually something you say or do will be offensive to me. At that point, it is our moral obligation to remember that freedom of expression means EXACTLY that, and if people get offended that it's their own fault. Unfortunate, maybe. Inevitable, hell yes. Bad, no not really.

If people get offended, oh well, they get offended.

FYI the above pic of bangers and mash has been poorly presented, however, i can guarantee you, with that onion gravy, it tastes farking amazing.

Koran being torn up. Why wooden shoe?

p.s. indulging in the Dutch taste later followed by the limey taste is one of lifes pleasures.

Awesome headline, subby.

Q. Steltanus: Let me be the first to introduce the charming Dutch MP Geert Wilders to the rest of the world.



This is the guy who will be making the film about Islam

Is it just me, or Does Geert Wilders bear a striking resemblance to TV's Frank?

The Grand Mufti of Syria, inciting wars and bloodshed by self-defining the things that incite wars and bloodshed.

Thing is, it's a retarded culture, but it's self-sustaining as well, at least for the moment.

Geert Wilders appears to be sensitive about his hair loss. He's taken the common (pathetic) route of trying to grow the rest of the remaining hair as long as possible, then making it 'pretty' while he still can by bleaching it (note the dark roots).

This film he's made? He only wants attention. When his family is (hopefully not) killed as a result of his actions, I hope he can finally admit to himself that yes, he is losing his hair. He doesn't need to start a culture war over it.

/pen15 enlaaaargements?

Person 1: I am offended at the thought of written language!
Person 2: wtf are you stupid?
Person 1: err, I'm offended at the idea of books!
Person 2: .....
Person 1: ..I'm offended when books are destroyed.
Person 2: What are you a librarian, get a life.
Person 1: When the book "War and Peace" is destroyed?
Person 2: That doesn't make any sense, at all.
Person 1: When the Koran is destroyed, I mean.
Person 2: Oh, well in that case I can't even consider doing something like that, I don't want to offend you or insult your religious faith, so I'll do anything in my power to make sure nobody shows that happening.

Or perhaps he looks more like Flock of Seagulls singer Mike Score?

I dislike much of the Danes, the dutch are ok once you get past their lack of an operational education system for the last 70 years...

For me, this is the ultimate test of civilization.

If your faith is strong enough to survive such inflammatory criticism, then you are worthy of being judged civilized.

If not, you may openly be reviled as superstitious, tribal apes.

Methinks Islam is gonna fail this one.

It will, he claims, reveal the Koran as 'source of inspiration for intolerance, murder and terror'.

Even a comic book can be misinterpreted by a nutjob.

"Just relax, I'm not going to do anything"


"p.s. F*ck the Dutchman."

Sincerely,
OBL.
Religion of Peace

Dutch diplomats are already trying to pre-empt international reaction. 'It is difficult to anticipate the content of the film, but freedom of expression doesn't mean the right to offend,' said Maxime Verhagen, the Foreign Minister
umm... yes, yes it does,
you pharking Dutch clown!!!!!
/oh, did I offend you?

ramp it up: Awesome headline, subby.

Thanks. No other headline could do it justice.

Scary.

Interesting.

Wow...

Well heck, I guess at the very least it'll take some of the Islama-heat off the U.S.

Goed-gedaan, Grachtenscheisseren.

valhalla1980: "Well heck, I guess at the very least it'll take some of the Islama-heat off the U.S."

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Nah. Remember, we're the "Great Satan" -- clearly we put the Dutch up to this.

Suicidal Writer: If you can't offend then freedom of expression is pointless. Who needs freedom to say something that everyone finds congenial? The point is that it protects things people disagree with because most humans have no concept of liberty for others, which is why libertarians are such a minority.

Plus, their ranks are constantly being whittled down by people who stop and think about game theory for five minutes.

valhalla1980: Scary.

Interesting.

Wow...

Well heck, I guess at the very least it'll take some of the Islama-heat off the U.S.

No it won't. Somehow, this will, in the eyes of the world, turn out to be America's fault too. Everything that is wrong in the world is our fault. Just like how everything that goes wrong here is George Bush's fault.

Ah, time to publish some holocaust-denial material again, I see.

And some pro-Nazi pamphlets.

And some material about how best to keep your coloured folk hard at work on the plantation.


Hate speech is hate speech. There's a difference between hate speech and something that's simply "offensive", sadly, most farkers don't seem to get it.

Is Jeremy Clarkson writing for the Guardian now?!

The man is basically an attention wh0re, who doesn't have the brains or sophistication to be original. Personally he makes me laugh, he's so pathetic looking.

but freedom of expression doesn't mean the right to offend

The hell it doesn't, fark you buddy!

"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." - Thomas Mann
"He who is merciful to the cruel is destined to be cruel to the merciful" - Talmud

TFAKoran the bible as 'source of inspiration for intolerance, murder and terror'.

fixed that for.... nah, just trolling

. 'It is difficult to anticipate the content of the film, but freedom of expression doesn't mean the right to offend,'

Actually, that's EXACTLY what Freedom of Expression guarantees.

/beating that dead horse too

phukitol: would you happen to be a limey?

Canadian.

These guys are experts at creating laws to curtail your rights, then make you believe that freedom is slavery.

Yeah, I can't stand the Dutch, with their wooden shoes clattering down the street, what a bunch of attention whores, "Hey, lookit me! I'm making noise in ur hood, yo, and I'm building dikes in ur Baltic, and Tulips rule! Roses drool!

/Ol' Geert jus' been hanging with the fark mods, thats all. When the traffic slows, just greenlight a religion thread. Like waving snausages over a pit of rabid Jack Russells. yapyapyapyapyapyap....
//the sooner we get the great Euro-Islamic Civil War started, the sooner it will be over. I hate waiting for the other shoe (wooden or otherwise) to drop.

mark12A: //the sooner we get the great Euro-Islamic Civil War started, the sooner it will be over. I hate waiting for the other shoe (wooden or otherwise) to drop.

I'm afraid that war might have already been lost before it even began

Hate speech is speech. So what if there's a difference between hate speech and something that's simply "offensive". Sadly, starsrift doesn't seem to get it.

Tatsuma: phukitol: would you happen to be a limey?

Canadian.

These guys are experts at creating laws to curtail your rights, then make you believe that freedom is slavery.

Thanks, Tatsuma!

As much as I dislike christianity, at least they don't threaten to murder anyone who criticizes their faith...yet. Muslims do. They not only threaten, but they carry out the threat.

It's funny that the filmmaker Van Gogh was murdered by someone who took offense to his film depicting muslims as violent and murderous. Way to reinforce that point.

I think the world needs to pay attention to the way that religious groups are bullying their governments and their people. It needs to stop, before the world is run by people willing to murder to enforce their ideas on the rest of us.