I can't look at him without thinking about little girls getting disemboweled by swimming pool drains.

That sucks because he actually has some pretty great ideas. He also seems to be the only "major" candidate who knows who the real enemy are: drug companies, insurance agencies, and Big Tobacco.

I think he just doesn't know when to quit. With his wife's health problems (and didn't I see that his daughter got hit by a car last week?) you'd think he'd scale back his aspirations.

I hope he gets picked for VP (kinda like getting picked last on the second-string team, but oh well)

Edwards is polling worse and worse by the day. It sucks for him, but, like Kucinich, he's really just hanging on to make some kind of 'point'. I can't believe he or any of his supporters really thinks he has a fair shot to win; he got 2nd in Iowa, which was his shining moment - but his shine was like that of a shooting star, brightest during its inevitable plummet down to earth.

Step aside John, and put your support behind B Hussein Obama. For your country, for your party, and for the world: we do not want Hillary Clinton.

It's too early to start excluding him. Hell, I don't want them excluding Kuchinich, either. Stop trying to make our choices for us, media.

I always thought the real enemy was an invasive federal government that wanted to control both my life and liberty as well as tell me how my capital would be dispersed for the common good.

Learn something new every day.

Ugh, I despise him.

I was done with him when he sent his wife out as an attack dog earlier in the campaign. The fact that she's cancer-ridden makes her unassailable; anyone attacking back would look like a douche for attacking a sick woman. I was rather surprised she faded back a bit. Did someone tell him how tacky that was?

/candidate for the poor with a $450 haircut?!
//I get a better haircut for $15 including tip

Freeper_Madness: Zarkin Frood: He seems to be the only "major" candidate who knows who the real enemy are: drug companies, insurance agencies, and Big Tobacco.


You left out Big Oil, Wal-Mart and Halliburton.

Obviously, lawyers are not the enemy.

As one news commentator said today, Edwards has had plenty of chances to speak in a variety of debates and he was polling well many months ago. Edwards had a lot of press when his wife announced she had cancer, more press than anyone else as well.

Thorsen: I always thought the real enemy was an invasive federal government that wanted to control both my life and liberty as well as tell me how my capital would be dispersed for the common good.

Learn something new every day.

No, silly. The government is just telling you what's best for you because it loves you.

I said before the primaries began that I could handle ANY of the current presidential candidates except him. He is just plain scum. There is a reason Kerry didn't endorse him.

Romney and Bloomberg can afford vanity campaigns. I'm not sure Edwards can. Why he hasn't worked out an alliance with Obama yet is surprising to me.

Then again, the way this is set up this year, why wouldn't you at least stick around through Feb. 5?

/"Ya can't win, Rock" - Burgess Meredith, "Rocky"
//"Gehhht Ouuttt" - Ghost in the house, "Amityville Horror"

Zarkin Frood: That sucks because he actually has some pretty great ideas. He also seems to be the only "major" candidate who knows who the real enemy are: drug companies, insurance agencies, and Big Tobacco.

troll?

idiot?

MugzyBrown: troll?

idiot?

How about neither?

Shaggy_C: Edwards is polling worse and worse by the day. It sucks for him, but, like Kucinich, he's really just hanging on to make some kind of 'point'. I can't believe he or any of his supporters really thinks he has a fair shot to win; he got 2nd in Iowa, which was his shining moment - but his shine was like that of a shooting star, brightest during its inevitable plummet down to earth.

Step aside John, and put your support behind B Hussein Obama. For your country, for your party, and for the world: we do not want Hillary Clinton.

It's still a bit unclear what kind of effect Edwards dropping out would have on the race. It would seem like it would benefit Obama the most because they have a similar message and Edwards obviously favors Obama over Clinton. However, if you look at polls and results from Iowa and NH you'll see that those who voted for Edwards generally came from the same demographics as Clinton; which basically means elderly white people and the less educated. In some states such as SC he's polling better than Obama among white voters, and his absence may send them towards Clinton.

The real wild card in speculation about him dropping out is the impact that an endorsement would have on his supporters. I think that if he just dropped out and stayed silent it would likely be helpful to Clinton, but it may give Obama a boost if he started to campaign vigorously for him.

There's also the question of what will happen if he stays in until the end. What happens if no candidate gets the required 2,025 delegates? Are they free to make a deal and give their delegates to another candidate, or is the nomination not really decided by the candidates? I'm assuming a situation (although somewhat unlikely) where the support of the superdelegates is either not enough to put any candidate over the top.

RKTeuthis: Ugh, I despise him.

I was done with him when he sent his wife out as an attack dog earlier in the campaign. The fact that she's cancer-ridden makes her unassailable; anyone attacking back would look like a douche for attacking a sick woman. I was rather surprised she faded back a bit. Did someone tell him how tacky that was?

/candidate for the poor with a $450 haircut?!
//I get a better haircut for $15 including tip

No, I personally believe he can't quite control his wife; that is, she has her own mind, and tends to speak out about what she personally believes. For example, she appears to be significantly more liberal than he is (example: she supports gay marriage, he doesn't).

Enough with the whining about lack of press. Wasn't it a few months back that his wife was whining about how it was so unfair he wasn't getting enough attention because he's a white male?

/Just drop out already

He still debated Chenney better than anyone else could have, that was a pretty bright moment for me seeing Darth Cheney going up against a smooth southern lawyer -- the undertones of Cheney being a corporatist debating a lawyer so successful for defeating corporations in court was also entertaining.

MugzyBrown: troll?

idiot?

How about neither?

How about both?

implementor: MugzyBrown: troll?

idiot?

How about neither?

How about both?

Nah, I'll stick with she's neither.

RKTeuthis: Ugh, I despise him.

I was done with him when he sent his wife out as an attack dog earlier in the campaign. The fact that she's cancer-ridden makes her unassailable; anyone attacking back would look like a douche for attacking a sick woman. I was rather surprised she faded back a bit. Did someone tell him how tacky that was?

/candidate for the poor with a $450 haircut?!
//I get a better haircut for $15 including tip

If your remote / clicker thingy died on Fixed News, perhaps some new batteries would eradicate this obvious guzzling of the mass media kool aid?

JESUS FARKIN CHRYSTE - WAKE THE FARK UP.

"ZZZOMG!!11!!Eleventy!!! He got an esspensive HAYERCUT OMG!! He am be the DEBBIL!"

you SOOOOOOOO = TEH FARKATARD!!!!

(random paradigm shift) Kudos, Alphax - "It's too early to start excluding him. Hell, I don't want them excluding Kuchinich, either. Stop trying to make our choices for us, media."

THIS. to the 740th power. This, this, this OH this. Sadly, a colossal cross section of the population will never, ever understand that they're being spoon fed every damn prefernce they have. Let me qualify this by saying I'm not shilling for Edwards. I'd hit it, but I'm not certain I'd vote for it. But frankly, it's getting farkin TIRESOME having (in essence) the media sift out the "top 3 box" choices in thiese instances. WTF? The "lesser" candidates suck up imporant air time that could otherwise be spent on (PAYOLA!)? F*ckin media SUXXXXITTTTT!

LOL

beanx:

If your remote / clicker thingy died on Fixed News, perhaps some new batteries would eradicate this obvious guzzling of the mass media kool aid?

JESUS FARKIN CHRYSTE - WAKE THE FARK UP.

"ZZZOMG!!11!!Eleventy!!! He got an esspensive HAYERCUT OMG!! He am be the DEBBIL!"

you SOOOOOOOO = TEH FARKATARD!!!!

Actually, I hate Fixed Noise.

I just don't think Edwards can claim to be for the poor when he gets a $450 haircut. Get the same haircut for $15 and donate the other $435 to a homeless shelter and maybe we'll talk.

I don't buy mass media hype, but that doesn't mean pundits can't come to the same conclusion I do--hoever they get there.

People who criticize someones haircut only shows that they have no depth to themselves. Frankly, I am sure Edwards has more important things to worry about than his haircut bill. I sure do.

I started out learning towards Edwards out of the big three and the campaign so far has confirmed the wisdom of my choice. I could swallow Obama though I don't agree with a lot of his positions. It's hard to read Obama, with his newness, and understand just what is political positioning and what is heart.

I am still not sure I trust Edwards 100% but I am sure now that he has dug a hole so deep that that he'll have to live with it, come what may.

The media decides who to have in the race, period...Obama v Clinton is a much better story than pretty much anything involving Edwards.

That's sad too.

I would have voted Democrat had Edwards been the lead on the ticket in 04 and I would in 08. It is probably not going to be an option.

It's too early to start excluding him. Hell, I don't want them excluding Kuchinich, either. Stop trying to make our choices for us, media.

thank you! they've been pre-emptively eliminating people for months, now, and no one's noticed. Go Mike Gravel!

And Kucinich stuff is still going strong, in a lot of areas. He actually beat Clinton in a straw poll in my local county party.

worlddan: People who criticize someones haircut only shows that they have no depth to themselves. Frankly, I am sure Edwards has more important things to worry about than his haircut bill. I sure do.

Criticize his haircut? I did no such thing. I criticized his flagrant spending while claiming to be for the poor.

He's smarmy and y'all eat it up like manna from heaven.

But heaven forbid someone call him on his hypocrisy.

/yes, I used the correct terminology

RKTeuthis: He's smarmy and y'all eat it up like manna from heaven.

But heaven forbid someone call him on his hypocrisy.

/yes, I used the correct terminology

Smarmy? Hypocrisy?

You keep using those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

(Picture of Indigo goes here)

Alphax:

Smarmy? Hypocrisy?

You keep using those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

(Picture of Indigo goes here)

1. They do mean what I think they mean.

2. If you're going to reference such an iconic character, you should know his correct name: Inigo Montoya


/prepare to die.

I'm so proud of how America picks their president. You people are farking brilliant.

RKTeuthis: 1. They do mean what I think they mean.

2. If you're going to reference such an iconic character, you should know his correct name: Inigo Montoya

(checks IMDB) Hmm, I could have sworn I'd heard a D in his name, all these years...

But I've not seen Edwards being swarmy or hypocritical.

That's a dumb cartoon, that's not Edwards.

Zarkin Frood: That sucks because he actually has some pretty great ideas. He also seems to be the only "major" candidate who knows who the real enemy are: drug companies, insurance agencies, and Big Tobacco.

I think he just doesn't know when to quit. With his wife's health problems (and didn't I see that his daughter got hit by a car last week?) you'd think he'd scale back his aspirations.

I hope he gets picked for VP (kinda like getting picked last on the second-string team, but oh well)

Drug and insurance companies are not the enemy. Government regulation and smarmy lawyers are. Wanna fix healthcare?

1: Remove the employer as the purchaser. Let the end-user be the customer.

2: Allow any american to purchase helth insurance from any carrier. Get rid of this having to buy in your own state crap.

3: Make healthcare providers provide cost lists. Let me shop for the best price.

4: TORT REFORM

5: And I do not know how to do this one - MAKE AMERICANS SMARTER.

/dayam

Hey it's "personal" for Edwards. How many times did he say that in the last debate?

Oh for fark's sake. I just watched an AD.

DAMMIT


DAMMIT

Don't watch it.

NancyGracesTesticles: I can't look at him without thinking about little girls getting disemboweled by swimming pool drains.

Yer not alone there.

That sed, Edwards has some great ideas and folk who insist on pointing out the cost of his haircuts FAIL to get the point big time. Wot's the point? That nobody ever got elected to office in the US by going to Magicuts and that other folks not only spend more money on haircuts but actually employ style consultants and make-up people and in the case of Shrillary, a plastic surgeon, to keep people from figuring out that underneath that pantsuit there is a full depends diaper.

People who argue that haircut non-point point can often be found on Global Warming threads biyatchin' that folks who go to global warming conferences actually take airplanes to get there rather than walk or use pogo sticks.

How do you argue with logic like that?

You don't, ...cos it isn't.

quatchi:
That sed, Edwards has some great ideas and folk who insist on pointing out the cost of his haircuts FAIL to get the point big time. Wot's the point? That nobody ever got elected to office in the US by going to Magicuts and that other folks not only spend more money on haircuts but actually employ style consultants and make-up people and in the case of Shrillary, a plastic surgeon, to keep people from figuring out that underneath that pantsuit there is a full depends diaper.

People who argue that haircut non-point point can often be found on Global Warming threads biyatchin' that folks who go to global warming conferences actually take airplanes to get there rather than walk or use pogo sticks.

Every presidential candidate has "some great ideas" (except perhaps that nutter Ron Paul), but that doesn't mean that every candidate should be president.

The point about his haircut (among other things) is that he's extravagant then goes on about what a down home, down-to-earth, son of a mill worker yadda yadda yadda...

He's full of shiat.

They're all full of shiat, I know.

But I find him smarmy and hypocritical.

He made it a point when he made a point of getting that haircut as part of a photo op.

Every presidential candidate has "some great ideas" (except perhaps that nutter Ron Paul), but that doesn't mean that every candidate should be president.

Nobody is saying that Edwards should be POTUS just that some of his ideas deserve more play expecially the ones about DC being a bunch of coporate biatches making short term deals to pad the pockets of the special interests against the expressed and long term interests of the general populace, but do go on.

The point about his haircut (among other things) is that he's extravagant then goes on about what a down home, down-to-earth, son of a mill worker yadda yadda yadda...

The fact that Edwards wasn't born on third base thinking he'd just hit a triple is definitely germaine to the argument as to where the systemic disconnect in DC mostly resides. Consider one Mitten Romulan, son of the Michigan Governator, out to buy hisself a Presidency. Electing scions of privelege to DC and then wondering why they act like self serving elitists when they get there IS the problem. Edwards aint Paris Hilton. He earned the right to live in a big house and spent wotever sum of money he wants on a farkin' haircut.

He's full of shiat.
They're all full of shiat, I know.

Everybody on this planet has a certain bullshiat to truth ratio. Factoring the percentiles in the pols is a useful endevour. Blanket statements like "they are all ful of shiat" are about as useful to the discourse as saying none of them are full of shiat.

But I find him smarmy and hypocritical

Yer opinion and you have the right to it.

That sed, I find the guy is more authentic than any of the candidates on the right but his message, which is essentially correct, is too full of doom and gloom fer a nation which has been dumbed down by an MSM with rose colored blinkers on. Either Obama/ Biden or Obama/Edwards would suit me fine at this point.

The fact that Edwards couldn't even carry his own state the last time he ran as Veep makes me think that Obama/ Biden would be the better choice, btw.

He made it a point when he made a point of getting that haircut as part of a photo op.

Perhaps you consider it a worthy point but wot with the economy going down the shiatter, the War Eternal raging, the Terrorists a'growing b/c of sed war, habeus corpus destroyed, War Criminals in power, an infrastructure in tatters and about a million other things that need addressing, it does seem a particularily petty point to make.

More of a talking point than an actual point.




/Oblio agrees with Quatchi

Millzners: He still debated Chenney better than anyone else could have, that was a pretty bright moment for me seeing Darth Cheney going up against a smooth southern lawyer -- the undertones of Cheney being a corporatist debating a lawyer so successful for defeating corporations in court was also entertaining.

And yet he lost.

Takeshi6400
Millzners: He still debated Chenney better than anyone else could have, that was a pretty bright moment for me seeing Darth Cheney going up against a smooth southern lawyer -- the undertones of Cheney being a corporatist debating a lawyer so successful for defeating corporations in court was also entertaining.

And yet he lost.

By what measure?

RKTheutis

Criticize his haircut? I did no such thing. I criticized his flagrant spending while claiming to be for the poor.

Not that I care for the man. Hell, the whole election is out of my range.

But, how exactly would it help the poor if he got a $2 haircut instead? OK, so showing off wealth is offensive to those who have no money I guess. So I guess you're only happy if the poor helps the poor or something.

quatchi: Movie poster for The Point

Great movie.

Especially when you're on drugs. Or so I'm told. Not that I would know.

Alphax: Smarmy? Hypocrisy?

You keep using those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

On the hypocrisy point, I think Feingold said it well:

The one that is the most problematic is (John) Edwards, who voted for the Patriot Act, campaigns against it. Voted for No Child Left Behind, campaigns against it. Voted for the China trade deal, campaigns against it. Voted for the Iraq war ... He uses my voting record exactly as his platform, even though he had the opposite voting record.

And as for smarmy, that's eye of the beholder. I can't really stand listening to him, despite liking his politics.

FEINGOLD IN 2008!

I can dream, can't I?

Sadly, I think the US is ready for a femme or black President before it'd be ready for a Jewish one.

Dumle:

>>But, how exactly would it help the poor if he got a $2 haircut instead? OK, so showing off wealth is offensive to those who have no money I guess. So I guess you're only happy if the poor helps the poor or something.

I'm not poor, but I think that getting a $400 haircut (and a 28 million dollar house) is out of touch with the average person. Which is fine, just don't pretend to BE the average person (I pay $20 with tip for my haircuts at most). It's not like his haircut looks difficult, he probably could just go to Super Cuts or Fantastic Sams.

Neesie: Dumle:

>>But, how exactly would it help the poor if he got a $2 haircut instead? OK, so showing off wealth is offensive to those who have no money I guess. So I guess you're only happy if the poor helps the poor or something.

I'm not poor, but I think that getting a $400 haircut (and a 28 million dollar house) is out of touch with the average person. Which is fine, just don't pretend to BE the average person (I pay $20 with tip for my haircuts at most). It's not like his haircut looks difficult, he probably could just go to Super Cuts or Fantastic Sams.

THIS.

toddism: Zarkin Frood: That sucks because he actually has some pretty great ideas. He also seems to be the only "major" candidate who knows who the real enemy are: drug companies, insurance agencies, and Big Tobacco.

I think he just doesn't know when to quit. With his wife's health problems (and didn't I see that his daughter got hit by a car last week?) you'd think he'd scale back his aspirations.

I hope he gets picked for VP (kinda like getting picked last on the second-string team, but oh well)

Drug and insurance companies are not the enemy. Government regulation and smarmy lawyers are. Wanna fix healthcare?

1: Remove the employer as the purchaser. Let the end-user be the customer.

2: Allow any american to purchase helth insurance from any carrier. Get rid of this having to buy in your own state crap.

3: Make healthcare providers provide cost lists. Let me shop for the best price.

4: TORT REFORM

5: And I do not know how to do this one - MAKE AMERICANS SMARTER.

/dayam

Oh that's right, free market and faith in corporation's inherent benevolency is the answer to all our problems... Do you think the drug market is in any way a 'competative' market? No, government regulation is there it limit the monopolies' power over cost; maybe they aren't doing the best job but simply trusting the corporations to work in our best interest without oversight and regulation is going to literally kill people every year.

It doesn't work in the utilities market and it certainly won't work in medicare and drug markets. And I am NOT for universal health care, and NOT voting for Hillary, in case I am begining to sound like a supporter of either.

Thorsen: Learn something new every day.

Apparently not.

Dumle: But, how exactly would it help the poor if he got a $2 haircut instead? OK, so showing off wealth is offensive to those who have no money I guess. So I guess you're only happy if the poor helps the poor or something.

ALL of the farkin' candidates from both major parties pay a bundle for hair cuts, etc. The Edwards haircut thing is just a meme for the simple-minded so they can keep their candidates straight.

One could argue that a $400 haircut is a form of trickle-down economics... if you believe in that sort of thing.

magores: quatchi: Movie poster for The Point

Great movie.

Especially when you're on drugs. Or so I'm told. Not that I would know.

Quatchi resides in the forests of British Columbia.

We got some interesting herbiage round these here parts!

Laws yes!

/smoke 'em if ya got 'em