Is there a prize? There should be a ranking of torturers, so we can have a real goal here. We like competition. Extra points for most creative use of a cattle prod, that sort of thing.

We reap what we sow.

Under "definition of torture" the document lists U.S. interrogation techniques such as forced nudity, isolation, sleep deprivation and blindfolding prisoners.
I have a problem with 1 and 3. 2 is only acceptable under certain conditions (extremely dangerous criminals getting put in solitary I'm fine with, but anyone less than that shouldn't be) and calling 4 torture seems fairly WTFy. I mean, I see no reason why we SHOULD blindfold prisoners, but I don't really see why it's being called torture. Though I guess if you left it on for days at a time or something it would be.

So does the list include waterboarding? Because from several sources I've seen, that's not torture.

Whatever. Do you realize how many times I've been tortured by the voice of Celine Dion?

TheCid: calling 4 torture seems fairly WTFy. I mean, I see no reason why we SHOULD blindfold prisoners, but I don't really see why it's being called torture.

The blindfolds tend to actually be thick black hoods that block out all light and muffle sounds. It is a technique of sensory deprivation. Long periods of sensory deprivation causes disorientation, anxiety and depression... extended periods will trigger hallucinations and it has been known to cause permanent personality disorders.

The practice was abolished by most western nations in the 70's, as an ineffective means of interrogation. Pretty much what they discovered was that after a while the subject starts to lose touch with reality, and any information gained from that point forward becomes highly suspect. The major problem being that it was impossible to determine when that point was reached. Some people can withstand hours even days of sensory deprivation... while others will start experiencing visual and audio aberrations inside of 30 minutes.

And yes, sensory deprivation techniques are considered torture by all western nations, except most recently our own.

We don't torture in our jails ... we outsource it or do it off-site, like good Amerikans.

Is it because of ?

Hard for any rational person to argue against this in either case, really.

And-1: Hard for any rational person to argue against this in either case, really.

True, but then again most people aren't all that rational.

It hurts because it's true.

Yep, sounds about right.

/Love America, not always what America does.
//I suppose that's like having children

who cares what the farking crybabians think anyways. we saved there asses in wwII without us they would be speaking german and farking chinese.

who the fark cares if TERRORISTS feel a little pain. you libral pussys don't understand. I had a view of boston international airport on 9/11. you don't know the fear that brought.

they want to fark with us we'll fark with them. if the crybabians want some they can have some too.

better start learning arabic you syrup-chugging surrender monkeys.

I liked it when Farkers actually debated or made a joke instead of the current trend where people make up an extreme point of view they don't really hold just to rile people up*.


*AKA: Trolling

liberalish: /Love America

So much promise, squandered. The Federalist Papers should be required reading for all U.S citizens.

Should probably read, "Canada's liberal majority, being that they are the majority and can do these kinds of things, makes a political statement against the conservative government of the United States meant to embarrass. Result of statement: about the same as a non-binding resolution. Politics as usual."

Aeonic_Blue: who cares what the farking crybabians think anyways. we saved there asses in wwII without us they would be speaking german and farking chinese.

who the fark cares if TERRORISTS feel a little pain. you libral pussys don't understand. I had a view of boston international airport on 9/11. you don't know the fear that brought.

they want to fark with us we'll fark with them. if the crybabians want some they can have some too.

better start learning arabic you syrup-chugging surrender monkeys.

As a hawkish conservative who does not believe that what we are doing is "torture" in the context applied, please stop talking. Please...

SemperLieSuckah: Should probably read, "Canada's liberal majority, being that they are the majority and can do these kinds of things, makes a political statement against the conservative government of the United States meant to embarrass. Result of statement: about the same as a non-binding resolution. Politics as usual."

Aww you tried, that's so cute. You did that thing where you change the party names to make sense of the story. Please stop, you're making me laugh. I can't stop. Oh, oh, ow. It hurts, I'm laughing so hard it hurts. Add torture by induced laughing to the list of no-no's

SemperLieSuckah: Should probably read, "Canada's liberal majority, being that they are the majority and can do these kinds of things, makes a political statement against the conservative government of the United States meant to embarrass. Result of statement: about the same as a non-binding resolution. Politics as usual."

Politics has truly nothing to do with the belief that people probably shouldn't be needlessly tortured.

SemperLieSuckah: As a hawkish conservative who does not believe that what we are doing is "torture" in the context applied, please stop talking. Please...

Ignorance. Is it bliss?

SemperLieSuckah: Aeonic_Blue: who cares what the farking crybabians think anyways. we saved there asses in wwII without us they would be speaking german and farking chinese.

who the fark cares if TERRORISTS feel a little pain. you libral pussys don't understand. I had a view of boston international airport on 9/11. you don't know the fear that brought.

they want to fark with us we'll fark with them. if the crybabians want some they can have some too.

better start learning arabic you syrup-chugging surrender monkeys.

As a hawkish conservative who does not believe that what we are doing is "torture" in the context applied, please stop talking. Please...

i dont get it.

SemperLieSuckah: Should probably read, "Canada's liberal majority, being that they are the majority and can do these kinds of things, makes a political statement against the conservative government of the United States meant to embarrass. Result of statement: about the same as a non-binding resolution. Politics as usual."

You're a bit of a mess, aren't you? Pretty much a bag of toys intellectually yes?

SemperLieSuckah there wants, of his own volition, to be forced to perform sex acts on other men while handcuffed and blindfolded with dirty panties while a fluorescent light bulb tube is shoved up his ass. Because he likes it, he think it shouldn't be against the law to do it to anyone for any reason as determined by the faceless and unaccountable person who does not keep records, or rather keeps no records after the white house destroys the snuff films.

As for executing Japanese officers found guilty of water-boarding, he does not consider them to be humans in the same sense as white christian americans are, and thus no soul -> no sin -> no worries and it is a moot point.

This is the only scenario that is both logical and continuous using SLS's statements as a reference

How does "forced to perform sex acts on other men while handcuffed and blindfolded with dirty panties while a fluorescent light bulb tube is shoved up his ass"

equal

"forced nudity, isolation, sleep deprivation and blindfolding prisoners.

???

h to the 'ojo:

So you're saying SemperLieSuckah was at Abu Ghraib?

Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez: So you're saying SemperLieSuckah was at Abu Ghraib?

You're.. not too bright, are you?

zeph`: Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez: So you're saying SemperLieSuckah was at Abu Ghraib?

You're.. not too bright, are you?

Alt's usually aren't

Aeonic_Blue: i dont get it.

not surprised

zeph`: You're.. not too bright, are you?

It seemed like a lot of words to put in someones mouth based on one comment. If it was over some other thread, then I'm sorry I butted in.

h to the 'ojo: Alt's usually aren't

Don't you dare accuse me of being A_D/hellbent/whoever

Oh this is Libtard bullshiat. It's not like we have secret prisons in foreign countries. (new window)

I mean we do use "enhanced interrogation techniques, like waterboarding, (new window) but that isn't torture. (new window)

Go ahead, try it. After all, Rush Limbaugh said it's no worse than the hazing you went through at your fraternity. (new window)

/sarcasm
//slashies sarcasm

Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez: h to the 'ojo: Alt's usually aren't

Don't you dare accuse me of being A_D/hellbent/whoever

Welcome to FARK. You must be new here

SemperLieSuckah:
As a hawkish conservative who does not believe that what we are doing is "torture" in the context applied, please stop talking. Please...

It was a joke - the boston airport line gave it away.

h to the 'ojo: Welcome to FARK. You must be new here

Is this where I post a cartoon?

Mastervader: Oh this is Libtard bullshiat.

/sarcasm

Yup. Keep telling yourself it's partisan. Soldiers and CIA were well behaved under JFK and LBJ. No "gooks" were tortured, everyone acted with civility.

/sarcasm

It's all come home to roost, Canada really likes you! Go USA!

um, watch?

When you're through watching you think you could, uh, do something about it? Somebody? Anybody?

/preferably somebody who has the power to do something
//unlike me
///spare me the speech about my vote

Choo-Choo Bear: Mastervader: Oh this is Libtard bullshiat.

/sarcasm

Yup. Keep telling yourself it's partisan. Soldiers and CIA were well behaved under JFK and LBJ. No "gooks" were tortured, everyone acted with civility.

/sarcasm


I never said that that crap didn't go on in Vietnam. But it isn't effective (new window) and it isn't popular, and it ain't winning us any friends. It only hurts the war's cause, and acts as a recruitment tool.

Hell, even Sun Tzu advised turning your captives into your allies, not torturing them.

Mastervader: I never said that that crap didn't go on in Vietnam.

Nope, and your point about it not being effective is correct. However, I was picking on your political partisanship.

If the U.S. is behaving badly, it's not new, and it didn't start with this administration.

If the U.S. is behaving badly, it needs to be fixed, and that occurs by having unity, not through attacks.

If people on both sides didn't have so much mindless hatred for the "other party" and knee-jerk reactions, we might be able to accomplish something.

/Vote Choo in '12.

IF you're so caught up in your progressive fantasyland that you fear you and your family will be totured if you come to the US - fine. Stay home. In fact, go live on Mars. In a cave. With your fingers in your ears.

I hate Canadian socialists.

SemperLieSuckah: Should probably read, "Canada's liberal majority, being that they are the majority and can do these kinds of things, makes a political statement against the conservative government of the United States meant to embarrass. Result of statement: about the same as a non-binding resolution. Politics as usual."

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's a "Conservative" minority, and it has mostly embarrassed itself. The quotes are apropos of them not really knowing what in hell they are.

Prussian_Roulette: IF you're so caught up in your progressive fantasyland that you fear you and your family will be totured if you come to the US - fine. Stay home. In fact, go live on Mars. In a cave. With your fingers in your ears.

You're right. (new window) There is no risk in travelling to America. (new window) No chance of an illegal or unreasonable detention in your fine nation. (new window) And since it's not torture if you've got the Stars & Stripes on your sleeve, I'm sure we're all comfortable even if we are selected from an airport line and detained by American security forces for being brown-skinned or non-Christian. It'll be lovely.

Those you citing 'Canadian liberals', please enjoy your Hungry Man sized portion of EPIC FAIL.

Urgh. Those OF you citing. Those OF you.

/I'll take a six-pack of fail nuggets to go

You can try to excuse it with politics but if Canada -- Canada! whose international reputation is still pretty much unsullied! -- actually went so far as to put us on the torture list, then I am mortified. Seriously mortified.

Oh come on. You Canucks allow snowboarding in you country so stop acting so shocked about our waterboarding, eh?

Nestea Plunge: Torture makes Cheney aroused.

There is absolutely everything wrong with that sentence.

Especially since I heard he can only have an orgasm while strangling a puppy.

/TREAT AS SECRET

there's a good reason why we don't do this sort of thing on american soil.
shady technicality FTW!

/it's wrong!
//oh you're doing it over there? ok then. they're probably guilty anyway.

Once we get a Democrat back in office, maybe then we can get some of our soul back.

Olympus Mons: Once we get a Democrat back in office, maybe then we can get some of our soul back.

I hope so
we'll see...