They have Hillary Clinton at -1600 odds to win Michigan (you would have to bet $1600 to get a $1 plus your initial $1600 back if she wins).

I stopped reading here. First, -xxx means "bet $xxx to get $100 back". Second, odds are set by gambling sites based more on where they feel people will bet, not the expected outcome. Essentially, they want to more than break even on any bet. They don't care, or try to predict, who will win. They instead predict who will bet on something at a specific amount.

Obama's not on the ballot in Michigan.

7of7: Obama's not on the ballot in Michigan.

Yes he is.

Out of curiosity, why wouldn't he be?

thamike: 7of7: Obama's not on the ballot in Michigan.

Yes he is.

As it turns out, Michigan's Democratic primary is pretty much a bust because the national Democrats have stripped Michigan of its delegates as punishment for moving the primary date without consent. Moreover, John Edwards and Barack Obama pulled their names from the Michigan ballot.

http://www.mlive.com/elections/index.ssf/2008/01/early_primary_creates_hassle.ht ml

Just because he's polling support doesn't mean he's on the ballot

KyngNothing: Just because he's polling support doesn't mean he's on the ballot

This. Trust me. They're telling us to vote uncommitted if we support Edwards or Obama.

Oh wow. You're right. How unfortunate. I looked at the sample ballot and Edwards is still on it, though. It would be quite funny if he beat Clinton in MI.

St00pidN00b: I stopped reading here.

HA, I did the exact same thing. I read that and said "welp, this article is worthless"

There has to be value in Obama +750, right?

What are the odds of Hillary declaring victory in Michigan, regardless of the outcome?

Yes. In Michigan, if you vote Obama, your vote will not be counted. However, if you vote uncommitted, as 7of7 said, that will be counted. Non-Clinton supporters are being urged to vote uncommitted so we can watch the hilarity that ensues when Clinton loses to 'uncommitted'.

Echoic: Yes. In Michigan, if you vote Obama, your vote will not be counted. However, if you vote uncommitted, as 7of7 said, that will be counted. Non-Clinton supporters are being urged to vote uncommitted so we can watch the hilarity that ensues when Clinton loses to 'uncommitted'.

Yeah, the only bad thing about voting "uncommitted" is that those delegates then get to vote for whoever they want at the convention, i believe....including Hillary.

cheshirecatsmileyface: Yeah, the only bad thing about voting "uncommitted" is that those delegates then get to vote for whoever they want at the convention, i believe....including Hillary.

I was under the impression that there were no delegates for Dems in Michigan, but I could be wrong.

Echoic: cheshirecatsmileyface: Yeah, the only bad thing about voting "uncommitted" is that those delegates then get to vote for whoever they want at the convention, i believe....including Hillary.

I was under the impression that there were no delegates for Dems in Michigan, but I could be wrong.

The MI Dems website has a PDF "voter guide" and that's what it says--that those delegates can vote for any candidate they choose...so I don't know.

The winner of zero delegates. Whooohooo good for her.

cheshirecatsmileyface: Echoic: cheshirecatsmileyface: Yeah, the only bad thing about voting "uncommitted" is that those delegates then get to vote for whoever they want at the convention, i believe....including Hillary.

I was under the impression that there were no delegates for Dems in Michigan, but I could be wrong.

The MI Dems website has a PDF "voter guide" and that's what it says--that those delegates can vote for any candidate they choose...so I don't know.

From what I understand, Michigan Dems still think they have a chance to convince the national party to seat the delegates at the convention. Hence, the best way to make sure that it's not just handing delegates to Hillary if that does happen and the delegates are seated is to do the "Uncommitted" vote.

rynthetyn: cheshirecatsmileyface: Echoic: cheshirecatsmileyface: Yeah, the only bad thing about voting "uncommitted" is that those delegates then get to vote for whoever they want at the convention, i believe....including Hillary.

I was under the impression that there were no delegates for Dems in Michigan, but I could be wrong.

The MI Dems website has a PDF "voter guide" and that's what it says--that those delegates can vote for any candidate they choose...so I don't know.

My prediction is Michigan will get delegates but only after the national candidate gets decided and it is agreed they will vote for him/her. Once the other candidates release their delegates it doesn't really matter if MI gets to support that candidate too.

From what I understand, Michigan Dems still think they have a chance to convince the national party to seat the delegates at the convention. Hence, the best way to make sure that it's not just handing delegates to Hillary if that does happen and the delegates are seated is to do the "Uncommitted" vote.

if you want a real site that uses a gambling like stock market, then look no farther than the DARPA designed, www.Intrade.com (new window)

a branch off of www.tradesports.com (new window)

they have correctly called 99% of elections correctly in the last 8 years.

B. Hussein Obama doesnt have any experience (sorry, running for president isnt enough experience to BE president).
Hillary is the only chance the Dems have whatsoever.
The south will NOT vote for a colored person in a million years, racism is just that deep down there.
Hillary will get at least half of the country to vote just because she is female and women will vote for their own kind.
B. Hussein Obama has already refused to recite the pledge, and refused to wear a flag pin when being patriotic is something that is expected of anyone running for this countries top job.
/running B. Hussein Obama is political suicide for the dems.
//Hillary has experience and can win the female vote (half the country, remember?)
///35 years of experience vs. hung out with some muslims when i was a pot smoking delinquent?
////slashies stand a better chance than B. Hussein Obama

hillary4real: ////slashies stand a better chance than B. Hussein Obama

www.usvetdsp.com

The honorable Elijah Mohammed?

hillary4real

Take your concern trolling ass back to the GOP.

Recall all Repuglikkkans: and hillary4real:



At first glance you are pro-Clinton trolls.

But I'd say your loyalties clearly lie with the republican party. Kudos, your little posts serve to undermine both Obama (by spreading horrible lies) and also Clinton (by associating her name with your repugnance).

Unfortunately for you, Farkers are aware of the game. Go spend your energies where they will be more successful, like CNN.

hillary4real

Please keep posting that in every thread. I'd like to see you banned ASAP.

If Hillary or her campaign ever mention Michigan as a win for her that's essentially the last straw for me when it comes to any chance of voting for her if she gets the nomination.

REALLY, submitter? You think Hillary Clinton can win Michigan when she's running unopposed? That's a pretty tall order. Nobody who's run unopposed has EVER won an election.

Ahhhhh nothing like the ignore function hillary4real

hetheeme: if you want a real site that uses a gambling like stock market, then look no farther than the DARPA designed, www.Intrade.com (new window)

a branch off of www.tradesports.com (new window)

they have correctly called 99% of elections correctly in the last 8 years.

Prediction markets aren't anything more than aggregated current conventional wisdom. They don't predict.

BravadoGT: What are the odds of Hillary declaring victory in Michigan, regardless of the outcome?

Thats a foregone conclusion. Only candidate that can defeat her is Obama and he is not the ballot.

hillary4real: Hillary is the only chance the Dems have whatsoever.

Eight years squabbling as a senator hardly makes her Yoda.

Recall all Repuglikkkans: but Hillary won NH because there are some people who actually do believe that long political experience

What experience? 8 years in the senate? being married to the president? Should we elect Laura Bush next?

Also, Obama has served 4 years in the Senate not two as you state in your next post. Plus, I value state senate experience above being married experience...I'm pretty sure my Mom couldn't do my Dad's job just by virtue of being married to him and vice versa.

Recall all Repuglikkkans: Better than two years and a bunch in a state senate

Well, issue A may be that you don't know what you're talking about.

I thought this was a joke.

Recall all Repuglikkkans: I can't of a Republican woman who honestly has any real political experience like Hillary has.

Elizabeth Dole? Granted, she's old.
Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe have both been in the Senate longer (and are two of the only Republican senators I actually like, voting by principle rather than party)

That was just off the top of my head. I'm sure research could find plenty.

Whatsleft: I thought this was a joke.

the recall all republikkans/hellbent troll or the linked website?

Recall all Repuglikkkans: He hasn't been really tested and frankly hasn't gone through the political work that Hillary has gone through.

How has Hilary been tested as anything other than a loyal wife?

Recall all Repuglikkkans: Frankly, I'd love it if Obama manages to pull over 1-2% victories in every state, getting all the damn momentum, and then gets trounced at the convention by all the Hillary super delegates. That is where experience matters. The look on everyone's face when Obama has to choke his words and compliment Hillary will be just priceless.

There's a difference between "experience" and "connections." The ability to piggyback on your spouse's achievements does not equate to "experience." The fact is that Obama has won more elections than Hillary Clinton has, and hers haven't been any more contested than his have been. I don't see how disrespecting the wishes of the voters of this country is "priceless."

attackingpencil:

Recall all Repuglikkkans: I can't of a Republican woman who honestly has any real political experience like Hillary has.

Elizabeth Dole? Granted, she's old.
Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe have both been in the Senate longer (and are two of the only Republican senators I actually like, voting by principle rather than party)

That was just off the top of my head. I'm sure research could find plenty.

Kay Bailey Hutchinson of TX has often been mentioned as a VP candidate and has been in the Senate longer than Hillary Clinton. (if I remember correctly)

Recall all Repuglikkkans: Frankly, I'd love it if Obama manages to pull over 1-2% victories in every state, getting all the damn momentum, and then gets trounced at the convention by all the Hillary super delegates. That is where experience matters. The look on everyone's face when Obama has to choke his words and compliment Hillary will be just priceless.

If Obama were to win the votes and voice of the American people and the Democratic Party nominated someone else, it would be devastating to the party. I don't even know what would happen.

DamnYankees: If Obama were to win the votes and voice of the American people and the Democratic Party nominated someone else, it would be devastating to the party. I don't even know what would happen.

I wouldn't worry too much. As long as Edwards remains in the race and gets above 15% in most states, Obama is a farking lock.

Neeek: DamnYankees: If Obama were to win the votes and voice of the American people and the Democratic Party nominated someone else, it would be devastating to the party. I don't even know what would happen.

I wouldn't worry too much. As long as Edwards remains in the race and gets above 15% in most states, Obama is a farking lock.

That's interesting, are you saying that Edwards is leaching Hillary votes? I figure most of Edwards support to line up behind Obama.

hillary4real: B. Hussein Obama doesnt have any experience (sorry, running for president isnt enough experience to BE president).
Hillary is the only chance the Dems have whatsoever.
The south will NOT vote for a colored person in a million years, racism is just that deep down there.
Hillary will get at least half of the country to vote just because she is female and women will vote for their own kind.
B. Hussein Obama has already refused to recite the pledge, and refused to wear a flag pin when being patriotic is something that is expected of anyone running for this countries top job.
/running B. Hussein Obama is political suicide for the dems.
//Hillary has experience and can win the female vote (half the country, remember?)
///35 years of experience vs. hung out with some muslims when i was a pot smoking delinquent?
////slashies stand a better chance than B. Hussein Obama

This is the exact same joke post from another thread. Maybe this poster ISN'T trying to be funny.

moriarty23: Neeek: DamnYankees: If Obama were to win the votes and voice of the American people and the Democratic Party nominated someone else, it would be devastating to the party. I don't even know what would happen.

I wouldn't worry too much. As long as Edwards remains in the race and gets above 15% in most states, Obama is a farking lock.

That's interesting, are you saying that Edwards is leaching Hillary votes? I figure most of Edwards support to line up behind Obama.

it's hard to say. Where Hillary really scored in NH was with dems who claimed they weren't doing well economically. This is exactly the voters that Edwards's message is targeted to.

/of course having the anti-Hillary people on one side would be nice too, and many of them are with Edwards for whatever reason.

moriarty23: That's interesting, are you saying that Edwards is leaching Hillary votes? I figure most of Edwards support to line up behind Obama.

It doesn't matter. Edwards, come convention time, will back Obama over Hillary. So any votes at all that Edwards takes from Hillary are a benefit, and ones taken from Obama are irrelevant. Because of the way the delegate system works, Hillary will have to beat Obama + Edwards. At the rate they are going, she doesn't stand a chance.

Neeek:
It doesn't matter. Edwards, come convention time, will back Obama over Hillary. So any votes at all that Edwards takes from Hillary are a benefit, and ones taken from Obama are irrelevant. Because of the way the delegate system works, Hillary will have to beat Obama + Edwards. At the rate they are going, she doesn't stand a chance.

This is something I've actually wondered about, if Edwards drops out and throws his support behind Obama, do the delegates go to him, or are they divided up somehow?

Something_Creative: attackingpencil:

Recall all Repuglikkkans: I can't of a Republican woman who honestly has any real political experience like Hillary has.

Elizabeth Dole? Granted, she's old.
Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe have both been in the Senate longer (and are two of the only Republican senators I actually like, voting by principle rather than party)

That was just off the top of my head. I'm sure research could find plenty.

Kay Bailey Hutchinson of TX has often been mentioned as a VP candidate and has been in the Senate longer than Hillary Clinton. (if I remember correctly)

almost ten years more, and a WHOLE lot more in actual politics, rather than just sleeping her way to the top.

but Hillary won NH because there are some people who actually do believe that long political experience (and people do forget that Bill has plenty of experience as well) is important.

8 years in the senate and 8 years as a president's wife do NOT add up to "long political experience"

Not to mmention that PLENTY of great presidents were elected with little experience.

Frankly, I don't know who Obama is going to pick, and the idea that he's going to be "bipartisan" means that he'll try to pick some Republicans to make friends, which is NOT what this country needs right now. Eight years of Republican policies have utterly destroyed this nation (hell, I can point back further if need be), and we need to get this nation back to where it was a decade ago before we really get going. I find it sad how far back we need to get before we can even think about going forward.

You rave about how we will go back to the days of Clinton and all his advisors then claim we need to go forward.

Backwards aint forward.

More to the point, Clinton is a right-wing Democrat, probably even more so than Bill, and is much more likely to appoint people who will continue Republican policies than Obama is.

Recall all Repuglikkkans: Frankly, I'd love it if Obama manages to pull over 1-2% victories in every state, getting all the damn momentum, and then gets trounced at the convention by all the Hillary super delegates. That is where experience matters. The look on everyone's face when Obama has to choke his words and compliment Hillary will be just priceless.

0/0- same post as in this thread earlier today.

The only worse thing than a troll is an uncreative one.

Bill Frist: 8 years in the senate and 8 years as a president's wife do NOT add up to "long political experience"

Definitely doesn't equal 35 years.

stinieroo Quote 2008-01-13 11:12:43 PM
Bill Frist: 8 years in the senate and 8 years as a president's wife do NOT add up to "long political experience"

Definitely doesn't equal 35 years.


Not to mention anyone who gushes over experience isn't gonna care about Clinton when she faces someone with REAL experience like McCain in the election.

moriarty23: This is something I've actually wondered about, if Edwards drops out and throws his support behind Obama, do the delegates go to him, or are they divided up somehow?

Neither. The delegate may choose whoever they want to, as individuals. However, Edwards gets to choose his own delegates, so...