Maybe we should demobilize the Cleveland Police Department to Okinawa.

Modern police are a lot closer to an occupying force and/or a band of highway robbers than actual peace officers. The amusing-if-it-wasn't-so-sad similarity to Baghdad doesn't surprise me.

the surge has hit Cleveland?

Churchill2004: Modern police are a lot closer to an occupying force and/or a band of highway robbers than actual peace officers. The amusing-if-it-wasn't-so-sad similarity to Baghdad doesn't surprise me.







This.

I know, I know, different sources. But if you watch the news closely, you'll see more and more riot cops running around.

Why does the "black community" keep making a crackdown on violence a race issue?

Greta: He knocked over another ATM. This time at knife point. He needs your legal advice.
Fletcher: [picking up phone and shouting] Stop breaking the law, asshole!

/Quote could be related.
//No racist, I swear.

Tin soldiers and Nixon's comin'.

Cleveland Rocks!

"What troubled me is the idea that police officers can tell who is concealing a weapon," said defense attorney Terry Gilbert, who has sued several police officers over the years, claiming they violated people's civil rights.

Most criminals I suspect would not bother with an IWB or other concealment holster - one would hope that after having arrested many criminals who *do* have guns, they would be able to tell the print (shape through clothing, etc). They have a strong self-preservation incentive to be able to tell if someone has a gun, just like animals learn quickly to spot predators.

Isn't Cleveland a "culturally diverse" area?

If so, I'd expect major problems. Yes, I said that.

Dear Cleveland,

After your surge is over, we would like you to send any extra police officers and federal agents.

Very truly yours,

Philadelphia

FTA: "It usually centers on African-American youths congregating on street corners," Gilbert said., meaning they will be a target of the crackdown.

Question, cause I've never been to Cleveland, nor will I ever be, is the majority of the people who are having weapons illegally and dealing drugs on those corners black? If that's the case, why would someone who's innocent do the same thing as people who are doing illegal acts?

It's a catch-22, IMO. I remember there were lawsuits thrown around about how people who looked of Middle-Eastern descent were targeted for FAA checks, and they complained that it could be anyone, but I didn't see my grandma Shirley or great-uncle Abraham claiming jihad and blowing up some towers.

Point being, not that I approve of racial stereotyping in most cases, but if you know that certain members of your ethnicity is performing criminal acts at certain places while doing certain things, don't do that. Half the time, the people I see playing the race card are the exact ones that fit into said stereotypes they want to break free from so bad.

/i won't shave my head, not because my ears are huge, but because it makes me look like a nazi skinhead, a group i don't want to be associated with

Its not Federal troops, because we have a Constitution which forbids it, and States' Rights is one of the last taboo political topics - remember what happened last time the States decided that they had had enough?

Remember folks, its the UNITED STATES of America, formerly (or still if you believe the Texans) sovereign nations which agreed to unite for a common cause.

Why is this all relevant? fark if I know, but the Patriots are up 14 to 7.

Anton's Screen Name: Why does the "black community" keep making a crackdown on violence a race issue?

Greta: He knocked over another ATM. This time at knife point. He needs your legal advice.
Fletcher: [picking up phone and shouting] Stop breaking the law, asshole!

/Quote could be related.
//No racist, I swear.

Too true. Love that movie.

So, Cleveland is steamed about this too?

Gothmolly: Remember folks, its the UNITED STATES of America, formerly (or still if you believe the Texans) sovereign nations which agreed to unite for a common cause.

Or in Hawaii's case, one sovereign nation that was subjugated by another.

/Window seat, please

Approves

Despite the anti-Cleveland greenlights and posts in here today, Cleveland still rocks!



/Yes, I know it's Progressive Field now

why would someone who's innocent do the same thing as people who are doing illegal acts?

They aren't or by definition they'd be doing illegal acts as well. Around here the dealers hang out on their front stairs, are you saying that I shouldn't sit out on my front stairs with the neighbors because the guys on the next block over are doing the same thing while dealing?

I've actually just gotten back not so long ago from Cleveland..I thought it was hilarious how that at the gas stations, they had 3 inch thick glass separating the customer from the clerk... I also noticed that around 8 of 10 people I saw were black.... Funny thing is, I couldn't see how it was dangerous at all. Not like I got shot during my week visit. Anyway, if it really is that bad, good luck to the mayor. He has my support.

You know why they'd predominantly target young black men?

Because young black men carry guns way more than young white men in most areas. Same with young men of other races. I'm sure there are other areas where the distribution is different..but in Cleveland something like 70 or 80% of all violent crime is committed by African Americans.

If you don't like to be predominantly targeted, don't predominantly be the problem.

Je5tEr: why would someone who's innocent do the same thing as people who are doing illegal acts?

They aren't or by definition they'd be doing illegal acts as well. Around here the dealers hang out on their front stairs, are you saying that I shouldn't sit out on my front stairs with the neighbors because the guys on the next block over are doing the same thing while dealing?

I'm saying that if you don't want to be lumped into a group that is doing illegal acts, do something different. Feel free to live your life as you see fit, but the law will always err on the side of safety, which in this case, if someone is dealing drugs on the front stairs, they're going to question everyone sitting on their front stairs.

If the neighborhood has issues with the being treated like dealers, why don't they turn in the dealers to clean up their streets, so they can do what they want while not being lumped with bad group? The neighborhoods let the dealers slide, 'they're not hurting anybody', but when the city decides to crackdown, they complain.

Furthermore, if you live in a bad neighborhood, move. Go someplace where you won't be treated the same as your drug dealing neighbor.

Without meaning to sound racist, though I know I will be accused of it regardless since it's imposible to have a serious discussion on race in this country, Cleveland is a mostly black city, and from what I can tell of the crime statistics, a large part of the criminal activity takes place in predominantly black neighborhoods, and the majority of the people committing the crimes AND being targeted by the criminals are black. There is a difference between racial discrimination (the fact that the majority of drug users in prison are black despite that whites tend to use more drugs per capita) and an efficient concentration of resources based on available data.

More puzzling for me, though, is that despite that the #1 cause of death for a black male 18-32 is ANOTHER black male 18-32, the black community continues to make civil rights martyrs out of the basest dregs of society. Race needs to be a non-issue, and the more it is brought up by anyone, the more it becomes impossible to discuss rationally, and more importantly to forget and ignore, like we should have a century ago, along with phrenology, as a means of discerning the character and ability of an individual.

I suggest we Nuke Cleveland.

A few grammar issues, but I think my point got across.

Lozer T. User: I've actually just gotten back not so long ago from Cleveland..I thought it was hilarious how that at the gas stations, they had 3 inch thick glass separating the customer from the clerk... I also noticed that around 8 of 10 people I saw were black.... Funny thing is, I couldn't see how it was dangerous at all. Not like I got shot during my week visit. Anyway, if it really is that bad, good luck to the mayor. He has my support.

So EVERY gas station had windows that thick? I doubt that. I submit that if you go to any major city in this country, you will find neighborhoods that have the same situation.

And, oooh, you saw 8 black folks? Where are you from, Utah?

Smotto: Dude, you're a tool who doesn't know how to read.

RoxtarRyan: Smotto: Dude, you're a tool who doesn't know how to read.

Well, I assure that you are quite wrong on both counts, but on what are you basing this?

I blame welfare.

danic101: I suggest we Nuke Cleveland.

Thank you, George Duh-bya Bush.

Most criminals I suspect would not bother with an IWB or other concealment holster - one would hope that after having arrested many criminals who *do* have guns, they would be able to tell the print (shape through clothing, etc).

Eh, the current "urban youth" uniform is ultra-baggy clothes, and winter jackets all seem to be puffy, formless affairs. Good combo for hiding something.

Black youths are killing each other in Cleveland
and the police are doing nothing about it

that's racist

Black youths are killing each other in Cleveland
and the police step in

that's racist

/get it

I y'all don't feel safe in Cleveland, just come on down to New Orleans. They've had the national guard there since Katrina, and it's real safe.

Smotto: Lozer T. User: I've actually just gotten back not so long ago from Cleveland..I thought it was hilarious how that at the gas stations, they had 3 inch thick glass separating the customer from the clerk... I also noticed that around 8 of 10 people I saw were black.... Funny thing is, I couldn't see how it was dangerous at all. Not like I got shot during my week visit. Anyway, if it really is that bad, good luck to the mayor. He has my support.

So EVERY gas station had windows that thick? I doubt that. I submit that if you go to any major city in this country, you will find neighborhoods that have the same situation.

And, oooh, you saw 8 black folks? Where are you from, Utah?

First off, he never said every single gas station. If I went to few bars in a city that had unisex bathrooms, but the rest didn't, and I said that the bars there had unisex bathrooms, does not invalidate my point. You assume he meant every gas station in the city, and also to assume people make it a point to visit every gas station in cities on trips, well, makes you a tool.

Secondly, he never said he saw 8 "black folks." He said "8 of 10", which means he is speaking of a ratio. Now, that means if he saw 100 people, 80 of them were black. Which proves you do not know how to read.

Oh, and under his profile, it says he's from Texas, not Utah, further proving that you are, in fact, a tool who doesn't know hot to read.

/Roxtar=3
//you=0
///now go get yourself some edumacation

Oh, and under his profile, it says he's from Texas, not Utah, further proving that you are, in fact, a tool who doesn't know how to read.

/Roxtar=3
//you=0
///now go get yourself some edumacation


Damnit! FTFM

/Roxtar=2

Downtown Dave
Nice to see the black community rallying behind their criminals.

The black community isn't. The article quotes one or two black people and some how that represents the black community. This happens all the time, throughout the country.

In my city, we have black people constantly speaking out openly against crime, organizing marchers, patrols/crime watches etc.. and that never makes the news. What makes the news is only the crime that is committed by so few, which is often times all white suburbia sees. So they get the wrong impression about many black folk and their different culture in many places just amplifies the false notions as Downtown Dave has apparently come to understand.

kilgorn: Black youths are killing each other in Cleveland
and the police are doing nothing about it

that's racist

Black youths are killing each other in Cleveland
and the police step in

that's racist

/get it

So theoretically... everything is racist. Sounds about right.

musashi1600: Gothmolly: Remember folks, its the UNITED STATES of America, formerly (or still if you believe the Texans) sovereign nations which agreed to unite for a common cause.

Or in Hawaii's case, one sovereign nation that was subjugated by another.

/Window seat, please

I think it was a fair trade. You get the tourist dollars and US military protection, AND your votes count. Sorta. It was either that or Japan for you.

/yes I am aware that HI is a popular Japanese tourist destination, but you get their money too.

By the way, I understand not all cities are like mine. I speak about where I am from and what I see.

I'm saying that if you don't want to be lumped into a group that is doing illegal acts, do something different.

Hide inside and only come out to go to work. Nice life.

Feel free to live your life as you see fit,

Your entire agrument says otherwise.

but the law will always err on the side of safety, which in this case, if someone is dealing drugs on the front stairs, they're going to question everyone sitting on their front stairs.

Fine, cops can talk all they want if they have cause, if not say hi and keep walking.

If the neighborhood has issues with the being treated like dealers, why don't they turn in the dealers to clean up their streets, so they can do what they want while not being lumped with bad group?

I take it you've never lived in a city. Dealer around the corner is 17 if that, lives with long retired grandparents who think he's an angel, dad's in jail and mom OD'd. His uncle is a cop in this district. One of the biggest coke dealers in the city is married to a Federal District Court judge. I could go on. And another thing, the only reason the dealers are here is because they can live well while their customers come in from the burbs.

The neighborhoods let the dealers slide, 'they're not hurting anybody', but when the city decides to crackdown, they complain.

Everyone, including the city, knows whats going on and who's doing it, but chances are no one above the lowest rung gets taken down because they are connected or have dirt on someone. Furthermore, the general behavior seems to be that the dealers leave the rest of us alone and vice versa, the only beefs are between dealers or their customers.

Furthermore, if you live in a bad neighborhood, move. Go someplace where you won't be treated the same as your drug dealing neighbor.

Heh, bad neighborhood? Try again, the house across the street (owned by 2 MDs) sold not too long ago for $425k and is not odd to find places for more than that. My neighborhood is great, its the nightly influx of suburban idiots that bring and breed the problems.

Give us our damn reperations (for slavery and all the other bad stuff you you did to us ... rosanne etc...) and we'll stop robbin' you crackers!

/ Joking of course
// What many fail to realize is that the black community can't be responsible for what some people in the black community do just like the white community can't be responsible for what EVERYONE in their community does...

RoxtarRyan:

Funny. But here's a little English lesson for you: when someone says "they had 3 inch thick glass" they imply that all stations did. If he'd said "some gas stations", or "the stations I saw had 3-inch glass" it would have made more sense.

And thanks for taking a peek at his profile for me. I really didn't think he was from Utah, but if a 80% ratio of black folks shocks him, he doesn't get out much. That was my point. Good job nit-picking though.

Thanks for the edjamacation, slick, but I stand by my post.

/who keeps score?
//must be one of those Internet tough guys

And the supreme comedy of my city is that while they ignore black youth killing each other just like in Cleveland, the 4 most powerful political offices are currently held by black women with teenage sons.

Smotto: RoxtarRyan:

Funny. But here's a little English lesson for you: when someone says "they had 3 inch thick glass" they imply that all stations did. If he'd said "some gas stations", or "the stations I saw had 3-inch glass" it would have made more sense.

And thanks for taking a peek at his profile for me. I really didn't think he was from Utah, but if a 80% ratio of black folks shocks him, he doesn't get out much. That was my point. Good job nit-picking though.

Thanks for the edjamacation, slick, but I stand by my post.

/who keeps score?
//must be one of those Internet tough guys
Actually, he has a point. No one but you thought he meant all gas stations. His observation of the ratio of black:other isn't all that surprising - note that he didn't say he ever felt unsafe, no?

Je5tEr: Hide inside and only come out to go to work. Nice life.

Well, you ARE talking to Farkers... if there isn't an internet connection on the front steps they aren't interested in hanging out there.

/Or an X-Box, Wii, PS3, TV, etc.

Smotto:
/who keeps score?
//must be one of those Internet tough guys

You still assume what he meant, which still makes you a tool. I only nitpicked the points you decided to, and proved the fact that you can't read.

You could have been more civil and demonstrated the cognitive ability of relaying good points in your retort the way Je5TtEr was, but instead, chose the way of the idiot.

/I just fight the good fight against douchebaggery
//now leave this thread to the grownups

colovion: Je5tEr: Hide inside and only come out to go to work. Nice life.

Well, you ARE talking to Farkers... if there isn't an internet connection on the front steps they aren't interested in hanging out there.

/Or an X-Box, Wii, PS3, TV, etc.

Wireless dude, Fark from the porch!

Down here in S.C. In the central midlands, read capitol city area, we're up to 1-2 murders/shootings/stabbings a day since 1/1/8 so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. Not a racist, am pragmatist.FTW

Most of the bad guys have been in trouble with the law multiple times. If they punished them severely enough THE FIRST TIME, the black community wouldn't be suffering so bad. The majority are suffering from the actions of a few. The first time you mug someone, you should go away for 5 years, minimum. Preferably a prison camp in the middle of the desert, sorting recyclables and thus making the prison a self financing operation.

They are starting the crackdown in the winter, when the cold weather will keep folks indoors which will lessen the crossfire casualties.

Seeing how Mayor Jackson is African-American/Italian-American, he will probably get a pass from the black agenda crowd until something dramatic happens. I hope they give him a whole lot of slack, for what he's doing is necessary. It is commendable that he will do a political high-wire act to do the right thing.

/My heart goes out to the members and families of the Cleveland police department, and I hope that they all come through this safely.