Harry C. Payne

/ouch
//not anymore

What could possibly be depressing about going from college president to principal of a high school for a bunch of rich kids?

Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?

FTFA: "and bloody tissue on the counter ..."

Erm ... WTF is that supposed to mean?

Then again, I prolly don't want to know ... but it's these moments that I wish I had no imagination.

/really very tragic for him and his family, though
//what a waste

Another tragic victim of SDT, or Sudden Deceleration Trauma.

I've tutored a number of students from Woodward. Good school.

My fiancee went to Woodward -- apparently this guy was a pretty nice dude.

/RIP, Mr. Payne

My son went to Woodward for the first few years of elementary school a few years ago, but we traded the tuition to move into a good public school district. As an institution, Woodward is on par in scale and scope with a moderately sized private university. Although Woodward suffers in my opinion as an oasis of privilege and narcissism, they do perform their central function well, which is to provide a really outstanding education to people born on third base. The few times I talked to him, Dr. Payne came across to me as a kind, thoughtful man. I was really saddened to see this news.

eqtworld: 1. suicide
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Your way to say to God "You can`t fire me! I quit!"

Georgie put the gun in her mouth and pressed the trigger

2. suicide
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People say suicide is selfish and cowardly. That's bullshiat. It's more selfish to expect someone to go through life feeling like shiat, just so you can keep them around because they make you happy or some shiat. It is not they're duty to keep you happy whilst they go through hell, you farking morons.

Someone decided their live was no longer living, so when they killed themselves, all the sensible people who loved them felt very sad, but realised that it would be selfish to expect them to go on living, just for their own pleasure.
by Oh shiat I'm Dead Jan 10, 2005

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Something which should always be the LAST item on your to-do list.

/urban dictionary

Nermero 2 is hardcore emo.

scamp-dun-emer: FTFA: "and bloody tissue on the counter ..."

Erm ... WTF is that supposed to mean?

Then again, I prolly don't want to know ... but it's these moments that I wish I had no imagination.

/really very tragic for him and his family, though
//what a waste

I've had bloody tissue before. Man, and I thought my doc was joking when he said that carpal tunnel was from too much fapping.

scamp-dun-emer: FTFA: "and bloody tissue on the counter ..."

Erm ... WTF is that supposed to mean?

we got called to a house where something like this happened... the guy tried to cut his wrists, but freaked out when he saw the blood... tried to clean up the mess... bloody towels in the sink and everything... poor wound up shooting himself...

before he did any of this, he sealed the house and turned the AC on full blast... he was there maybe a week before we got to him... cops were nice enough to make the call for us though...

Drawist: we got called to a house where something like this happened... the guy tried to cut his wrists, but freaked out when he saw the blood... tried to clean up the mess... bloody towels in the sink and everything... poor wound up shooting himself...

before he did any of this, he sealed the house and turned the AC on full blast... he was there maybe a week before we got to him... cops were nice enough to make the call for us though...

Of all the sad ways I could end up, this "desperate to [not] make an impression" is close to the top. I'm used to dealing with Ineverthoughtidwrapitaroundatree road trauma. It's ugly, but accidental. This deliberate stuff is beyond me. :{

That's why I think this stuff is the saddest.

It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop.

Payne came to Woodward in 2000 after resigning abruptly from elite Williams College in Massachusetts, where at the time he left he was the highest-paid college president in the country, with more than $878,000 in salary and benefits

This guy had to have been banging some of those little kids. They were able to sweep it under the rug the first time, but this time he knew it was going to come out. Give it a week and we will find out that when he jumped he was gagged, bound, wearing two wetsuits, and had an instrument of sin lodged deep in his anus.

/Excuse me, I have to be at the gym in 26 minutes.

And I just thought Woodward was for kids with learning disabilities and athletic talent...

/prestigious? wow.

There is a sex angle here. It almost always boils down to sex. What's the over/under that his former gay lovers will come forward any day now?

Bill Hicks: You know that when Jesse Helms finally dies, he's gonna commit suicide out back in a washtub underneath a pecan tree. He's gonna slash his wrists and he's gonna write in blood, "I've been a bad boy." And you know they're gonna find the skins of young kids drying in his attic, swarms of horseflies going in and out of the eaves, and on CNN over and over, his wife going, "I always wondered about Jesse's collection of little shoes ..."

The bigger they are, the harder they fall. Going from being the highest paid college president in the country to president of Woodward Academy is a step down. Big egos don't accept a step down very well.

For what it's worth, Woodward Academy used to be known as GMA - Georgia Military Academy,....a grade school Citadel for rich kids. The name was changed during the Viet Nam era when things "military" were looked down on by some.

In memory of the man, the school janitors are practicing "No Chin Left Behind."

Approves. Not counting the mezzanine.

Everyone knows that Pace is better than Woodward.

Here's my tinfoil-hat comment for the day:

Even if you're a happy and well-adjusted man by all appearances, all it would take is a few knives and typed notes to convince everyone that you killed yourself. Seems like a pretty easy way to commit a murder.

Or are there some investigative techniques that are completely glossed over? I'm just wondering how deep they delve after they have strong circumstantial evidence of suicide.

groak: My son went to Woodward for the first few years of elementary school a few years ago, but we traded the tuition to move into a good public school district.


Awesome choice. My sister is wrestling with the same situation with her son and my old school district. Even though it's in SC (derr hurrrr), the public school I went to has been nationally recognized, seniors get $5 mill and up in non-need based scholarships, we've got blue ribbons, the symphony orchestra regularly tours internationally (I got to go to Sydney), very few rich snobs, multicultured and free-thinking, etc. The closest private school in recent times has had drug problems, sex scandals, declining graduation rates, seven suicides, four arrests including a teacher, race card dealing, and your average kid who still sucks on mommy's tit when they're 15.

The stupid thing is that she thinks that paying for elementary education = better education and she wants him to go to private school. But judging how she isn't all that smart in the first place and her son's favorite activity is to shiat on the couch, it's better off if she locks him into private school.

barcaboy: Everyone knows that Pace is better than Woodward.

It's a 3-way tie with Lovett. Parents at those schools buy whatever their precious little snowflakes want.

Johnson said he got a short note that was typewritten and signed, .. it "reflected a deep depression."

High school girls can be so cruel.

Amateur.

Marist makes your Pace look like MLK.

I always wonder of all the people that commit suicide by jumping, how many of them change their mind halfway down? Of course, we don't have any statistical data to determine the answer to this question.

Yeah. I'm strange like that.

Regarding public v. private schools - I went to private school, my sister went to one of the top public schools in the area (according to SAT scores, AP tests taken / number of graduating seniors, and other metrics I can't remember).

The education I received was vastly superior. She's had countless teachers whose motivation or abilities were sorely lacking, a curriculum designed around passing asinine standardized tests, and an environment not conducive to education.

On the contrary, I was prepared exceedingly well for college. Of course, I was pampered and sheltered beyond belief in a whiter-than-white and richer-than-rich bubble, but that's no different to where I go to school now.

What am I trying to say? While public schools can indeed outperform private schools, the top private schools are absolutely better than even the most selective magnet schools.

And about Atlanta Buckhead schools: Westminster > Pace >>> Lovett. As a recent Pace grad, I'm disappointed with regards to the school's long-term planning. If I were to be 12 again at this point in time and blessed with the meager amount of hindsight I possess now, I'd bypass Pace and go to Paideia instead. The WASPy conservatism that Pace had managed to fend off for the most part during my time there is finally making inroads, and for that I'm saddened.

There's a special kind of suicide, the Stephen Covey Proactive Sucide: folks who are successful, smart, accomplished and Get Things Done. Every once in a while, they'll Run The Numbers and discover that the best decision is a deranged one: kill themselves. Google husband unexpected suicide.

Wow. I was at Williams for his last 3 years. Seemed like a good guy who just underestimated the backbiting that would result from doing things autonomously and got hustled out the door for being independent. But anyway, pretty sad.

groak 2008-01-13 09:09:34 AM
My son went to Woodward for the first few years of elementary school a few years ago, but we traded the tuition to move into a good public school district.

School scores continue to plumet along with expectations. Almost every parent you meet agrees with that. Yet when you ask them about their snow-flake's school you always get "But my spawn's school is the exception.

If you have your kid in public school, you A) don't love them B) don't care about their education (see "A").

OnlyM3: If you have your kid in public school, you A) don't love them B) don't care about their education (see "A").

In a big city, yes. For the rest of America, no.

Hey man, nice drop.

/lol @ ATL private school pissing contest. King of the ghetto and you're still ghetto.

Rann Xerox: I always wonder of all the people that commit suicide by jumping, how many of them change their mind halfway down? Of course, we don't have any statistical data to determine the answer to this question.

Well, a small portion do survive the fall, so they could be asked...


About depression... if you have it please get help because it can be cured or at least lessened. I had it once and until I experienced it, I had no idea people could feel that way. I always thought depression was some self-indulgent, self-pity state that one could snap out of if they really wanted to. I was so wrong. It's something out of your control. If you can control it, it's simply the blues. With real depression you don't even want to do the things you used to LOVE doing. I would think, "Hey let's go on the internet," and then think, "what's the point"? All you want to do is rest and hide. Everyday, while driving to work and alone, I would play sad songs to force myself to cry, just so I could feel a few minutes of relief.

It's pretty clear to me now that depression is your body trying to recover from whatever trauma it went through. I think eventually your body can pull itself out of the depression, possibly over years, and if those underlying problems are improving, but you don't have to wait. With drug treatment my major symptoms went away in 4 weeks, and I'd say 99% gone in 6 months. Not every case is the same, granted, but if you're feeling depressed and it's making your life hell, seek out treatment and give it a try.

I myself feel like him recently,
but then I don't have a million dollars and a family and a life worth living.

Too bad I couldn't trade with the bastard.
Forced to live mine he might reconsider the value of his own.

Sorry to hear that davynelson. Hope it gets better for you.

Barcaboy: here's something that public schools have that private schools don't. The real world. Most (but not all) of the kids I know that bought their way into private, usually religious schools, are really out of touch with reality. I've actually had this conversation:
"Why would anyone ever live in a trailer park or shop at Sack n Save?"
"Because they're poor."
"Oh."
The ones that get merit/need based scholarships are usually the exceptions.

OnlyM3: groak 2008-01-13 09:09:34 AM
My son went to Woodward for the first few years of elementary school a few years ago, but we traded the tuition to move into a good public school district.

School scores continue to plumet along with expectations. Almost every parent you meet agrees with that. Yet when you ask them about their snow-flake's school you always get "But my spawn's school is the exception.

If you have your kid in public school, you A) don't love them B) don't care about their education (see "A").

Wow, you drank the kool-aid, haven't you? Did you realize, before Public Schools were initiated, more half of the United Sates was illiterate? We are now at 96-98%.

Kids at public schools can be as well prepared for college as any private school kid. The quality of the Public School,however, lies in the hands of the parents and the local and state government. So the lower income the area is or the more apathetic the parents are, the worse the PS may be. (Many rural areas are just as good a private schools because of the parents.)

Arbitrator: "Here's my tinfoil-hat comment for the day:

Even if you're a happy and well-adjusted man by all appearances, all it would take is a few knives and typed notes to convince everyone that you killed yourself. Seems like a pretty easy way to commit a murder.

Or are there some investigative techniques that are completely glossed over? I'm just wondering how deep they delve after they have strong circumstantial evidence of suicide."

Let me guess.....you watch all three CSI's, right?

Knives/blood. So he may have cut himself up before jumping. Two ways, just to be sure. If you really want to be sure, you:
1) Take some poison.
2) Slit wrists.
3) Be in closed garage, car running.
4) Shoot yourself, while standing on a chair.
5) As body falls, your noose hangs you.
6) Just to be sure, you have wires on you, hooked up to high voltage, and a timer.

You mean room 8014 is just as dangerous?

Suicide is a cowardly act with very few exceptions
= permanant solution to temporary problems

TICK...gravity is a harsh mistress