Did the same in New Hampshire as well, gaining one more superdelegate than Hilary, but the media seems to fail to mention that.

You know who else didn't win the popula vote... oh never mind

TDUsGamer: Did the same in New Hampshire as well, gaining one more superdelegate than Hilary, but the media seems to fail to mention that.

The media fails to mention lots of things ... like things that happen outside of N.Y.C or L.A. (or the people from there).

They completely ignored Kucinich ... bastards.

Freeper_Madness: Overall, Clinton leads the delegates race with 236, including separately chosen party and elected officials known as superdelegates. Obama has a total of 136, and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards has 50...

I guess that since she has 236 to Obama's 136 this headline isn't really breaking any big news then.

Freeper_Madness:

That photoshop is going to give me nightmares.

She may win this fight but not the war. oh no that's right she was for the war.

/vote for what you mean, stand what you vote for.

and there is yet still hope...

God I love the system. Superdelegates: who needs voting?

Just so you all know, the people never had The Power.

TDUsGamer

I believe you are thinking about Iowa. Edwards beat Clinton in Iowa vote wise but she got one more delegate than him.

C'mon, Obama!

AbsolutTBomb: Just so you all know, the people never had The Power.

These two people have the power.

Freeper_Madness: Overall, Clinton leads the delegates race with 236, including separately chosen party and elected officials known as superdelegates. Obama has a total of 136, and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards has 50...

wait, what?

Candidate Delegates Super delegates Delegates needed
Obama 38 0 1,987
Clinton 36 0 1,989
Edwards 18 0 2,007

dear god, lerry.. =)

Dammit, Democratic party. Why couldn't you have convinced Feingold to run?! Oh, that's right, because he calls you out on things, like supporting the USA PATRIOT act (Feingold was the sole dissenting vote on it in the Senate).

Plus, he's a great guy. He actually has debt like other Americans - real credit card debt. His only income is his senate position. He has no personal fortune.

/wants a president from my high school

Please someone (American) please tell me how you have a democracy?

All I see is a bunch of plutocrats on both sides of the Aisle trying to hold down any chance of a third, forth and fifth party from forming thus creating a true representation of the populaces views?

I mean two choices is hardly democratic, but then again I'm Canadian and am used to at least five choices on my ballot.

/9 years of voting and have voted for 4 different parties in Ontario and National elections.
// Never Voted NDP
/// PC, Liberal, Green, Libertarian, Conservative (in no particular order)
//// Fear Me, the true Independant

WTF do we need all this superdelegate shiat? Why can't we just have a voting system where we all just vote for somebody on the same farking day, and get rid of all this state-by-state primary and caucus shiat?

Super Deligates are all ready decided - the real totals matter more in the end. Obama got more, so good for him.

He needs to go on the attack. Clinton's taking it to him and he's not responding. He needs to stand up and tell her that she doesn't represent what we want.

AuralArgument

We don't.

/wishes we had a parliamentary gov't

saintstryfe: Super Deligates are all ready decided - the real totals matter more in the end. Obama got more, so good for him.

I didn't think all of them were decided. I know a lot are pledged, but are all of them? They can change their mind up until the convention...

Friends. We have a long way to go. I implore you to save your energy up for Supercalifragilistic-Tuesday when we can get down to the nitty-gritty of how a democratic-republic truly gives up it's ideals and dreams in trade for a bunch of hot air and pablum. I'll see you there. I'll be the guy mainlining scotch.

AuralArgument

We don't. We never have. We will - one day.

SeismicJizzer: WTF do we need all this superdelegate shiat? Why can't we just have a voting system where we all just vote for somebody on the same farking day, and get rid of all this state-by-state primary and caucus shiat?

To much money in having state by state Primarys and Campaining in said states.

If the democrats elect Hillary, I will never financially support that farking party ever again.

/same goes to those who voted for Bush TWICE!

AuralArgument: Please someone (American) please tell me how you have a democracy?

America is Democratic the same way Joe Loserman is a Democrat.

In. Name. Only.

/also like Joe, America is AIPAC's Biyatch
//Sorry, you wanted a Yank to answer that one didn't you? Oops!
///btw NDP/ Green/ Liberal/ Marijuana, also A True Independent

If Obama's team were smart, they'd do more to distinguish him as the anti-establishment Democrat. And by that I mean the Democratic establishment.

His big advantage over Hillary is that he is perceived to stand against everything that has made this Democratically-controlled Congress so unpopular; a lack of will to fight Bush and the Republicans on the war and the President's policies; mealy-mouthed, rambling excuses for not doing what they should have done in the first place, etc.

This is his trump card, and he's not playing it enough. Maybe he'll go on the offensive in the coming weeks running up to what promises to be the most crucial Super Tuesday ever. I certainly hope so.

AuralArgument

We have a Republic. The system isn't perfect but we hold national elections on a set date. We don't need to have permission from the Governor General(appointed by your Queen).

Ceph: They can change their mind up until the END OF THE convention...

Ceph: saintstryfe: Super Deligates are all ready decided - the real totals matter more in the end. Obama got more, so good for him.

I didn't think all of them were decided. I know a lot are pledged, but are all of them? They can change their mind up until the convention...

Weren't a lot of the super delegates initially lined up for Howard Dean in '04 only to change after he self-destructed? It seems like they'll only matter if it comes down to a brokered convention, otherwise they end up falling in line behind the presumptive nominee.

I_Lost_My_Other_Username: We don't need to have permission from the Governor General(appointed by your Queen).

This doesn't happen in Canada. We have elections whenever we want them.

deadapostle: Freeper_Madness: Overall, Clinton leads the delegates race with 236, including separately chosen party and elected officials known as superdelegates. Obama has a total of 136, and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards has 50...

I guess that since she has 236 to Obama's 136 this headline isn't really breaking any big news then.
There are 796 superdelegates according to WP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate
Of course I could have just written that number in

I didnt though

Comrade438: God I love the system. Superdelegates: who needs voting?

I didn't read the article, but I'm pretty sure the 13-12 thing is caucus issue, not a superdelegate issue. Caucuses elect delegates to go to a state convention, which then chooses delegates to send to the national convention... the way the map is drawn gave Obama more national delegates, despite fewer state ones. I think.

I'm in Washington State. If things are deadlocked after Super Tuesday, Saturday the 9th is going to be verrrrry interesting up here.

/not to mention Wed-Fri
//GObama

Ceph: Dammit, Democratic party. Why couldn't you have convinced Feingold to run?! Oh, that's right, because he calls you out on things, like supporting the USA PATRIOT act (Feingold was the sole dissenting vote on it in the Senate).

Plus, he's a great guy. He actually has debt like other Americans - real credit card debt. His only income is his senate position. He has no personal fortune.

Feingold is an incredible guy and one of my favorite Democrats. He may be Obama's running mate (Obama and Faingold have worked together many times and consider eachother allies and friends).

Freeper_Madness: Overall, Clinton leads the delegates race with 236, including separately chosen party and elected officials known as superdelegates. Obama has a total of 136, and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards has 50...

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#val=D

According to this she has 210, he has 123, and I am living on mars.

I Lost My Other Username: We have a Republic. The system isn't perfect but we hold national elections on a set date. We don't need to have permission from the Governor General(appointed by your Queen).

A set date? More like a FIXED date.

You do know that the Governor General is a largely ceremonious role which holds no true power and hasn't for a very long time don't you?

The Canadian system is a blend of both the US and American political systems and while hardly perfect is nothing to be ashamed of. Our most recent GG is a wonderful woman named Michaelle Jean, she used to host a documentary series on the CBC that Quatchi was quite fond of. She is far less haughty and autocratic than the last GG, Adrianne Clarkson. The first thing MJ did upon entering residence at Rideau Hall was to take down a whack of portraits of long dead English Royalty. Caused a bit of kerfuffle and some cries of "Oh no, you did'n!". While ostensibly appointed by the Queen, Liz largely just rubber stamps whoever the Prime Minister delegates to that position.

/the more you know.
//All that sed, an elected Senate would be a good thing here.
///Quatchi also lost his other username. Not here, of course.

This is not involving superdelegates; the only currently declared superdelegate from Nevada is supporting Clinton, actually.

Obama won more delegates due to a loophole in the system by which congressional district-based delegates are assigned. He won NV-02 while the result was reasonably close in both NV-03 and NV-01. Due to differences in Democratic registration between the districts, NV-02 has an odd number of delegates while NV-03 and NV-01 have an even number. Therefore, and Obama and Clinton split those delegates evenly because Clinton was not far enough ahead to win all of them while Obama won an extra delegate from NV-02. Similarly, the at-large delegates are also of an even number, and Clinton was not far enough ahead to win two more than Obama there. Therefore, Obama ended up with one more delegate than Clinton even though she won more county delegates (not votes, as this was a caucus).

Incidentally, this is why assigning electoral votes proportionally within the states is an idiotic idea. States with even numbers of EVs would instantly become irrelevant.

I_Lost_My_Other_Username
...which also means that your candidates only have to put on a grandiose dog and pony show once every four years and can get away with doing whatever they want the rest of the time (increasingly so lately).

The benefit of unpredictable election-times is that it keeps politicians on their toes (by the way, the Governor General and Queen are basically ceremonial positions).

I hope we have another one soon; Harper treaded carefully for the first year or so, but now he's getting too cocky and irritating for someone who only holds just over a third of the seats.

I_Approve_Of_This_Message: I'm in Washington State. If things are deadlocked after Super Tuesday, Saturday the 9th is going to be verrrrry interesting up here.

Washington State as well. What's the feeling like in Seattle? Obama or Hillary? Our primary date sucks, but as close as the race is, we could have a say.

/Spokane

moothemagiccow: Freeper_Madness: Overall, Clinton leads the delegates race with 236, including separately chosen party and elected officials known as superdelegates. Obama has a total of 136, and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards has 50...

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#val=D

According to this she has 210, he has 123, and I am living on mars.

Most of those aren't actually committed, it's based on CNN's polling of the super delegates.

funmonger

In 1926 G.G. Vimy refused PM King's request to dissolve Parliament. Things are more democratic in Canada now but I think you guys retain too many ties to the monarch.

Freeper_Madness: Either way, she has a really big lead right now.

Those may change. The voted delegates will not.

The important figure is the delegates that come via voting. Superdels are important but those can change depending on who's winning at any moment.

Prospero424: If Obama's team were smart, they'd do more to distinguish him as the anti-establishment Democrat. And by that I mean the Democratic establishment.

His big advantage over Hillary is that he is perceived to stand against everything that has made this Democratically-controlled Congress so unpopular; a lack of will to fight Bush and the Republicans on the war and the President's policies; mealy-mouthed, rambling excuses for not doing what they should have done in the first place, etc.

This is his trump card, and he's not playing it enough. Maybe he'll go on the offensive in the coming weeks running up to what promises to be the most crucial Super Tuesday ever. I certainly hope so.

Maybe I am missing something, but wasn't/isn't Obama a part of this "unpopular" congress. When he ran for senator he was outspoken anti-war and even now he criticizes Hillary for being pro-war. How does he explain that his record in Senate on Iraq war pretty much matches Hillary Clinton's?

He has been running as a anti-establishment/change candidate since beginning. The problem is that he had/has an opportunity to play a much bigger role in Senate and put his words into actions. He hasn't done that. Obama talks a big game, but it is just talk.

Prospero424: If Obama's team were smart, they'd do more to distinguish him as the anti-establishment Democrat. And by that I mean the Democratic establishment.

His big advantage over Hillary is that he is perceived to stand against everything that has made this Democratically-controlled Congress so unpopular; a lack of will to fight Bush and the Republicans on the war and the President's policies; mealy-mouthed, rambling excuses for not doing what they should have done in the first place, etc.

This is his trump card, and he's not playing it enough. Maybe he'll go on the offensive in the coming weeks running up to what promises to be the most crucial Super Tuesday ever. I certainly hope so.


It's not a trump card, it's a wet noodle. Obama is just as deep rooted as anyone else. He's a Chicago Democrat, which is double plus bad. Corruption is his middle name. He's been involved in dirty politics since his very first election. And anti-establishment my ass. He's a lapdog for the democrat party. Just look at his voting record. He's an extreme liberal and has voted with the party 97% of the time. And thats for the ones that he's actually shown up to. He's been in congress for 3 years, and has been campaigning for president for a year and a half. The man claims to be a moderate. In reality he's a fraud and is an amazing actor. A con-man, a snake oil salesman. What he says is not what you get.



/Illinois resident
//voted for Obama in 04
///will never make the mistake of voting for a democrat promising something different ever again

Hey, whaddaya know... it looks like since last year, we officially have elections every 4 years now (although in a minority it could be sooner). Damn, this sucks.

The good thing about unpredictable election times is that you couldn't have extraordinarily-expansive election campaigns starting two years in advance, like you do in the United States.

Looks like the anti-Obama attack dogs are out in full force after getting verbally destroyed in the last thread. Good for you guys, way to be persistent.

The Democratic Party, just like the Republicans, gets to choose how their candidates are picked. The fact that neither uses a democracy to do that shouldn't be a problem *now* for anyone who joined the party while those rules were in play.

I wish we had more and better parties, but I think the Dems and Republicans have a lock on it for the foreseeable future.

Echoic: Obama's support is definitely more established. They've got a humming office in Pioneer Square.

Of course, this could be offset by the vast number of super-biatchy boomer moms who will uber-loudly shriek for the vagina.

quatchi

Since you brought up Senators that reminds me:


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This was drawn in June 2005 after a Conservative MP alleged that agents of PM Martin tried to bribe him into defecting from his party days before the confidence vote.

This was also a couple of months after MP Chuck Cadman changed his mind at the last minute, and decided to vote AGAINST the non-confidence vote, even though he had voted FOR a different non-confidence vote less than a week before.

/The more you know