Yeah... if only the UN had cruise missiles, eh, smitty?

Strongly worded letter? Hmm.. That sounds weak obviously. We should send someone over to personally punch every Iranian in the face.

That'll solve everything.

If that fails, the UN is prepared to fart in Iran's general direction.

Because its bound to come up in the thread

Iranian Boats May Not Have Made Radio Threat, Pentagon Says

The U.S. military inflicts more damage on its own credibility
It seems increasingly clear that the U.S. military's initial claims about its interaction with those five Iranian speed boats in the Strait of Hormuz was exaggerated in significant ways, approaching Jessica Lynch/Pat Tillman/Iraq-is-going-great territory. It's impossible to resolve all of the conflicting details of each side's self-serving version, but the most inflammatory facts which the Navy originally asserted, and which the American news media uncritically regurgitated, are quite dubious, if not demonstrably false.
..snip..


US-Iranian naval dispute deepens

Voice from Iran incident may be regional pest
The threatening radio transmission heard at the end of a video showing harassing maneuvers by Iranian patrol boats in the Strait of Hormuz may have come from a locally famous heckler well known to Navy crews.
...snip...

Iran showdown has echoes of faked Tonkin attack

Persepolis: Strongly worded letter? Hmm.. That sounds weak obviously. We should send someone over to personally punch every Iranian in the face.

That'll solve everything.

That plan will still be more rational and well thought out than anything suggested by the "kill Iran" dumbasses that are certain to show up here.

Considering the U.S. is in little shape to start another war (even if you say our military can handle it, the citizens can't) and the fact that Isreal attacking them would set the entire region on fire, what incentive does Iran have to cooperate while GW is still around?

Isreal = Israel, before I get my head bitten off
/Sorry for the double post

The Navy is running scared from a cuople of speedboats.

ilambiquated: The Navy is running scared from a cuople of speedboats.

and Israelis are running scared from a few teenagers

"The maniac has replied with a sarcastic remark"

The UN is obviously a weak, useless entity. Remember when it was ordering Iraq to get rid of WMDs? It wasn't long ago, 2002 IIRC. Well, it was so ineffective, that the US had to take matters in its own powerful, yet innocent, hands.
And a mere 5 years and a million victims later, Iraq is a peaceful, democratic, stable, err, something.

nictamer: Remember when it was ordering Iraq to get rid of WMDs? It wasn't long ago, 20021991 IIRC. Well, it was so ineffective, that the US had to take matters in its own powerful, yet innocent, hands.

ilambiquated: The Navy is running scared from a couple of speedboats.

Actually, this technique was demonstrated as being incredibly effective
against our warships by the US Navy themselves during a war games
exercise.

One doesn't have to look too far back in history to see that huge, heavily
armoured, and armed ships can be overrun by a fleet of smaller and faster
ships.

At some point, our defenses can be overrun by sheer numbers and it would
appear that the Iranians fully understand this. We are not invulnerable.

nictamer: The UN is obviously a weak, useless entity. Remember when it was ordering Iraq to get rid of WMDs? It wasn't long ago, 2002 IIRC. Well, it was so ineffective, that the US had to take matters in its own powerful, yet innocent, hands.
And a mere 5 years and a million victims later, Iraq is a peaceful, democratic, stable, err, something.

Oh right, you do understand that we are the United States and because of that
fact alone, we get to tell every other nation what they will do and when.

vomit

Party Boy

Not long ago The Raw Story was placing for-hire ads in craigslist with pathetic experience requirements.

It's a joke of an organization.

When you cite it, you Fail.

Random Reality Check: ilambiquated: The Navy is running scared from a couple of speedboats.

Actually, this technique was demonstrated as being incredibly effective
against our warships by the US Navy themselves during a war games
exercise.

One doesn't have to look too far back in history to see that huge, heavily
armoured, and armed ships can be overrun by a fleet of smaller and faster
ships.

At some point, our defenses can be overrun by sheer numbers and it would
appear that the Iranians fully understand this. We are not invulnerable.

Then our military budget is a complete waste of money.

American militarists want to have it both ways. On the one hand they say the gazillions we waste on military equipment makes us the best and the baddest in the world, but on the other hand, to justify the whole thing they are stuck having to claim that countries that spend a tiny fraction of what we do are opponents that need to be taken seriously.

Well, according to every presidential candidate except for Kucinich and Paul, the United States needs to invade Iran ASAP.

Obama even suggested nuking them. McCain wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years or more.

I can't wait to see the surprised look on people's faces when the "war on terra" continues way past the time Bush leaves. It's the elites pushing this, not just one administration.

When we get entangled with Iran over the next 8 years, I want to make sure you Farkers remember back to 2008 when you had a chance to do something about it.

In the meantime, please continue to accuse Ron Paul of being cRaZy!!11one

STOP!........or I shall say stop again!

buz,

I was going to say that!

I Said: Considering the U.S. is in little shape to start another war (even if you say our military can handle it, the citizens can't) and the fact that Isreal attacking them would set the entire region on fire, what incentive does Iran have to cooperate while GW is still around?

FTFY.

Even if the Iranians are sabre-rattling, let's have a look at the situation from their perspective:

We currently have almost 200,000 troops garrisoned in countries that border them. We effectively control the governments of both of those countries as well, Iraq & Afghanistan. We have not had diplomatic relations with them for years. We gave quarter to and supported the Shah, who was a brutal leader to them. We completely control the shipping lanes leading to their ports. Our leader incldued them in his "axis of evil" speech a few years ago... We've taken out one of those countries, Iraq, which did not have nuclear weapons. The other country we DID NOT invade, N. Korea, has nuclear weapons.

Is it so hard to understand why Iran may think that it's in ITS best interest to acquire the capability as well? Hmm?

All you "glass parking lot" folks are part of the problem as well. We are (and have been) picking a fight with them.

ilambiquated: Then our military budget is a complete waste of money.

Among others waiting in line, both the French of the pre-WWII
era and the Spanish (circa 1588) would like to share with you
what they learned during their somewhat shortened lives.

skylabdown: Even if the Iranians are sabre-rattling, let's have a look at the situation from their perspective:

We currently have almost 200,000 troops garrisoned in countries that border them. We effectively control the governments of both of those countries as well, Iraq & Afghanistan. We have not had diplomatic relations with them for years. We gave quarter to and supported the Shah, who was a brutal leader to them. We completely control the shipping lanes leading to their ports. Our leader incldued them in his "axis of evil" speech a few years ago... We've taken out one of those countries, Iraq, which did not have nuclear weapons. The other country we DID NOT invade, N. Korea, has nuclear weapons.

Is it so hard to understand why Iran may think that it's in ITS best interest to acquire the capability as well? Hmm?

All you "glass parking lot" folks are part of the problem as well. We are (and have been) picking a fight with them.

It also could be that Iran needs their own boogeyman as well. The people aren't too happy, and the current government needs to show them that they are still needed.

It also could be that Iran needs their own boogeyman as well. The people aren't too happy, and the current government needs to show them that they are still needed.

No argument there... except for "it also could be that" I would say "in addition."

Many of the young people are not happy with the current situation in Iran... which would make it even more tragic if we went stomping through there like drunken monkeys.

USP .45: Party Boy

Not long ago The Raw Story was placing for-hire ads in craigslist with pathetic experience requirements.

It's a joke of an organization.

When you cite it, you Fail.


Fair enough. How about the Washington Post and BBC? I think the basic idea behind Party Boy's stories has some weight.

USP .45: ...
Poisioning the well

Description of Poisoning the Well

This sort of "reasoning" involves trying to discredit what a person might later claim by presenting unfavorable information (be it true or false) about the person. This "argument" has the following form:

• Unfavorable information (be it true or false) about person A is presented.
• Therefore any claims person A makes will be false.


USP .45: You are going to want to attack the points made in the articles.

PROPOSED SLOGANS FOR THE U.N.

* If a corrupt, bloated bureaucracy can't solve it, then it's best left festering.

* Genocidal dictators, beware our harshly worded letters.

* If our baby-blue helmets don't scream seriousness, then are non-binding resolutions do.

* Chosen by 4 out of 5 oppressed peoples for peacekeeping over Sprite in a blind taste test.

* The U.N. - U.N.fair, U.N.balanced, U.N.medicated.

* Try our world famous cheesy fries.

* Defeating evil... as long as the cowardly French and the evil Chinese Commies don't use their veto power.

* Pointless squabbling brought to an art form.

* Check with our job opportunities center for great benefits and embezzlement opportunities.

* If troubles abound, we'll be nearby doing nothing.

* You can't spell "unethical" without U.N.

* Honest - those people were raped before we got here.

* If you don't like us, our 156-4 vote says it's the fault of Israel.

* Ignoring the irony of cronies of pissant dictatorships voting in a democratic fashion for 60 years.

* If this is an emergency, please hang up and dial America.

/drtfa

Just as well we have to US of A to stand up to these dangerous folk and make the world a better place. I reckon a war on Iran will easily beat the 80,000 or so dead arab count of the Iraq war. With your endless reserves of cash and booming economy I'm sure America can afford war with any amount of baddies.
/to much sarcasm?

Party Boy: USP .45: ...
Poisioning the well

Description of Poisoning the Well

This sort of "reasoning" involves trying to discredit what a person might later claim by presenting unfavorable information (be it true or false) about the person. This "argument" has the following form:

• Unfavorable information (be it true or false) about person A is presented.
• Therefore any claims person A makes will be false.


USP .45: You are going to want to attack the points made in the articles.

It isn't always a fallacy. Some sources like Newsmax and The Raw Story are often full of shiat.

/Not saying what you posted is full of fail, as I THINK I saw that same info from more credible sources.
//Can't remember right now, and too lazy to go googling.

ilambiquated: The Navy is running scared from a cuople of speedboats.



This is the USS Cole. It was brought down by a Rubber hulled speedboat filled with explosives. It killed 17 sailors.

If there would have been a USS Cole-style attack by Iran on these boats, there would have been a hot war.

Audio or no audio, those speedboats are clearly threatening the US vessels- who are legally in international waters.

kisdm001: * If this is an emergency, please hang up and dial America.

And who put us in charge?
Oh wait, you think we did?

One pile of stupid, delivered
direct to you from kisdm001:

FriarTuck: those speedboats are clearly threatening the US vessels- who are legally in international waters.

But having an entire carrier battle group halfway around the world from us
parked within strikin range or Iran, while we make direct threats of attack,
is not threatening?

Are you farking kidding me?

FriarTuck: ilambiquated: The Navy is running scared from a cuople of speedboats.



This is the USS Cole. It was brought down by a Rubber hulled speedboat filled with explosives. It killed 17 sailors.

If there would have been a USS Cole-style attack by Iran on these boats, there would have been a hot war.

Audio or no audio, those speedboats are clearly threatening the US vessels- who are legally in international waters.

I can't picture Iranians suicide bombing themselves into our ships. That's not a Shiite thing to do, it's a Sunni/Wahhabi phenomenom.

Random Reality Check: ilambiquated: Then our military budget is a complete waste of money.

Among others waiting in line, both the French of the pre-WWII
era and the Spanish (circa 1588) would like to share with you
what they learned during their somewhat shortened lives.

And that would be?

FriarTuck: ilambiquated: The Navy is running scared from a cuople of speedboats.



This is the USS Cole. It was brought down by a Rubber hulled speedboat filled with explosives. It killed 17 sailors.

If there would have been a USS Cole-style attack by Iran on these boats, there would have been a hot war.

Audio or no audio, those speedboats are clearly threatening the US vessels- who are legally in international waters.

The US would be better off if the USS Cole had never been built.

muck4doo: Party Boy.../Not saying what you posted is full of fail, as I THINK I saw that same info from more credible sources.
//Can't remember right now, and too lazy to go googling.

I posted 4 and 2 of the links have sub links within them.

The article that all this is about is the last one posted within them all.

Freeper_Madness: ilambiquated: The Navy is running scared from a couple of speedboats.

Random Reality Check: At some point, our defenses can be overrun by sheer numbers and it would appear that the Iranians fully understand this. We are not invulnerable.

The Iranians are not stupid enough to want to start a war with us. There is no way that is going to happen.

What defenses are you even talking about? And what numbers? The Iranians have no Navy and no airforce worth the name. There will be no war between the US and Iran if the US doesn't start a war.

muck4doo: "I can't picture Iranians suicide bombing themselves into our ships. That's not a Shiite thing to do, it's a Sunni/Wahhabi phenomenom."

Uhhhh... you do know that the Iranians were behind the suicide bombings of the U.S. Embassy and the Marine Barracks in Beirut in 1983, right?

67 Beetle: Uhhhh... you do know that the Iranians were behind the suicide bombings of the U.S. Embassy and the Marine Barracks in Beirut in 1983, right


The key word he used was "themselves"

/small point, really
//make little difference as well.

67 Beetle: Uhhhh... you do know that the Iranians were behind the suicide bombings of the U.S. Embassy and the Marine Barracks in Beirut in 1983, right?

No I don't "know" that. What exactly do you mean by "was behind"?

67 Beetle: muck4doo: "I can't picture Iranians suicide bombing themselves into our ships. That's not a Shiite thing to do, it's a Sunni/Wahhabi phenomenom."

Uhhhh... you do know that the Iranians were behind the suicide bombings of the U.S. Embassy and the Marine Barracks in Beirut in 1983, right?

By that you mean Hezbollah, right? There are different factors that come into play in Lebanon, and it probably wasn't an Iranian that suicide bombed himself into the barracks. I know Hezbollah is backed by Iran(and Syria, don't forget), but I have never seen any evidence that it was a Shiite Iranian that pulled that stunt.

Freeper_Madness: ilambiquated: The Navy is running scared from a couple of speedboats.

ilambiquated: The Iranians are not stupid enough to want to start a war with us. There is no way that is going to happen.


You can't seem to make up your mind.

No, not really. The Americans are scared even though the Iranians aren't threatening. Look how scared shiatless the entire nation was of Iraq's nonexistent WMDs.

/Of course I suspect the Navy is only pretending to be scared to squeeze more tax money out of the cowardly gullible public.

Ah, the UN is bad, m'kay.

/baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

Oh no we're doomed!! Hide under the bed!!! They're out to get us! They're going to overwhelm our defenses by sheer numbers!!!

/A day after 9/11 the library of the Kingsport capmus of Esat Tenssessee Stae ÄUniversity closed for days for fear of terrorist attacks.

errr... East Tennessee State University, that is. One of Al Qaeda's top targets.

I don't know how many more angry letters Iran can handle.

Persepolis: "The key word he used was "themselves"

No. His point was that Shi'ites don't engage in suicide bombing as a tactic.

My point was that the Iranians funded the Shi'ite organiziations who committed those 1983 suicide bomb attacks -- showing that neither Shi'ites in general nor the Iranian government in particular are against using suicide bombers as a form of attack

67 Beetle: Persepolis: "The key word he used was "themselves"

No. His point was that Shi'ites don't engage in suicide bombing as a tactic.

My point was that the Iranians funded the Shi'ite organiziations who committed those 1983 suicide bomb attacks -- showing that neither Shi'ites in general nor the Iranian government in particular are against using suicide bombers as a form of attack

Address my post that was a response to yours.