Oh please oh please oh please...

What the hell is Subby talking about? February 5th is going to be the tits. That's where the show is going to be.

Over on Huffington Post, there's a story that Edwards is the king maker -- If he stays in after South Carolina, and it's still close between Clinton and Obama, he could very well cede those votes to who he wants to win. Hopefully Obama.

I voted!

It's cold and rainy right now in upstate SC. Not crowded at all at my precinct, but it is a somewhat rural area. McCain will win SC, you heard it here first!

/didn't vote for McCain

Why is 9/11 still running? He is clearly not going to be a contender anywhere 'cept Fla, NY and Ca

Socratease: I voted!

It's cold and rainy right now in upstate SC. Not crowded at all at my precinct, but it is a somewhat rural area. McCain will win SC, you heard it here first!

/didn't vote for McCain

Glad you voted, for whoever. Why do you think it's McCain? Poll show a dead heat.

Socratease: McCain will win SC, you heard it here first!

Thought Huckaberry was gonna nose him out cos of the massive Fundy Factor in SC.

Anybody but Hillary for the Dems.

I'm for Huckabee, because I think we need a president whose eyes point in different directions. It will keep our enemies on their toes.

The Palmetto poll, which is produced by the heads Clemson's political science department, shows McCain with a strong lead.
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They're my professors, and seem very confident it will be McCain who holds a 7% lead over Huckabee and a 14% lead over the third highest candidate. Granted there are still many undecideds, but South Carolinians like to pick a winner, and that appears to be McCain. Also, I suspect more of those undecideds will go to Thompson than Huckabee. The evangelical bloc, according to them, is not exactly a monolith in SC that will flock to the biggest Jesus freak. 70% of GOP responders go to church at least once a week, so they will helpharkabee but it's not like 50% of the church goers here will vote Huckabee. His weak stance on immigration and taxes doesn't bode well here, and Fred Thompson will draw from the folksy voters that might otherwise support Huck. It may very well be close, but McCain will win big in the major cities, I think. A lot of our national guard is fighting this war too, and they really like McCain because of his war record and leadership. Electability and leadership are important qualities here.

On a side note, I think all if not most of the precincts use computer ballots with no paper trail. Ivotronic I think is the company. I definitely didn't trust it based purely on common sense, but what can you do, not vote? Maybe that's the idea.

helpharkabee

lol filterpwnd

/nice headline, btw

So is this our Nevada Dem caucus discussion thread...?

honestly, even though the situation is so farked up that my state's delegates are taken away (florida), I much prefer this system than a national primary. The small state campaigning keep the media darling from sweeping away the race. If we had a national primary, Clinton wins the democratic primary in and landslide. Because of Iowa, we may have the chance to appoint someone electable.

Anyone just see the woman on MSBNC saying why she voted for the Hucknut?

Longtime Lurker: honestly, even though the situation is so farked up that my state's delegates are taken away (florida), I much prefer this system than a national primary. The small state campaigning keep the media darling from sweeping away the race. If we had a national primary, Clinton wins the democratic primary in and landslide. Because of Iowa, we may have the chance to appoint someone electable.

I agree. I like the "one state at a time" way of doing it, but it would be nice if the order of the states was randomized each election cycle.

DamnYankees: So is this our Nevada Dem caucus discussion thread...?

It could be. But everyone's busy in that other thread.

Can someone explain why the Nevada voting is over at noon? I don't understand this.

DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the Nevada voting is over at noon? I don't understand this.

The Dem Nevada caucus is scheduled to take place for two hours, starting at 11am local time. Some (smaller) caucuses will end earlier. For the most part we'll know the results by 3pm EST.

So will John Edwards drop out? Please? He's at, like, 5%/

DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the Nevada voting is over at noon? I don't understand this.

That's about the time most people in Las Vegas pass out from the booze and whores the night before, I think.

Can anyone explain the reason any state would choose a caucus over a primary? This system seems utterly insane.

FTA: "Snow is rare in South Carolina and brings the state to a standstill when it falls, even in small amounts."

Some reporter obviously did his or her homework. I'm a Southerner and the first to admit we drive like preschoolers on acid when the weather gets bad.

Socratease: I voted!
It's cold and rainy right now in upstate SC. Not crowded at all at my precinct,
but it is a somewhat rural area. McCain will win SC, you heard it here first!
/didn't vote for McCain

You up near Rock Hill? It's supposed to snow there tonight. (My old alma mater is there and I get weekly updates from my favorite pub, McHale's.) Oh, and didn't you hear.. all the cool kids are voting next week. :-D

DamnYankees: So will John Edwards drop out? Please? He's at, like, 5%

He has a real shot to beat Hilldogg in SC. SC really really despises Clinton, and this is Edwards' birth state. Besides I heard him say on a radio interview that he's in it for Feb. 5 and beyond. It could eventually come down to a brokered convention for the Democrats.

DamnYankees: Can anyone explain the reason any state would choose a caucus over a primary? This system seems utterly insane.

People like saying caucus.

caucus, caucus, caucus

DamnYankees: Longtime Lurker: honestly, even though the situation is so farked up that my state's delegates are taken away (florida), I much prefer this system than a national primary. The small state campaigning keep the media darling from sweeping away the race. If we had a national primary, Clinton wins the democratic primary in and landslide. Because of Iowa, we may have the chance to appoint someone electable.

I agree. I like the "one state at a time" way of doing it, but it would be nice if the order of the states was randomized each election cycle.

THIS! Just make sure the first states are small...

Yeah, having all states vote simultaneously is a very bad idea because name recognition would be more important than anything else.

I like the idea of randomizing the order every time.

Echoic: Yeah, having all states vote simultaneously is a very bad idea because name recognition would be more important than anything else.

I like the idea of randomizing the order every time.

let's not forget how Hillary kept commenting on how we now have a "national primary" last year :rolleyes

DamnYankees: Can anyone explain the reason any state would choose a caucus over a primary? This system seems utterly insane.

States and the parties are allowed to determine their respective nomination process. A standard process was never designed by the constitution, because political parties were never designed by the constitution. Primaries and caucuses evolved out of practice within the states instead of ruled by a federal standard. It comes down to which method the state and political party prefers to nominate - a secret ballot primary which can be open or closed to registered party members, or a discussion and voicing of support among members of the private political organization like the Iowa Democrats.

22.46% Current Nevada Democratic Caucus Results:

CLINTON 49.21%
OBAMA 44.82%
EDWARDS 5.37%

DamnYankees: I agree. I like the "one state at a time" way of doing it, but it would be nice if the order of the states was randomized each election cycle.

This. I've been pushing for this for awhile, but nobody listens to me.

kingdombuilderceo: I've been a lifelong republican but I am going to vote for Senator Obama.

I think this is why Republicans are pushing for Hilary

Flying Lasagna Monster: 22.46% Current Nevada Democratic Caucus Results:

CLINTON 49.21%
OBAMA 44.82%
EDWARDS 5.37%

Where are you getting these numbers from?

3:40 here in up-state SC and it is snowing really hard! I'm talking BIG flakes.

Socratease: DamnYankees: So will John Edwards drop out? Please? He's at, like, 5%

He has a real shot to beat Hilldogg in SC. SC really really despises Clinton, and this is Edwards' birth state. Besides I heard him say on a radio interview that he's in it for Feb. 5 and beyond. It could eventually come down to a brokered convention for the Democrats.

A brokered convention would be interesting, that's never happened in my lifetime and I'd be highly entertained to watch it go down. Only problem is the fear that they'd be stupid and we'd wind up with Hillary as the nominee, what with the establishment liking her and all.

How the hell is Clinton beating Obama by 14 points in Clark County? Do morons live there? I mean, I know there are a lot of idiots in Vegas, but they don't live there.

DamnYankees: Flying Lasagna Monster: 22.46% Current Nevada Democratic Caucus Results:

CLINTON 49.21%
OBAMA 44.82%
EDWARDS 5.37%

Where are you getting these numbers from?

The Dems have an official count website for Nevada, but the server won't load any longer for me.

31.48% Current Nevada Democratic Caucus Results:

CLINTON 50.17%
OBAMA 44.39%
EDWARDS 5.01%

drudgereport.com

rynthetyn: A brokered convention would be interesting, that's never happened in my lifetime and I'd be highly entertained to watch it go down. Only problem is the fear that they'd be stupid and we'd wind up with Hillary as the nominee, what with the establishment liking her and all.

I doubt there would be much to watch...it would happen in the back rooms.

Flying Lasagna Monster: 31.48% Current Nevada Democratic Caucus Results:

CLINTON 50.17%
OBAMA 44.39%
EDWARDS 5.01%

drudgereport.com

This is frustrating to watch

scavenger: Flying Lasagna Monster: 31.48% Current Nevada Democratic Caucus Results:

CLINTON 50.17%
OBAMA 44.39%
EDWARDS 5.01%

drudgereport.com

This is frustrating to watch

No kidding. Doesn't make any sense.

Senator Hillary Clinton: 50.21%
Senator Barack Obama: 44.4%
Senator John Edwards: 5.06%
Uncommitted: 0.24%
Congressman Dennis Kucinich: 0.09%
Senator Mike Gravel: 0%

38.34% reporting

nvdems08.com

Are Dems really stupid enough to nominate Hillary? John McCain will beat her. Romney probably would, too.

If the official Nevada website says 31% of the precincts have been counted, why do no news stations or websites show anything more than 4% reported?

DamnYankees: rynthetyn: A brokered convention would be interesting, that's never happened in my lifetime and I'd be highly entertained to watch it go down. Only problem is the fear that they'd be stupid and we'd wind up with Hillary as the nominee, what with the establishment liking her and all.

I doubt there would be much to watch...it would happen in the back rooms.

Yeah, but there will be leaks.

Calvin Coolidge: Are Dems really stupid enough to nominate Hillary? John McCain will beat her. Romney probably would, too.

Yeah, probably. I even think Huckabee could, if you combine the people who would come out just because they hate Hillary with those who would come out just to vote for a fundy.

Flying Lasagna Monster: nvdems08.com

Did you have any trouble with this site? It went to auto-refresh and I wasn't able to connect again for almost 20 minutes. It seems to be working now though.

I ask again - how does Hillary have a 14 point lead in Clark County, where the culinary union workers and casino workers vote? What THE HELL?

DamnYankees: scavenger: Flying Lasagna Monster: 31.48% Current Nevada Democratic Caucus Results:

CLINTON 50.17%
OBAMA 44.39%
EDWARDS 5.01%

drudgereport.com

This is frustrating to watch

No kidding. Doesn't make any sense.

Whenever I watch vote tallies I don't agree with, I remember all those stories of people believing they see Jesus or the Virgin Mary in moldy concrete or a tree trunk, and then it all makes sense.

Damn, if Clinton gets the nomination, I may have to vote Republican. I'm done with anyone named "Clinton" or "Bush".

/say no to political dynasties!

The Clintons are now claiming people weren't allowed to go vote for Hillary.

I can see it now, they're going to try to win this thing in the courts if they can't do it at the ballot box.

rynthetyn: The Clintons are now claiming people weren't allowed to go vote for Hillary.

I can see it now, they're going to try to win this thing in the courts if they can't do it at the ballot box.

They're winning at the ballot box. Which is perplexing, vexing, and maddening.