glad subby didn't say liberals say liberals stole their votes, because Hillary ain't no liberal.

Hell yeah it was. INVESTIGATION!

Universal Healthcare

Tax Hikes sorry Roll backs

Affirmative Action


Nope no liberal there

When I hear him talk about this, and not even Ron Paul is complaining, I ask myself, is Dennis Kucinich really the only candidate with the combination of morals, respect for democracy as an ends to itself, and his own brain?

/always was a fan, but didn't plan to vote for him in the primary for lack of viability
//now has no other choice

deevo: When I hear him talk about this, and not even Ron Paul is complaining, I ask myself, is Dennis Kucinich really the only candidate with the combination of morals, respect for democracy as an ends to itself, and his own brain?

Might be.

deevo: When I hear him talk about this, and not even Ron Paul is complaining, I ask myself, is Dennis Kucinich really the only candidate with the combination of morals, respect for democracy as an ends to itself, and his own brain?

/always was a fan, but didn't plan to vote for him in the primary for lack of viability
//now has no other choice

what?

We should use paper trails or open-source voting machines, if only so that we can have elections without everyone arguing over the results.

birdboy2000: We should use paper trails or open-source voting machines

Yeah... but then it would take forever to get drivers for the machines.

rburp: birdboy2000: We should use paper trails or open-source voting machines

Yeah... but then it would take forever to get drivers for the machines.

Not if they're built out of widely-available commodity parts. A Fedora Core or Ubuntu install will work with damn near anything on the market.

/and right about now someone is going to post saying "ZOMG NO MY BEST FRIEND'S LAWYER'S POOL BOY'S SISTER COULDN'T FIND A DRIVER FOR THEIR BARBIE GIRL SOUND CARD"
//oh, and finding a windows driver for something is ALWAYS cake.

TFA: ...Senator Clinton's upset victory in New Hampshire...

39% to 37%.
9 delegates for Clinton, 9 delegates for Obama.
Not a "winner take all" vote.

This "upset victory" was a tie. Up until the week before the primary, Clinton was the decisive, presumptive winner. Why is everybody calling it a "win" for Clinton and a "loss" for Obama?

/I sincerely don't get it.

Why is everybody calling it a "win" for Clinton and a "loss" for Obama?

Because people either live in the black or the white, not the grey gooey centre.

/no pun intended.
//actually, that'd be quite a good pun.
///pun very much intended.

This "upset victory" was a tie. Up until the week before the primary, Clinton was the decisive, presumptive winner. Why is everybody calling it a "win" for Clinton and a "loss" for Obama?

Because momentum is more important than the number of delegates you get. Momentum comes from getting more votes, which she did.

I think all elections should be audited as a matter of routine. Its that important.

bartink: Because momentum is more important than the number of delegates you get. Momentum comes from getting more votes, which she did.

I swear to God that I've heard this stunning win of two percentage points called "one of the most spectacular comebacks in modern political history" by multiple pundits on multiple networks who JUST got done flagellating themselves for getting carried away with statistics.

It boggles the mind...

deevo: When I hear him talk about this, and not even Ron Paul is complaining, I ask myself, is Dennis Kucinich really the only candidate with the combination of morals, respect for democracy as an ends to itself, and his own brain?

As a big Ron Paul guy, I get the impression that Ron was looking into it and it was a big debate because it does have the potential to make Ron look like a sore loser (where as Kucinich is saying, yep I lost but I want to pay for a recount). They were debating it, but some really remote Republican who was on the NH ballot (and nowhere else I think) is requesting the recount, paid by Ron Paul supporters http://grannywarrior.chipin.com/recount )

globalwarmingpraiser: Universal Healthcare

Tax Hikes sorry Roll backs

Affirmative Action


Nope no liberal there

Successively, those are a plan minted by the insurance corporation lobbyists, a tradition for all politicians, and a set of retro policies that kind of worked once, but will probably screw things up if ripped from the past and pasted into modern society.

so, part 1: corporate sponsorship, that's not necessarily 'conservative', but it's sort of associated with fascism, which is what I assume people mean when they use 'conservative' as a derogatory label.

part 2: Hey, supporting tradition-- that's like the definition of 'conservative' in the literal sense.

part 3: Yeah, ressurecting old policies because it's how things were done in the past-- pretty much the main example of when being a conservative is counterproductive.

//So on those, your 'hey, some of her policies are liberal' superficial point is correct, as non-hillarycare universal healthcare plans are, in fact, liberal, as are affirmative action thingies in theory. However, your implied point, that she's not conservative, is totally untrue even by your own examples.

//Remember, kids: the opposite of conservative is 'radical' (wanting to arbitrarily change how things are done), not 'liberal'. 'liberal' fits on another axis altogether, the opposite of which is 'authoritarian'. It's entirely possible for advocating a policy to be both 'liberal' and 'conservative' at the same time, like, say, supporting sufferage for black people.

//Knowing is half the battle.

//Bush's problem isn't that he's conservative, it's that he's authoritarian. Hell, if he were more focused on being conservative he might even improve a bit.

Unpossible. Liberals and Democrats are the same critters. I know this 'cause I read it on teh FARK.

Socialists always blame someone else.

They never even have their own ideas, merely steal ones thought by others.

RockIsDead: Socialists always blame someone else.

They never even have their own ideas, merely steal ones thought by others.

How original.

RockIsDead: Socialists always blame someone else.

They never even have their own ideas, merely steal ones thought by others.

Conservatives invent Socialists to blame. . .

Step 1: Replace reliable, certifiable paper-based voting system with multi-million dollar electronic system

Step 2: Observe that electronic system is completely hackable by any non-retarded ten-year-old.

Step 3: At an additional cost of millions implement a paper-based add on to the electronic system so that, after several stolen elections and hundreds of millions of wasted dollars, the new system will be as good as the old system.

Step 4: Point finger in air while chanting "We're Number One! We're Number One!" anytime somebody tries to discuss how even Belarus has a better voting system than the US.

Did I miss anything?

The voting system in the United states is corrupt and incompetent at every conceivable level. It needs to be entirely thrown out and created from the ground up.

It should be the cornerstone to our democracy, instead it is a continual embarassment.

Evil Otto: //oh, and finding a windows driver for something is ALWAYS cake.

Actually, yeah... Just go to any of the driver compilation sites and you can usually find what you need within 3-4 clicks.