Coburn, R-Muskogee

I bet he doesn't smoke marijuana, take trips on LSD, burn draft cards or make a party out of lovin.

I though Lieberman endorsed him weeks ago!

Okie dokie.

vernonFL: Coburn, R-Muskogee

I bet he doesn't smoke marijuana, take trips on LSD, burn draft cards or make a party out of lovin.

Yeah, but he thinks white lightnin's still the biggest thrill of all.

And honestly, do we really want drunks in Congress?

/Of course, get rid of the drunks, and you could probably put Congress in a phone booth.

A Rudy/McCain (or McCain/Rudy) nomination for the White House would be the best thing for the Republican Party, for many reasons

A) It would probably lead to the much-needed conflict between actual conservatives versus the social conservative, liberal spenders of the evangelical persuasion

B) They'd actually stand a decent chance to beat Hillary

C) I'm fairly sure that their administration wouldn't nearly be as bad as most of the candidates that are trying to get the nomination (whether they are Dems or Reps)

Tatsuma: A Rudy/McCain (or McCain/Rudy) nomination for the White House would be the best thing for the Republican Party, for many reasons

A) It would probably lead to the much-needed conflict between actual conservatives versus the social conservative, liberal spenders of the evangelical persuasion

B) They'd actually stand a decent chance to beat Hillary

C) I'm fairly sure that their administration wouldn't nearly be as bad as most of the candidates that are trying to get the nomination (whether they are Dems or Reps)

I'm sure McCain would be thrilled with 9/11's stance on torture.

Coburn is a Liberal:
Exporting Democracy to Iraq == a idealistic Big Government Spending Program

Quackburn makes Ron Paul look borderline normal.

Control_this: Coburn is a Liberal: Warmonger
Exporting Democracy to Iraq == a idealistic Big Government Spending Program Imperialist Swine

/fify

With Coburn's endorsement, McCain is In Like Flint.

Tatsuma Rudy

Is a national joke, as he should be! He's hard pressed to beat Ron Paul. McCain would be a FOOL to have anything to do with 9/11.

Rudy campaigns on the back of a national tradgedy that he actually made worse. He put the command and control center INSIDE the WTC, even though it was a terrorist target and he had been warned not to. He's actions led to the death and/or disease of untold firefighters, and he showed he was more interested in retrieving gold than the bodies of the dead.

All of that? I could forgive all of that, if he hadn't tried to push the elections off. F'ng with an election to stay in power, in this country, should earn you a quick trip against the wall*.

*metaphorical. Please don't send Keirk to my house.

Tatsuma: A Rudy/McCain (or McCain/Rudy) nomination for the White House would be the best thing for the Republican Party

Sure, if you want to lose the South who are already holding their noses at McCain.

Diogenes: With Coburn's endorsement, McCain is In Like Flint.

I see what you did there.

/golfclap

But, but, McCain's not a conservative!

He doesn't support executing illegals!

Amnesty! AMNESTY!!!

He co-authored bills with TED KENNEDY and RUSS FEINGOLD!!

/Generally ashamed of my fellow right-of-center folks lately.

//Since when did we become the ones who were against giving generally hard-working, family-oriented, traditional-values-following people an opportunity?

///Reagan approved flat-out amnesty for illegals, and called it amnesty. Boy, does that fark up the right-wing talk radio narrative.

My ideal ticket, Paul/Rudy. Hey why not?

Saiga410: My ideal ticket, Paul/Rudy. Hey why not?

Oh, there are many, many reasons why not.

//Since when did we become the ones who were against giving generally hard-working, family-oriented, traditional-values-following people an opportunity?

Since for farking ever dude. The Right wing has ALWAYS been the wing agianst that, no matter what party name they were using.

McCain would be easy to beat in the General Election. Just get that picture of him hugging Bush out there, and it's over.

I used to respect Tatsuma, but the more and more he endorses a scumbag like Giuliani the more and more I start to think that he's lost it. Giuliani has done nothing good for NY (No, the Crime rate decrease started before he came into office), and has done many, many terrible things against it (What what_now said, plus violating the first amendment repeatedly, the pedophile priest business, etc etc). By blindly endorsing him it only makes me think that you talk out of your ass instead of actually doing research.

So a senator decided to endorse a presidential candidate after it's almost guaranteed that he's going to win the nomination? Way to go, Sen. (Rooster) Co(g)burn.

I thought Barry Goldwater died.

Fart_Machine: Tatsuma: A Rudy/McCain (or McCain/Rudy) nomination for the White House would be the best thing for the Republican Party

Sure, if you want to lose the South who are already holding their noses at McCain.

My thoughts exactly. McCain/Thompson would carry NE & South

I thought Chuck Hagel retired.

Rethorn: I used to respect Tatsuma, but the more and more he endorses a scumbag like Giuliani the more and more I start to think that he's lost it. Giuliani has done nothing good for NY (No, the Crime rate decrease started before he came into office), and has done many, many terrible things against it (What what_now said, plus violating the first amendment repeatedly, the pedophile priest business, etc etc). By blindly endorsing him it only makes me think that you talk out of your ass instead of actually doing research.

Ask yourself one question: where does Guiliani stand in regards to Israel and their lobby here in the US?

C) I'm fairly sure that their administration wouldn't nearly be as bad as most of the candidates that are trying to get the nomination (whether they are Dems or Reps)

You honestly must no nothing about Rudy if you think his would be a good administration.

I promise it would be a disaster of historic proportions. He is like Nixon, except bat shiat crazy.

McCain is the default 'safe' choice for conservatives. He doesn't build enthusiasm in the slightest - he'll be the Al Gore of 2008 unless he runs against Hillary.

My thoughts exactly. McCain/Thompson would carry NE & South


People on both sides always say this shiat (about the VP), but is there really any evidence that it helps?

I have a hard time believing tons of southeners would wouldn't vote for McCain normally WOULD if Thompson was on the ticket.

Shaggy_C Quote 2008-01-17 07:25:04 PM
McCain is the default 'safe' choice for conservatives. He doesn't build enthusiasm in the slightest - he'll be the Al Gore of 2008 unless he runs against Hillary.


Even worse than Al Gore though because McCain spent most of his career pissing off the religious right and the hardcore REpublicans and then spent this campaign pandering those groups (and thus pissing off the moderates and indies who had supported him)

Fart_Machine
Tatsuma: A Rudy/McCain (or McCain/Rudy) nomination for the White House would be the best thing for the Republican Party

Sure, if you want to lose the South who are already holding their noses at McCain.

God forbid someone puts the fundies back in their place, that being nowhere near where national policy is made. Sure, the Republicans might lose a few elections without their support, but all the people who have been driven away from the Republican party by its shift toward Christian fundamentalism would eventually drift back.

I mean, really. As it currently stands, the Republican party represents three groups - Christian fundamentalists, millionaires, and vicious, angry freeper types. Together, these groups represent nowhere near 50% of the population. The only reasons the party is nationally competitive at all is because it hasn't completely driven away the moderates it used to represent, and because some people who are out-of-touch with politics will inevitably be duped in to voting Republican (See Fox News). Neither of these two reasons is sustainable. The Republican party needs to take its medicine and get rid of the fundamentalists, or it's just going to get more and more marginal over time.

Bill Frist: My thoughts exactly. McCain/Thompson would carry NE & South


People on both sides always say this shiat (about the VP), but is there really any evidence that it helps?

I have a hard time believing tons of southeners would wouldn't vote for McCain normally WOULD if Thompson was on the ticket.

Lesssee...if it's THAT combo versus anything the Dems can field, it'll allow Southern & Western Republicans to hold their nose while they vote for McCain. Independents & undecideds can still choose McCain, knowing Thompson's just the Veep.

Bill Frist: Even worse than Al Gore though because McCain spent most of his career pissing off the religious right and the hardcore REpublicans and then spent this campaign pandering those groups (and thus pissing off the moderates and indies who had supported him)

Well, the parallels are interesting - Gore pissed off the 'angry left' because he distanced himself from Clinton, but pissed off the moderates because he was too closely associated with Clinton. He was screwed in the exact same way, though not by his own actions as much. McCain is just a two-face.

McCain's Achilles' heel amongst Republicans will be immigration. He's got to loudly and clearly distance himself from the attempted amnesty to regain respect.

Tatsuma: A Rudy/McCain (or McCain/Rudy) nomination for the White House would be the best thing for the Republican Party, for many reasons

A) It would probably lead to the much-needed conflict between actual conservatives versus the social conservative, liberal spenders of the evangelical persuasion

B) They'd actually stand a decent chance to beat Hillary

C) I'm fairly sure that their administration wouldn't nearly be as bad as most of the candidates that are trying to get the nomination (whether they are Dems or Reps)

Whudy? No one will vote for Rudy, maybe 911 people.

Tatsuma: A Rudy/McCain (or McCain/Rudy) nomination for the White House would be the best thing for the Republican Party, for many reasons

So why are you voting and calling yourself "Libertarian"?

Lionel Mandrake: I thought Barry Goldwater died.

He did, and his son endorses Ron Paul.

Coburn said, "It's not about being aligned with him 100 percent of the time. It's about whether he's going to act on the courage insanity of his convictions."

FTFTA

Tatsuma: A Rudy/McCain (or McCain/Rudy) nomination for the White House would be the best thing for the Republican Party, for many reasons

A) It would probably lead to the much-needed conflict between actual conservatives versus the social conservative, liberal spenders of the evangelical persuasion

B) They'd actually stand a decent chance to beat Hillary

C) I'm fairly sure that their administration wouldn't nearly be as bad as most of the candidates that are trying to get the nomination (whether they are Dems or Reps)

Ah, our resident self-professed "libertarian" who happens to support probably the most anti-libertarian Republican in the field is here. Good to have ya back, Tats. The threads just weren't the same. Vote 9/11, or the 9/11 terrorists 9/11 will 9/11 destroy 9/11 America.

I said it would be the best thing for the REPUBLICAN PARTY, not for me, you drooling retards.

And yes, maybe Fred and McCain would have a better chance to win the South, but who cares? I want the much-needed conflict between social and actual conservatives, I don't want them to patch things up.

El_Dan: I mean, really. As it currently stands, the Republican party represents three groups - Christian fundamentalists, millionaires, and vicious, angry freeper types.

But mainly anybody who remembers the Carter administration.

Tatsuma: I said it would be the best thing for the REPUBLICAN PARTY, not for me, you drooling retards.

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I hope Clinton gets the democratic nomination and McCain gets the republican one. Then McCain can ask Obama to be his running mate and I can watch everyone's head explode.

Tatsuma: I said it would be the best thing for the REPUBLICAN PARTY, not for me, you drooling retards.

Jewn'd.

Tatsuma: I said it would be the best thing for the REPUBLICAN PARTY, not for me, you drooling retards.

And yes, maybe Fred and McCain would have a better chance to win the South, but who cares? I want the much-needed conflict between social and actual conservatives, I don't want them to patch things up.

So your idea as the best thing for the Republican Party is for them to lose the election?

Eh, you might be right there. Losing the fundie block would take a weight off their shoulders.

Bill Frist: (Rudy) is like Nixon, except bat shiat crazy.

I entirely agree with you that Rudy would be teh worst president ever.
And generally I agree with your posts.
However, Gulliani isn't 1/100th of the statesman Nixon was.

Nixon went to China, pulled out of Vietnam, his administration helped negotiate the cease-fire in the Yon Kippur War, approved the development of the NASA shuttle project, and helped racial school integration.

Rudy sent poor people to North Jersey.



and Tat- a pro-choice/soft on guns Republican = zero base turn out = Dem win. I don't see how that's good for the Republican party.

/In retrospect, "Nixon's Biggest Fan" would have been a much better name than "Factory Refurbished..." damnit.

Fart_Machine: So your idea as the best thing for the Republican Party is for them to lose the election?

Eh, you might be right there. Losing the fundie block would take a weight off their shoulders.

When fundies lose, Americans win.

I wouldn't describe Coburn as 'conservative.' More like batshiat insane.

coburn?

You interupted this program fer THAT?!