But where will I winter?

/When the snow falls I've been found in St. Mortiz...

What happened to Global Cooling?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,320431,00.html

But the western US is getting the most snow in years. Take that, europe.

tenhigh: Take that, europe.

We are having the most snow we've had for ten years.

The trees in my yard are budding already. Normally DFW is coldest in February. It's been an odd winter indeed....

Heck, I feel bad for Michigan skiing. We had an awesome November and December, but January saw 60 degree weather in most parts of southern Michigan and an almost total melt around the state. I enjoy the easier driving, but I would rather see the businesses doing well.

Goldeneye007: What happened to Global Cooling?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,320431,00.html

Can't win because global warming can cause everything! Even nothing!
There I said it. The first global warming comment.

Oh, joy! A global warming debate thread!

May I start? Gore's movie is full of crap. Serially.

Swizterland? You have about as much credibility as Faux News, subby!

Even if global warming/cooling/climate change turns out to be complete crap, can we still institute higher emission and pollution standards? I, for one, am willing to take a hit to my finances in order to implement more pollution controls.

/Likes to breathe

Glasgowsfinest: We are having the most snow we've had for ten years.

This year and last were the first two seasons in a decade I couldn't make it out to Wyoming or western Colorado. God I hate living east of the Mississippi.

all the snow went to bagdhad...
/global warming

I love hearing about global warming. I keep hoping my property in MT will be beach front with a 60-70deg yearly average some day. :D

discount sushi: This year and last were the first two seasons in a decade I couldn't make it out to Wyoming or western Colorado. God I hate living east of the Mississippi.

This has been the first year in a long time where I have been able to go boarding twice in a week. Blue skies too. Weird.

....Al Gore busy water-skiing


"We have to stop for more gas."

Lifereaper0: Even if global warming/cooling/climate change turns out to be complete crap, can we still institute higher emission and pollution standards?

Unlikely. I agree in principle, but it's cost prohibitive and wouldn't drastically improve air quality. Breathe deeper to get your precious oxygen, you sniveling carbon-based life form.

/think I'm getting the hang of this...

Glasgowsfinest: This has been the first year in a long time where I have been able to go boarding twice in a week. Blue skies too. Weird.

That's way awesome. If people I know don't get married in '09 I should be able make it next season.

I had just gotten new bindings too before my boarding drought.

I just love that when some place is hot in winter, it's proof positive of global warming, but when a place is really cold, it's because global warming doesn't mean things get hotter every where.

Al Gore's scientific advisors:

Chicken Little
Henny Penny
Cocky Locky
Ducky Lucky
Goosey Loosey
Turkey Lurkey
Holey Moley
Foxy Loxy

/get over yourselves people

Goldeneye007: What happened to Global Cooling?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,320431,00.html

Wow, that one Russian scientist must be absolutely correct! How great it is when media folk find a single scientist about whom to write. Clearly, this nullifies the hundreds of studies and hundreds of other scientists that conclude the opposite. Whew -- glad we got that settled.

But, let this be known -- it is in the best interests of this science to have dissenters! If everyone agreed on the issue(s), there would be no reason for rigorous scientific exploration! Dissension and doubt are good for science, but only if accurately conveyed and reported.

/ Meteorologist
// No, the warm isn't going to burst into flame in 2 yrs
/// But that doesn't mean we aren't warming
//// And that doesn't mean humans are not affecting global climate to some degree

I'm off to Zell Am See on the 26th! Woot!

Lifereaper0: Even if global warming/cooling/climate change turns out to be complete crap, can we still institute higher emission and pollution standards? I, for one, am willing to take a hit to my finances in order to implement more pollution controls.

/Likes to breathe

yeah... same here.

Should I exchange my Swiss Army knife for a Swiss Navy knife?

Barakku: I just love that when some place is hot in winter, it's proof positive of global warming, but when a place is really cold, it's because global warming doesn't mean things get hotter every where.



though just because something is not obviously true doesn't mean it doesn't have some truth to it. you'd do well to think about global warming critically, but dismissing it outright is no better than accepting it outright.

Lifereaper0: Even if global warming/cooling/climate change turns out to be complete crap, can we still institute higher emission and pollution standards?

Yes. But don't dictate to me that I must give money to RandomThirdWorldCountry for 'carbon offsets' or some sort of false treaty crap.
Just reduce your personal footprint.

Personal = whatever stuff you have control over. Your house, your company, your country.

btw the ric pic was for you not the text below it

FTA:The situation has eased this winter, with early falls and lower temperatures meaning many ski stations were able to open in November, much earlier than last year.

So the warmer winter was last year, and this year it's colder?

zz9: So the warmer winter was last year, and this year it's colder?

So obviously the climate will only get cooler!

Oh wait, nevermind.

Wow, that one Russian scientist must be absolutely correct!

...and the four HUNDRED other scientists. You know, some of whom actually WORKED on the IPCC report...

That's from the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee report, the "minority report" on the subject that Al Gore is all pissed about.

Gore thinks hyperbole is justifiable:

Q: There's a lot of debate right now over the best way to communicate about global warming and get people motivated. Do you scare people or give them hope? What's the right mix?

A: I think the answer to that depends on where your audience's head is. In the United States of America, unfortunately we still live in a bubble of unreality. And the Category 5 denial is an enormous obstacle to any discussion of solutions. Nobody is interested in solutions if they don't think there's a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis.

So, yeah, the sea level will rise 20 feet, and not 20 inches, because how else can I get rich selling "carbon offsets"?

Gore pisses me off. Serially. And I voted for him...

i've just had a wicked day of free-riding at Engelberg (central switzerland). Minus, perhaps, the nasty 12ft plunge onto my head off a glacier (sore neck only, i = the lucky guy today). Sure the temps are a bit up but there's snow-a-plenty if you go high enough. Now where did I put my third hummer?

/kiddin
//currently sitting on a train
///an electric super-efficient environment-loving SWISS train

burndtdan: Barakku: I just love that when some place is hot in winter, it's proof positive of global warming, but when a place is really cold, it's because global warming doesn't mean things get hotter every where.



though just because something is not obviously true doesn't mean it doesn't have some truth to it. you'd do well to think about global warming critically, but dismissing it outright is no better than accepting it outright.

I believe in GW, but I love the excuses people make; you'd think global warming had the effect of simply causing all-out hell for everything on the planet, but had nothing to do with warming it up.

Global warming can be real even if every place doesn't get warmer all the time, and yes, it still involves heat.

/Anybody made a "I want to believe" poster with a globe/Al Gore head yet?

doesnt matter what the weather is doing... we cant control it. So either bundle up or strip down as needed. Then, stfu about the weather.

Why should I worry about something that is out of my control? Seriously, I do not get it. I think I will enjoy my life and keep moving forward. Do not worry, be happy!!

I live in a major resort town in the German Alps and this is the second season where there has been little reliable snow and high temperatures. The seven seasons before that the snow was off the charts.

Whether it's the dreaded global warming or just statistical variation as part of the climate, I can't say. What I do know is that if it's the former, the 2011 Alpine World Championships are going to look pretty shabby. If it's the latter, then I chose a bad two years to ski Germany.

/I don't know which is worse.

hoohoodilly: Oh, joy! A global warming debate thread!

May I start? Gore's movie is full of crap. Serially.

you're a douchenozzle, hardcore
from wikipedia:

The Science and Public Policy Institute (SPPI), formerly the Center for Science and Public Policy for the Frontiers of Freedom [1], is a conservative think tank founded by former Republican senator Malcolm Wallop[2].

xaphod: i've just had a wicked day of free-riding at Engelberg (central switzerland). Minus, perhaps, the nasty 12ft plunge onto my head off a glacier (sore neck only, i = the lucky guy today). Sure the temps are a bit up but there's snow-a-plenty if you go high enough. Now where did I put my third hummer?

/kiddin
//currently sitting on a train
///an electric super-efficient environment-loving SWISS train



Aww man, how sweet that would be. Unfortunately, neither time nor money :( (Which explains why I can't afford TF, too)

hoohoodilly: Oh, joy! A global warming debate thread!
May I start? Gore's movie is full of crap. Serially.


This is from the Science and Public Policy Institute, founded by a group of former GOP congressmen and funded almost entirely by donations Exxon.

Seriously, would it kill you to do a little research? There is NO independent scientific controversy on the reality of climate change. Show me a credentialed scientist who says there is, and I will show you A) a money trail, or B) a partisan diploma mill like liberty university that exists only to cancel out REAL academic consensus.

nobozo: Should I exchange my Swiss Army knife for a Swiss Navy knife?

Hey, we do have 10 Boats :)

udhq: hoohoodilly: Oh, joy! A global warming debate thread!
May I start? Gore's movie is full of crap. Serially.


This is from the Science and Public Policy Institute, founded by a group of former GOP congressmen and funded almost entirely by donations Exxon.

Seriously, would it kill you to do a little research? There is NO independent scientific controversy on the reality of climate change. Show me a credentialed scientist who says there is, and I will show you A) a money trail, or B) a partisan diploma mill like liberty university that exists only to cancel out REAL academic consensus.

Because there's no paper trail on the other side of the GW debate...

/I read your last paragraph first, and seriously thought you were refering to the "pro"(?) GW side.

marcand: Heck, I feel bad for Michigan skiing. We had an awesome November and December, but January saw 60 degree weather in most parts of southern Michigan and an almost total melt around the state. I enjoy the easier driving, but I would rather see the businesses doing well.

It rained for two days and melted over a foot of snow, but the last couple of days it's been replaced. So there's plenty of snow in the U.P again.

Strange weather, indeed. I like the snow a lot better than the rain. In January.

udhq: This is from the Science and Public Policy Institute, founded by a group of former GOP congressmen and funded almost entirely by donations Exxon.

Interesting that you didn't refute any of the factual inaccuracies in the movie, but instead attacked the source.

Gore lied. Serially. Big time...

marcand: Heck, I feel bad for Michigan skiing. We had an awesome November and December, but January saw 60 degree weather in most parts of southern Michigan and an almost total melt around the state. I enjoy the easier driving, but I would rather see the businesses doing well.

Same here. I got my skis waxed last week and the ski rack for my trailblazer just came yesterday. Although we're getting a pretty heavy snow right now, so hopefully it piles up again.

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Yes. But don't dictate to me that I must give money to RandomThirdWorldCountry for 'carbon offsets' or some sort of false treaty crap.
Just reduce your personal footprint.

Personal = whatever stuff you have control over. Your house, your company, your country.

Won't work. Competitive Game Theory shows you'll immediately be overtaken by those who consume more. And they'll have 8 kids, making your lifelong efforts to get 30% better gas mpg and install CFL bulbs (thus reducing your "footprint" by 15% total) pretty insignificant. Same is true of nations. If the US were to triple the price of electricity or whatever to reduce carbon emissions, China will simply pick up all our remaining business and increase power consumption over there. But the US won't do that. We'd be the ones increasing our carbon usage if China limited their output. So, CGT says we will never cooperate like this and are all basically doomed anyways.

I haven't seen more than two inches in New York so far, and even that only lasted for a day at most. Which is a pretty big farking shame, because I was really hoping to photograph snow in central park. Unless we get hit by a blizzard within the next six weeks, I don't see that happening.

/Anecdotal and not scientific.
//Would rather see some statistics about global and regional trends over the last few years
///Would even more rather see some farking snow in Central Park.

One of my favorite things i have ever heard about global warming is:

"is our current climate really the best one?"

The earth IS getting warmer....but is that really a bad thing? Why is it bad? Other than

"ZOOMFG CHANGE!!"

Yeah some cities might get flooded or whatever, but really super large-scale....is global warming really a bad thing?

Barakku

Because there's no paper trail on the other side of the GW debate...

/I read your last paragraph first, and seriously thought you were refering to the "pro"(?) GW side.

Right.....Because its apparently the HIPPIES who stand to profit imensely by denying science, not the FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY.....

Blhack: One of my favorite things i have ever heard about global warming is:

"is our current climate really the best one?"

The earth IS getting warmer....but is that really a bad thing? Why is it bad? Other than

"ZOOMFG CHANGE!!"

Yeah some cities might get flooded or whatever, but really super large-scale....is global warming really a bad thing?

The procession of cognitive dissonance in global warming denial zealots has been surreal. In the last decade we've gone from...

1: Global warming is not happening!
2: Global warming is maybe happening, but no way is it our fault!
3: Global warming is happening and it's our fault, but it's not like it'll affect us adversely!
4: Global warming is happening, it's our fault, it'll affect us adversely, and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope!

Blhack: One of my favorite things i have ever heard about global warming is:

"is our current climate really the best one?"

The earth IS getting warmer....but is that really a bad thing? Why is it bad? Other than

"ZOOMFG CHANGE!!"

Yeah some cities might get flooded or whatever, but really super large-scale....is global warming really a bad thing?

Hehe, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but I like the line "Yeah some cities might get flooded or whatever." No biggie :)

udhq: Barakku

Because there's no paper trail on the other side of the GW debate...

/I read your last paragraph first, and seriously thought you were refering to the "pro"(?) GW side.

Right.....Because its apparently the HIPPIES who stand to profit imensely by denying science, not the FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY.....

All left wingers are total hippies that make no money. That's why they have private jets to take them to the oscars.