Didn't Bush have an alcoholic/coke problem?

/A little pot seems to pale in comparison.

Deperately trying to shake persistent stories of past drug use

Yeah Subby, it's embarassing that he's asking bookstores across country to pull his Autobiography.

Fail.

Deperately trying to shake persistent stories of past drug use, Obama opens campaign headquarters in former San Francisco head shop

Uh.. So every candidate should be judged by the previous occupants of the buildings where their campaign HQs currently are?

I know it's the silly tag, and it's not supposed to be news (it's fark). But this really is beyond stupid.

Subby: Deperately trying to shake persistent stories of past drug use,

The only people showing desperation in regards to Obama's past drug use are the Clinton surrogates who mention it. Every Clinton surrogate who has tried to make hay out his teenage drug use has been shamed for it later.

Unright: Uh.. So every candidate should be judged by the previous occupants of the buildings where their campaign HQs currently are?

Even if Obama didn't know about the previous occupants of this rental unit, or that his volunteers decided to rent without his knowledge, he should've known beforehand that this would cause a controversy even if he didn't know about it.

I don't know about you folks, but to me this kind of shortsightedness on the part of Obama makes me wonder if he has what it takes to be president.

What if there's a major crisis are he's out in San Francisco renting bong stores all day long? We, as a nation, can't afford to look so unprofessional in the eyes of the international community.

sigdiamond2000: Even if Obama didn't know about the previous occupants of this rental unit, or that his volunteers decided to rent without his knowledge, he should've known beforehand that this would cause a controversy even if he didn't know about it.

Well, I'm pretty sure every building in San Francisco has been a head shop at one point or another throughout history, so I guess that Obama is to blame for even acknowledging the city exists.

sigdiamond2000: Even if Obama didn't know about the previous occupants of this rental unit, or that his volunteers decided to rent without his knowledge, he should've known beforehand that this would cause a controversy even if he didn't know about it.

But what if he didn't know that he knew that he should know that he knew what the staffers he didn't know knew where they were going to rent, you know?

Of all the reasons not to vote for Obama, Hufington's bong shop story is the second to last on the list of shallow excuses.
The fact that he has been honest and forthright in discussing his past mistakes puts him far above someone who tries to hide or lie about past drug use. (*cough*-Dubya-*cough*-Bill-*)
And yet...


America loves to be fooled.

sigdiamond2000: I don't know about you folks, but to me this kind of shortsightedness on the part of Obama makes me wonder if he has what it takes to be president.

What if there's a major crisis are he's out in San Francisco renting bong stores all day long? We, as a nation, can't afford to look so unprofessional in the eyes of the international community.

You must be kidding. Really, tell us that wasn't serious and just a sarcastic joke...

I actually work in the same building as Obama's northern California HQ, so yeah, getting kick, whatever...

There seems to be some sort of clutching at straws to find some dirt about Obama. Like, I heard that Obama once took some aspirin.

Aspirin comes from a plant. You know what also is a plant?

Code_Archeologist: But what if he didn't know that he knew that he should know that he knew what the staffers he didn't know knew where they were going to rent, you know?

You make a really good point. I think that would be even further proof that Obama simply isn't built to handle the pressures of being president.

How's this for a nightmare scenario: Putin loses his mind and launches nukes at American soil while President Obama is busy clearing the remaining stock of incense and hacky sacks from the basement of one of these former drug den HQs. Say he can't hear the phone because he left it upstairs...

It's scary to think about. I think the survivors would envy the dead at that point.

he is? that is the first I have heard of it...

OlafTheBent: Didn't Bush have an alcoholic/coke problem?

/A little pot seems to pale in comparison.

I think a bunch of pot pales to even a moderate amount of coke.

But that's just me.

Etchy333:
Aspirin comes from a plant. You know what also is a plant?

Hitler?

Oh - that's not what you were going for was it.

Etchy333:
Aspirin comes from a plant. You know what also is a plant?

Hitler?


/sorry

Desperately trying to shake persistent stories?

Where, Newsmax? I've been watching the election thru MSM for a few months now, and I don't recall any desperation from the Obama camp.

Oh, and for drug use, I'd rather have a president that admits he made mistakes in the past than one that denies ever making a mistake at all. Ever.

I'm deperate for a headline with correct spelling.

Lord_Baull: Oh, and for drug use, I'd rather have a president that admits he made mistakes in the past than one that denies ever making a mistake at all. Ever.

"I inhaled. That was the point."

I really admire he doesn't assume we are all idiots and gives us the truth about his past. People can make thier judgements as they will but his honesty says so much more about him than his teen drug use.

When my friends first moved to San Fran they discovered that the apt. they rented (not so nice part of the Tenderloin) had formerly served as a whorehouse. The shocking pink and red color scheme should have been a hint, but when we found the secret hallways than ran behind the apts and had peepholes into each room and access to a back door, it kinda sealed the deal.

/even the landlord didn't know about he back hallways

OlafTheBent: Didn't Bush have an alcoholic/coke problem?

/A little pot seems to pale in comparison.

Are we talking about Bill Clinton here?

Obama was drinking alcohol and using cocaine before he graduated from high school.

To be fair, most retail locations here in San Francisco have at one time or another housed head shops.

I really admire he doesn't assume we are all idiots and gives us the truth about his past. People can make thier judgements as they will but his honesty says so much more about him than his teen drug use.

Teens and college students fall into two categories: those that have tried drugs and those that lied about trying drugs.

There is only one man who would never rent a former head shop as his headquarters in San Francisco.

That man is Ronpaul. Ronpaulronpaulronpaulronpaulronpaul!!!!

Given the batshait crazy antics of our so-called "sober" candidates, Obama's past drug use doesn't seem that bad.

sigdiamond2000: Even if Obama didn't know about the previous occupants of this rental unit, or that his volunteers decided to rent without his knowledge, he should've known beforehand that this would cause a controversy even if he didn't know about it.

I don't know about you folks, but to me this kind of shortsightedness on the part of Obama makes me wonder if he has what it takes to be president.

What if there's a major crisis and he's out in San Francisco renting bong stores all day long? We, as a nation, can't afford to look so unprofessional in the eyes of the international community.

You had me going there for a minute. Sly. Very sly.

OlafTheBent: Didn't Bush have an alcoholic/coke problem?

/A little pot seems to pale in comparison.

B-b-b-b-b-but Bush'd in the Boobies. Very impressive.

Izunbacol: There is only one man who would never rent a former head shop as his headquarters in San Francisco.

That man is Ronpaul. Ronpaulronpaulronpaulronpaulronpaul!!!!

Nice try at imitating teh crazies, but I'm sure Paul would rent the former Head Shop if it had the best storefront/cost ratio.

He is anti-Drug War, remember?

B-b-b-b-b-but Bush'd in the Boobies. Very impressive.

I think the issue is, if republicans didn't care about Bush's drug addiction, why should they care about Obama's?

Does anyone know if Obama is still paying Lobbyists to run his campaign?

It is crazy to elect a politician who has never smoked a joint.

1. Lobbyist(s) still run Obama's campaign
2. Every piece of property in SF was probably, at some point, a head shop

Hank Rearden: Does anyone know if Obama is still paying Lobbyists to run his campaign?

I thought that was Mittens who did that?

otherginger: 1. Lobbyist(s) still run Obama's campaign
2. Every piece of property in SF was probably, at some point, a head shop

1. 'splain. sources. thx. (not doubting what you are saying, I just don't know the specifics on this point.)
2. yup

Etchy333: Aspirin comes from a plant. You know what also is a plant?
Everyone who asks Hillary Clinton a question on CNN?

Hank Rearden
Does anyone know if Obama is still paying Lobbyists to run his campaign?

Have you stopped beating your wife?

what_now: Deperately trying to shake persistent stories of past drug use

Yeah Subby, it's embarassing that he's asking bookstores across country to pull his Autobiography.

Fail.

The brilliant thing is that he put the issue out there. He is magical so people don't care

otherginger
1. Lobbyist(s) still run Obama's campaign

I take it this is the new official anti-Obama talking point, or something?

Moses To Sandy Koufax: Etchy333: Aspirin comes from a plant. You know what also is a plant?
Everyone who asks Hillary Clinton a question on CNN?

Thread over

Really Subby? I thought he was very open about his drug use and his message that although sometimes you do mess up in life and find yourself doing things you shouldn't, this low moment of your life doesn't define who you are, that you can overcome it, do more, achieve and do things you couldn't possibly ever imagine as a child.

I thought his message was, although you can mess up in life, it doesn't absolutely kill your chances of becoming successful later in your adult life.


Now being born with silver spoon in mouth, doing coke, being an alcoholic, having everything handed to you, these things do not build good character, despite being in a leadership position.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/02/544600.aspx

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/lobbyists-on-obamas-08-payroll-2007-12-20.ht ml

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/07/sc_obama_backer_is_also_a_lo bb_1.html


/Not rabid anti-Ombama person, simply replied

Lord_Baull: I think the issue is, if republicans didn't care about Bush's drug addiction, why should they care about Obama's?

Because he's a black, drug abusing, radical Muslim!

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!

mrexcess: otherginger
1. Lobbyist(s) still run Obama's campaign

I take it this is the new official anti-Obama talking point, or something?

Obama's Nevada campaign steering committee includes three state lobbyists and two state legislators.

otherginger: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/02/544600.aspx

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/lobbyists-on-obamas-08-payroll-2007-12-20.ht ml

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/07/sc_obama_backer_is_also_a_lo bb_1.html


/Not rabid anti-Ombama person, simply replied

Thank you for the reply w/ articles. I had not known about that Hodges fellow before.

Lord_Baull: B-b-b-b-b-but Bush'd in the Boobies. Very impressive.

I think the issue is, if republicans didn't care about Bush's drug addiction, why should they care about Obama's?

Why are Republicans the people you're worrying about? Republicans aren't voting for Obama. This article has nothing to do with Republicans.

The Boobies had a knee-jerk reaction to the Obama story.

"Obama took drugs in the past. His new headquarters used to be a drug shop."
"BUSH DID DRUGS TOO!"

That is a classic B-b-b-b-but Bush!

If the article had said, "Larry Craig sets up campaign headquarters in abandoned male strip club" and some neocon responded with "AT LEAST HE DOESN'T GET BJs IN THE OVAL OFFICE", it'd be a B-b-b-b-but Clinton!

It works both ways.

I'm not sure anyone can gain a Senate seat or run for president without connections to lobbyists. Everyone who has an interest in anything political can be characterized as having a "Special Interest."

I just wish there wasn't a "my shiat doesn't stink but their's does" theme to some of the Obama discourse.

/won't hate it if he wins primary
/won't look forward to a New Bright Happy Different American Day of Hope Peace and Rainbows either

Etchy333: Aspirin comes from a plant. You know what also is a plant?

Moses to Sandy Koufax: Everyone who asks Hillary Clinton a question on CNN?

THIS.

Treygreen13

"Obama took drugs in the past. His new headquarters used to be a drug shop."
"BUSH DID DRUGS TOO!"

That is a classic B-b-b-b-but Bush!

If the article had said, "Larry Craig sets up campaign headquarters in abandoned male strip club" and some neocon responded with "AT LEAST HE DOESN'T GET BJs IN THE OVAL OFFICE", it'd be a B-b-b-b-but Clinton!

It works both ways.

No, it really doesn't work both ways. Republicans are sanctimonious assholes about drug use, and Bush did all he could to hide his past use. Republicans totally overlooked Bush's past use, despite the fact that he raised penalties for cocaine possession when he was governor of Texas, and despite the fact that they consider drug use to be morally wrong.

Meanwhile, Democrats could generally care less about drug use, and Obama freely mentioned his past use in his own autobiography.

There is absolutely no comparison. It's like how Democrats jumped all over Larry Craig not because he is a closet homosexual, but because in public he is extremely anti-gay. Same thing here. Bush is an anti-drug former drug user supported by anti-drug voters, Obama is not.

Holy crap, you can buy head in stores in San Francisco?