They think they're justified because they believe the right to be intolerant. They don't understand the difference between tolerance and acceptance.

Ah, from the WSJ's "No, you are!" division.

Mr. Clinton may have been imperfect, but Mr. Bush -- whom people on the far left routinely compare to Hitler -- is evil. This of course destroys the liberal stereotype even more eloquently than the data. The very essence of intolerance is to dehumanize the people with whom you disagree by asserting that they are not just wrong, but wicked.

Yeah...people on the right never do that.



If I felt like spending the time, I could put up numerous quotes and book titles from Coulter, Malkin, D'Souza, Hannity, etc.

But you go ahead and hold on to the belief that Conservatives are warm and fuzzy...after all, some guy at a Murdoch-owned rag says so, so it must be true.

Ever notice how the people who speak of tolerance are always demanding it and never extending it?

Both sides have intolerant affiliated organizations. Pots and kettles...

aegisalpha: Both sides have intolerant affiliated organizations. Pots and kettles...

This right here... in any sufficiently large group of people there will always be a number of loud, strident assholes.

Yeah, I hear all this payback is a biatch talk if Hillary is elected. It's like they felt wronged so rather than rising above it to better the country, they'd just settle for sticking it to the right.

Thus preserving the status quo for when the right does it right back to them.

That's our America.

How to Talk to a Liberal If You Must : The ... - 2004 - 353 pages

Slander : Liberal Lies About the American Right - 2002 - 256 pages

Godless : The Church of Liberalism - 2006 - 529 pages

/yes, those liberals are so intolerant

. And sure enough, those on the extreme left give President Bush an average temperature of 15 and Vice President Cheney a 16. Sixty percent of this group gives both men the absolute lowest score: zero.

To put this into perspective, note that even Saddam Hussein (when he was still among the living) got an average score of eight from Americans.

So Bush and Cheney are twice as high as Saddam?

// I give subby a 0

We Farkers already know that there's no hate like Liberal hate. Non-story.

My local paper doesn't run Cal Thomas's columns, but I fondly recall how he was always railing about how Republicans and right-minded people were far too nice, while Democrats, Liberals and Leftists were mean-spirited, nasty and downright untrustworthy. Glad to see the WSJ keeping up the good work. Their jounalism is at least fair, if not completely balanced.

/Anyone who didn't get it can read that last sentence again.

If there's intolerance, it's a reaction, pure and simple, to the rather fascistic wannabes like the Bush Crime Family, Reagan and Nixon.

And to people that supported those warmongering elitists, there's going to be a lot of perceived "intolerance."

Mr. Clinton may have been imperfect, but Mr. Bush -- whom people on the far left routinely compare to Hitler -- is evil. This of course destroys the liberal stereotype even more eloquently than the data. The very essence of intolerance is to dehumanize the people with whom you disagree by asserting that they are not just wrong, but wicked.

Bullcrap. Bush is a fool and a tool, but not really evil.

Cheney, on the other hand....

Two Dogs Farking 2008-01-17 06:20:19 PM

We Farkers already know that there's no hate like Liberal hate. Non-story.

/got anything more original from Coulter or Malkin?

Political thermometer scores?

Oh that's a relief. I thought he was going to go with something completely unscientific.

People in this survey who called themselves "conservative" or "very conservative" did have a fairly low opinion of liberals -- they gave them an average thermometer score of 39. The score that liberals give conservatives: 38.

You see, that proves it. 39 is a bigger number than 38. And with that completely scientific method, I can see how you can justify calling the left Godwinning hate-o-philes.

Etchy333: Political thermometer scores?
Oh that's a relief. I thought he was going to go with something completely unscientific.

I rate your comment at 88 degrees. Not cool.

/because 88 degrees is fairly warm. Stupid scale.

OK, the title of this is "The Bitter Much? Rant"

Liberals are more intolerant than conservative.
This is very true.

Back in the mid '90's when school shootings were that latest media fetish, I refused to give in the the various propaganda lies about things like 14-children-a-day-killed or how evil so called assault weapons were, and actually placed NRA stickers on my car and my bicycles and would argue back when things like that were parroted as received wisdom.

I was essentially forced out of a local bicycle club by progressives that called me baby killer and a brain-washed cult member for also being then-active in local libertarian politics. It was like a bad c-grade movie about the '60's . Never mind I was pro drug-legalization, pro-gay-marriage, pro-choice on abortion, and an atheist activist as well.

Because I supported gun rights I was evil. I left since I would rather keep my self respect than buckle under to constant haranges about how big a monster I was for supporting the NRA. Too bad I didn't have GOA or JPFO stickers as well.

I also got grief from quite a few liberal-christian-radicals, yes they do exist. Where conservative christians would tell me they did not uderstand my atheism, and disagreed with me, they basically let it be. Few had real problems with it. The liberal-christians though would never let it go. Constant badgering to save my soul.

The conservative were also more likely to discuss rationally things like drug legalization and first amendment issues. Liberals were always the most vociferous drug warriors and most likely to demand censorship, usually of pornography, the internet or talk radio.

And so far as racism goes, I never heard a peep of racism from conservative. Some clueless ignorance and misinformation, yes, but never dismissal, bigotry or hate. That I got from liberals, mostly concerning blacks and jews.

The only place where conservatives tended to get red-faced and upset was over abortion, on most other things they were willing to leave you alone if you returned the favor.

Liberals wanted to save you even if it destroyed your life, family, job, home, wealth or even killed you. At least you would die in dignity rather than live in exploited happiness.

I have had similar problems in various atheist groups. Mention you do not like Clinton or Gore and the reaction was worse than if you spit on the Pope during a Sunday mass. Never mind I do not like Bush, Cheney, or any of that crew either.

Liberals are hysterically intolerant compared to conservatives.

I've see right wingers regularly claim that liberals are all "traitors" and they deserve to be attacked and thrown out of office, yada yada.

I never have heard the reverse.

Article is some bulllshait.

Oh no not
LIBERALS!!!

People in this survey who called themselves "conservative" or "very conservative" did have a fairly low opinion of liberals -- they gave them an average thermometer score of 39. The score that liberals give conservatives: 38.

OMG!

1 point!

By all means lets point fingers and not fix a damn thing. Work together? Fark that, lets argue over something mindbottlingly stupid.

I also got grief from quite a few liberal-christian-radicals, yes they do exist. Where conservative christians would tell me they did not uderstand my atheism, and disagreed with me, they basically let it be. Few had real problems with it. The liberal-christians though would never let it go. Constant badgering to save my soul.

COmplete opposite experience for me.

liberal-christian nutjobs would argue with me over aethiesm and try to convince me, but overall they let me be and it was never a problem.

Conservative-christian nutjobs, OTOH, would shout how I was going to "burn in hell" and how I didn't deserve to live in this country and yada yada yada.

They were FAR FAR FAR FAR more intolerant.

how to tell if you are an idiot: you categorize your friends and neighbors as being either "liberal" or "conservative."

how to tell if you are an idiot, part two: you post on the FARK Politics page.

/d'oh!

SSP: How to Talk to a Liberal If You Must : The ... - 2004 - 353 pages

Slander : Liberal Lies About the American Right - 2002 - 256 pages

Godless : The Church of Liberalism - 2006 - 529 pages

/yes, those liberals are so intolerant

Ann Coulter is intolerant, therefore liberals aren't?

Explain?

TheConvincingSavant: Yeah, I hear all this payback is a biatch talk if Hillary is elected. It's like they felt wronged so rather than rising above it to better the country, they'd just settle for sticking it to the right.

Can you really blame them? Everytime they try to rise above the shiatslinging and try to be above it, they get ridiculed for being gutless worms and wind up getting steamrolled for playing fair. I don't really approve of sinking to the low political standards of Republicans for the sake of winning elections, but I can't really work up any outrage over it either after seeing how many times they get dicked over for doing otherwise.

Fark 'em all. I'm voting for Chief Wanna Dubie

Oh my...well, as someone who was a pretty hardcore righty just a couple months ago, I think it's true. The left thinks all people on the right are complete idiots. Well, a lot of Republicans are complete idiots, but the left is vicious about it. I keep trying to tell you guys, relax, calmly explain things, and they'll get it, but NOOOO. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar, natch.

And Afternoon_Delight Freeper_Madness - Awesome picture!

*nods*



/take in a Liberal Hate Parade when some Republican, any Republican at all, dies. They put on quite a show.

conductormtm: I'm voting for Chief Wanna Dubie

If he's on any ticket he gets my vote. Unless he's a liberal commie facist union worker.

whidbey: If there's intolerance, it's a reaction, pure and simple, to the rather fascistic wannabes like the Bush Crime Family, Reagan and Nixon.

Mussolini's fascist platform:

lower minimum voting age.

abolition of senate and creation of a nation council on intellectual and manual labor, industry, commerce and culture

End of the draft.

Repeal of titles of nobility

A foreign policy aimed at expanding Italy's will and power.

8 hour work week only.

minimum wage.

creation of various government bodies run by workers' representatives.

Reform of old-age and pension system.

Force landowners to cultivate land or expropriate for the people.

The state to build rigidly secular schools.

A large progressive tax on capital.

Seizure of all goods belonging to religious organizations.

Nationalization of all arms and explosive industries.



Yeah, sounds just like the conservative platform.

In 1998, Bill Clinton and Al Gore were hardly popular among conservatives. Still, in the 1998 ANES survey, Messrs. Clinton and Gore both received a perfectly-respectable average temperature of 45 from those who called themselves extremely conservative. While 28% of the far right gave Clinton a temperature of zero, Gore got a zero from just 10%. The bottom line is that there is simply no comparison between the current hatred the extreme left has for Messrs. Bush and Cheney, and the hostility the extreme right had for Messrs. Clinton and Gore in the late 1990s.


um, this is pretty darn retarded because Bush is not Clinton and Gore is not Cheney. They are different people who have done different things.

It is not a requirement that everyone like every single conservative equally to every individual liberal.

If you took the same poll and used Hillary Clinton for the liberal person and McCain for the republican you would get WAY more hate for Hillary than McCain.

If you used Ann Coulter for the conservative and, I dunno, Bruce Spingsteen for the liberal you'd get way more hate for the conservative.

Neither of those would prove anything.


This of course destroys the liberal stereotype even more eloquently than the data.

um, no, your straw man doesn't destroy anything, much less your "data" (as you so generously call it)

So..... Liberals don't like conservative. And Conservative don't like liberals.... and gays, foreigners, Muslims, environmentalists, African-americans, college professors, women voters, pro-choice groups, CNN, public schools, unions and the Clintons. Yeah.... seems balanced to me.

Also, the goonball that wrote this article is the author of
Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth about Compassionate Conservatism

Surprising proof that conservatives really are more compassionate--and more generous--than liberals.

Yep, sure sounds like a neutral journalist to me...

sigh.

This country's political dialogue is absolutely pathetic.

Arthur Jumbles: So..... Liberals don't like conservative. And Conservative don't like liberals.... and gays, foreigners, Muslims, environmentalists, African-americans, college professors, women voters, pro-choice groups, CNN, public schools, unions and the Clintons. Yeah.... seems balanced to me.

Imagine that...A liberal acting condescending. Are you trying to be witty by proving the point of the article?

Bill Frist: Yep, sure sounds like a neutral journalist to me...

Imagine that...A liberal using ad hominem. Are you trying to be witty by proving the point of the article?

Shaggy_C: The left thinks all people on the right are complete idiots. Well, a lot of Republicans are complete idiots, but the left is vicious about it. I keep trying to tell you guys, relax, calmly explain things, and they'll get it, but NOOOO. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar, natch

That's a nice sentiment...in principle.

tomWright: Liberals are hysterically intolerant compared to conservatives.

Like I said, for a good reason.

Take a look around. It's hard to be "tolerant" of a blatant power grab. The only way TO change anything is to yell and scream until the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

And so far as racism goes, I never heard a peep of racism from conservative. Some clueless ignorance and misinformation, yes, but never dismissal, bigotry or hate. That I got from liberals, mostly concerning blacks and jews.

That's because it's so deeply ingrained, it isn't even considered "racism."

It's old and busted to yell racial epithets, the newer hawtness of the past 30 years is to avoid hiring people of color and accepting them as part of society.

"We have not only a Hindu prayer being offered in the Senate, we have a Muslim member of the House of Representatives now, Keith Ellison from Minnesota. Those are changes -- and they are not what was envisioned by the Founding Fathers," asserts Sali." Bill Sali (R) Idaho

and there's other examples. Macaca. They still revere Strom Thurmond.

Hell you can't even say "Happy Holidays" anymore without them getting their panties in a wad.

They gotta lotta nerve spinning intolerance against liberals.
It's an insult to your intelligence if you buy into that for even a second.

That was amazingly retarded, even by WSJ standards. Keep in mind that someone was PAID to write this.

Lets break this article down:

Article Facts

- Liberals disapprove of Bush and Cheney more than conservatives disapproved of Clinton and Gore.
- A friend of mine roots against southern baseball teams.
- Liberal contempt for conservatives is identical to conservative contempt for liberals, statistically speaking

Article Conclusion

Liberals are more intolerant than conservatives.

Article Title

Liberal Hatemongers

Shaggy_C Quote 2008-01-17 07:52:55 PM
Bill Frist: Yep, sure sounds like a neutral journalist to me...

Imagine that...A liberal using ad hominem. Are you trying to be witty by proving the point of the article?


I don't think you know what ad hominem is.

And about a dozen conseratives have already posted far more insulting things than suggesting someone isn't a neutral journalist in this thread. Guess that proves the article wrong then, huh?

sigh

Crude: take in a Liberal Hate Parade when some Republican, any Republican at all, dies. They put on quite a show

Why is it you assume it's all liberals? I've seen a good number of libertarians and conservatives giving folks like Cheney and Reagan a well-deserved "Fark you" anytime they come up in a thread.

Arthur Jumbles: So..... Liberals don't like conservative. And Conservative don't like liberals.... and gays, foreigners, Muslims, environmentalists, African-americans, college professors, women voters, pro-choice groups, CNN, public schools, unions and the Clintons. Yeah.... seems balanced to me.

part of the problem right there, thanks AJ

- A friend of mine roots against southern baseball teams.

The funniest part about this is that we are on Fark and anyone who posts in fark sports threads knows that like half the posters who are from conservative states spend their entire time ranting against "East coast teams!" and talking about how they "Hate anything from New York or Boston!"

etc.

Bill Frist: COmplete opposite experience for me.

liberal-christian nutjobs would argue with me over aethiesm and try to convince me, but overall they let me be and it was never a problem.

Conservative-christian nutjobs, OTOH, would shout how I was going to "burn in hell" and how I didn't deserve to live in this country and yada yada yada.

They were FAR FAR FAR FAR more intolerant.

I had exactly ONE right-wing christian ever give me and problem. and that was AFTER he said he voted for me in an election because I was a god-fearing person, and I told him I was an atheist.

Other conservatives would disagree with me, but never with vitriol or hate. At most they would leave me alone.

Not the liberals. They will not leave you alone.

Maybe it is different areas of the country. I am in NJ. For some reason I find most conservatives in the North East are fairly tolerant, it is the libs that will try to save you to death. Maybe it is because the conservatives are outnumbered.

I did get a slightly different vibe in Iowa, the Carolinas, Georgia and Alabama, but even then, not as bad as from libs in NJ. Maybe I just need to spend more time in the babble-belt. OK, no. I don't.

sorry, the quote from bill should have ended after "They were FAR FAR FAR FAR more intolerant."

Shaggy_C Quote 2008-01-17 07:45:13 PM
The left thinks all people on the right are complete idiots.

Well look at that, a conservative stereotyping half the population and poisoning the well. Are you trying to be witty by proving the article wrong?

Shaggy_C:

Imagine that...A liberal acting condescending. Are you trying to be witty by proving the point of the article?

Ahh, we have bizarro Shaggy for today.

Bill Frist: I don't think you know what ad hominem is.

Do I need to walk you through it?

1) Bill Frist thinks the author is biased.
2) Bill Frist attacks the author.
3) Bill Frist dismisses the content of the article.

Now read the definition:

The article is stupid and conservatives are stupid for reading it.

I had exactly ONE right-wing christian ever give me and problem. and that was AFTER he said he voted for me in an election because I was a god-fearing person, and I told him I was an atheist.

Lucky you.

I'm telling you, since you are so hot on anecdotal experience, that my experience has been the complete opposite. I hold as many positions that piss off liberals as ones that piss of right wingers and although I've had some nasty spats with liberals, even the nastiest of them has made them look like Carebears compared to the conservative hate I've seen and heard.

It isn't even close.


Maybe it is different areas of the country. I am in NJ.

Well, oddly enough you feel more liberal hate from the North and I feel more conservative hate from the South.