McCain vs. Obama. Take it to the bank.

I didn't know they were greenlighting links from the Romney campaign now.

hockeyfarker: McCain vs. Obama. Take it to the bank.

McCain/Dole '08
"We're Really Old"

Dear FSM,

Please make it Feb 2009 already.

Thanks in advance,

cmunic8r99

Interesting theory there, subby.

hockeyfarker: McCain vs. Obama. Take it to the bank.

Yep. This.

I would slam subby for the headline, but I've recently began to understand that Fark tries to achieve some sort of moderation in its "Politics" tab.


::snicker::

Even though I disagree with his take on some issues, I used to have a HUGE amount of respect for McCain, but not anymore.

I seriously suspect the poor old guy has suffered one or more "silent strokes" which turned him into the Bush toady he is now.

It's sad. Very very sad.


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That said, he is the guy running on the Republican side I find least objectionable-- all the other guys are either theocratic psychos or total sleezebags.

I guess I just keep hoping there's some of that old independent thinking "Maverick" still alive in him somewhere.

If (Goddess forbid) this election comes down to McCain vs. Clinton...I'm not entirely convinced who I would vote for.



_{/Would probably just stay home and get really drunk, crying for the glory that America once was.}

he wont get crushed in denial.

hockeyfarker: McCain vs. Obama. Take it to the bank.

oh please oh please oh please oh please

Riche: That said, he is the guy running on the Republican side I find least objectionable-- all the other guys are either theocratic psychos or total sleezebags.

What the hell!?! McCain is even more hawkish on Iraq than Bush, and you think that he's not a psycho sleeze? Please, he's just as bad as the rest.

McCain for the Democratic Nominee for President!!

Shaggy_C: Riche: That said, he is the guy running on the Republican side I find least objectionable-- all the other guys are either theocratic psychos or total sleezebags.

What the hell!?! McCain is even more hawkish on Iraq than Bush, and you think that he's not a psycho sleeze? Please, he's just as bad as the rest.

You know, he wasn't such a nutcase until he started speaking on the Iraq war in the way he did. Maybe he did it all in the hopes of it helping him win the election. The Bush like talking helps him win the vote from the right wing religious nutcases, and just maybe it's all a show to get him in the White House. Once he gets there, maybe he'll go back to his old ways.

Yeah, I'm just wishing. I used to like McCain as well. Now I kind of wish Edwards had a chance in the Democratic primaries, I'd probably vote for him. I'm not so psyched about Obama though.

I'm still planning on voting for Thompson or Paul, depending who's still in the race when I get to vote in April.

Shaggy_C: What the hell!?! McCain is even more hawkish on Iraq than Bush, and you think that he's not a psycho sleeze? Please, he's just as bad as the rest.

Now now, Shag, I did say "LEAST objectionable." I'm certainly not endorsing him.

Who do you like (or at least dislike the least) among the GOP hopefuls?

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Part of me is hoping for a Huckabee v. Obama race.

And not just for the personal satisfaction I would get when Obama crushes Huckabee like a dung beetle under a cement truck in the general election.

Such a resounding defeat might FINALLY break apart the Republican party, separating the fiscal conservatives from the theocratic fundie nutjobs. A third party might emerge that would actually have a chance at being viable.

And that would only benefit America in the long run.

Paul v Kucinich!

Riche: It's sad. Very very sad.

Also not true. He's piassed Dubya and the establishment off quite a few times. If you were to pull your head out of Billary's ass for just a minute, instead of spouting whatever her toadies tell you, you would know that McCain is far from a toe-the-line Republican.

McCain is the Lieberman of the Repubs

Wait until real conservatives vote - in real conservative states.

Then make your predictions.

- BTW, Thompson came out of his coma and was swinging at Huckabee last night.

-- BTW II -- New Hampshire voted for McCain to knock out Romney.
Read about it here Link (pops new window for you there)

Riche: Who do you like (or at least dislike the least) among the GOP hopefuls?

I really dislike all of them - every one of them has a glaring flaw in my book.

Rudy - 9/11 as a platform and Neocon foreign policy advisors do NOT bode well. His idea to create gigantic national crime, terror, immigration, and infrastructure databases scares the shiat out of me.
Romney - Plastic, mean-spirited, and untrustworthy. His fiscal policy is acceptable, but that's about it.
Huckabee - Religious nutjob and economic fool. Fairtax? Hah!
Thompson - No personality, no stance on the issues (I think last night was the first time I ever saw him really speak more than a sentence in response to a moderator question). But still, all he did was talk about how 'Conservative' he is without regard to specifics. You're gonna cut taxes. OK, we get it...but what else?
Paul - Completely off the wall insane on most of his policy points, but he does bring up serious questions that no other candidate would approach with a 10 foot pole.
McCain - Huge war hawk and a complete sellout to the Bush part of the Republican party. Also authored McCain-Feingold which is a terrible affront to our freedom of speech.

I guess if I had to break it down, the two I hate the least are Romney and Paul. I'd never vote for them in a million years, but they're far better than the others in terms of the potential damage they could cause to the country. Well, Romney at least. Paul would fark a lot of stuff up, but it could be the kind of kick in the ass our country needs to get out of this complacent mode we're in right now. What I really like is his frankness on fiscal issues, especially waste and the underhanded dealings at the fed.

Rodeodoc: Also not true. He's piassed Dubya and the establishment off quite a few times.

He quit doing that several years back to become a professional suck-up to the neocons.


If you were to pull your head out of Billary's ass for just a minute, instead of spouting whatever her toadies tell you, you would know that McCain is far from a toe-the-line Republican.

Dude, you REALLY need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

Go back and re-read my... first time I posted on this thread (hope that gets through the filter!) When you are done with that little task I will be willing to accept your apology.


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Shaggy_C
I guess if I had to break it down, the two I hate the least are Romney and Paul. I'd never vote for them in a million years, but they're far better than the others in terms of the potential damage they could cause to the country. Well, Romney at least. Paul would fark a lot of stuff up, but it could be the kind of kick in the ass our country needs to get out of this complacent mode we're in right now. What I really like is his frankness on fiscal issues, especially waste and the underhanded dealings at the fed.

Yeah. That makes sense.

Snarfangel: hockeyfarker: McCain vs. Obama. Take it to the bank.

McCain/Dole '08
"We're Really Old"

McCain/Dole '08
Because Two Old Vets With Post-Traumatic Stress Equals Twice as Much Psychosis in the Oval Office!

I'm a registered Democrat, but if McCain becomes the Republican front runner I am going to have a really hard time making up my mind. The old McCain is someone I have really been able to believe in, I can't tell if this new McCain is who he really is, or some costume he put on to cater to Republicans so he can finally get in office. I would have a much easier time if Romney or Huckabee gets the nomination. I think the Republicans have done a horrible thing to our economy and our country, but McCain may be the person that can take us out of it.

I guess my main problems with the Democrats is that they talk and talk and have all these great ideas about how to fix everything. And then they sucker us all in and we vote them in and they get there and they say, "Man we really farked up, this is a horrible situation, so instead of bothering to do anything we should just ride this wave out" This whole country is just a horrible mess now I don't even know if anyone can fix it. It's just one big mess after another, housing market, foreign policy, war in (insert Middles Eastern Country), value of our dollar, the list goes on. I just wish someone would give a damn plan and tell me what we should do. I liked Ron Paul, but then I saw the video about how he does believe in the "theory" of evolution. I mean really, of all the scientific theories that we have, that's the one you're choosing. I would maybe understand if the catholic church was like, look here it is , passage x line y, but the damn pope said there is too much evidence to support it, but that doesn't mean there is no god. That's all you have to say. Saying the scientific theory makes sense doesn't mean you're saying fark god. Anyone that's enough of my drunken political rant

"Once he gets there, maybe he'll go back to his old ways."

Are you really willing to bet a bunch of people's lives on that?
I'm not.

Romney's going to spend millions to paint McCain as a lunatic, which actually isn't that tough to do. His communications director sent this email out last week to some Republican Hill staff, the Washington Post is going to have a story about it in the next couple of days:

From: "Kevin Madden"
Date: January 5, 2008 3:38:53 PM EST
To: "Kevin Madden"
Subject: The McCain Way: Attack Republicans

Good afternoon-

Choosing to ignore substance and relevant issues, the McCain way has always been to attack opponents in a personal manner.

THE MCCAIN WAY: ATTACK REPUBLICANS
A Top 10 List¦

1. Defending His Amnesty Bill, Sen. McCain Lost His Temper And "Screamed, 'F*ck You!' At
Texas Sen. John Cornyn" (R-TX). "Presidential hopeful John McCain - who has been dogged
for years by questions about his volcanic temper - erupted in an angry, profanity-laced
tirade at a fellow Republican senator, sources told The Post yesterday. In a heated
dispute over immigration-law overhaul, McCain screamed, 'F--- you!' at Texas Sen. John
Cornyn, who had been raising concerns about the legislation. 'This is chickens---stuff,'
McCain snapped at Cornyn, according to several people in the room off the Senate floor
Thursday. 'You've always been against this bill, and you're just trying to derail it.'"
(Charles Hurt, "Raising McCain," New York Post, 5/19/07)
2. In 2000, Sen. McCain Ran An Attack Ad Comparing Then-Gov. George W. Bush To Bill
Clinton. SEN. MCCAIN: "I guess it was bound to happen. Governor Bush's campaign is
getting desperate, with a negative ad about me. The fact is, I'll use the surplus money
to fix Social Security, cut your taxes and pay down the debt. Governor Bush uses all of
the surplus for tax cuts, with not one new penny for Social Security or the debt. His ad
twists the truth like Clinton. We're all pretty tired of that. As president, I'll be
conservative and always tell you the truth. No matter what." (McCain 2000, Campaign Ad,
2/9/00; www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHoXkCprdL4)
3. Sen. McCain Repeatedly Called Sen. Pete Domenici (R-NM) An "A**hole", Causing A Fellow
GOP Senator To Say, "I Didn't Want This Guy Anywhere Near A Trigger." "Why can't McCain
win the votes of his own colleagues? To explain, a Republican senator tells this story:
at a GOP meeting last fall, McCain erupted out of the blue at the respected Budget
Committee chairman, Pete Domenici, saying, 'Only an a--hole would put together a budget
like this.' Offended, Domenici stood up and gave a dignified, restrained speech about
how in all his years in the Senate, through many heated debates, no one had ever called
him that. Another senator might have taken the moment to check his temper. But McCain
went on: 'I wouldn't call you an a--hole unless you really were an a--hole.' The
Republican senator witnessing the scene had considered supporting McCain for president,
but changed his mind. 'I decided,' the senator told Newsweek, 'I didn't want this guy
anywhere near a trigger.'" (Evan Thomas, et al., "Senator Hothead," Newsweek, 2/21/00)
4. Sen. McCain Had A Heated Exchange With Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) And Called Him A
"F*cking Jerk." "Senators are not used to having their intelligence or integrity
challenged by another senator. 'Are you calling me stupid?' Sen. Chuck Grassley once
inquired during a debate with McCain over the fate of the Vietnam MIAs, according to a
source who was present. 'No,' replied McCain, 'I'm calling you a f---ing jerk!'
(Grassley and McCain had no comment.)" (Evan Thomas, et al., "Senator Hothead,"Newsweek,
2/21/00)
5. In 1995, Sen. McCain Had A "Scuffle" With 92-Year-Old Sen. Strom Thurmond (R-SC) On The
Senate Floor. "In January 1995, McCain was midway through an opening statement at a
Senate Armed Services Committee hearing when chairman Strom Thurmond asked, 'Is the
senator about through?' McCain glared at Thurmond, thanked him for his 'courtesy'
(translation: buzz off), and continued on. McCain later confronted Thurmond on the
Senate floor. A scuffle ensued, and the two didn't part friends." (Harry Jaffe, "Senator
Hothead," The Washingtonian, 2/97)
6. Sen. McCain Accused Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) Of The "Most Egregious Incident" Of
Corruption He Had Seen In The Senate. "It escalated when McCain reiterated the charges
Oct. 10 in a cross-examination, calling McConnell's actions the 'most egregious
incident' demonstrating the appearance of corruption he has ever seen in his Senate
career." (Amy Keller, "Attacks Escalate In Depositions," Roll Call, 10/21/02)
7. Sen. McCain Attacked Christian Leaders And Republicans In A Blistering Speech During The
2000 Campaign. MCCAIN: "Unfortunately, Governor Bush is a Pat Robertson Republican who
will lose to Al Gore. … The political tactics of division and slander are not our
values... They are corrupting influences on religion and politics, and those who
practice them in the name of religion or in the name of the Republican Party or in the
name of America shame our faith, our party and our country. Neither party should be
defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of
intolerance, whether they be Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton on the left, or Pat
Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right." (Sen. John McCain, Remarks, Virginia Beach,
VA, 2/28/00)
8. Sen. McCain Attacked Vice President Cheney. MCCAIN: "The president listened too much to
the Vice President . . . Of course, the president bears the ultimate responsibility, but
he was very badly served by both the Vice President and, most of all, the Secretary of
Defense." (Roger Simon, "McCain Bashes Cheney Over Iraq Policy," The Politico, 1/24/07)
9. Celebrating His First Senate Election In 1986, Sen. McCain Screamed At And Harassed A
Young Republican Volunteer. "It was election night 1986, and John McCain had just been
elected to the U.S. Senate for the first time. Even so, he was not in a good mood.
McCain was yelling at the top of his lungs and poking the chest of a young Republican
volunteer who had set up a lectern that was too tall for the 5-foot-9 politician to be
seen to advantage, according to a witness to the outburst. 'Here this poor guy is
thinking he has done a good job, and he gets a new butt ripped because McCain didn't
look good on television,' Jon Hinz told a reporter Thursday. At the time, Hinz was
executive director of the Arizona Republican Party. … Hinz said McCain's treatment of
the young campaign worker in 1986 troubled him for years. 'There were an awful lot of
people in the room,' Hinz recalled. 'You'd have to stick cotton in your ears not to hear
it. He (McCain) was screaming at him, and he was red in the face. It wasn't right, and I
was very upset at him.'" (Kris Mayes and Charles Kelly, "Stories Surface On Senator's
Demeanor," The Arizona Republic, 11/5/99)
10. Sen. McCain "Publicly Abused" Senator Richard Shelby (R-AL). "[McCain] noted his
propensity for passion but insisted that he doesn't 'insult anybody or fly off the
handle or anything like that.' This is, quite simply, hogwash. McCain often insults
people and flies off the handle¦. There have been the many times McCain has called
reporters 'liars' and 'idiots' when they have had the audacity to ask him unpleasant,but pertinent, questions. McCain once publicly abused Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama."
(Editorial, "There's Something About McCain," The Austin American-Statesman, 1/24/07)

Obama will not win the nomination. Super Tuesday will crush his chances.

For some reason Democratic partisans are getting psyched about Hillary. I'm not talking about young, web-savvy Democrats, energized by the Bush years. I'm talking about the poor, the elderly, and (quite frankly) the stupid.

There are times I hate my party. It's not like I invest a great deal of who I am into being a Democrat, but it feels more and more like I'm simply Democratic-affiliated rather than a real Democrat.

Recall all Repuglikkkans: Oh, yeah, of course, it must be the partisans.

Yes, it must be. Look at the exit polls coming out of New Hampshire. Hillary won the traditional Democratic welfare coalition. Obama won the others.

Recall all Repuglikkkans: Keep thinking that anyone who supports Hillary is just a partisan hack or someone who should be dismissed, and watch as we get a Repuglikkkan like the Huckster who will probably make Bush look like a moderate in the White House.

If we nominate Hillary, we will lose this election. She was able to build a Republican coalition in New York, but she will lose the general election in Ohio, and she will lose Minnesota, and she won't make gains amongst the other states. She will simultaneously energize the Republicans and independents against her, and send a large chunk of the Democratic base - particularly those who are only Democratic-leaning, rather than the fierce partisans who participate in primaries - home.

Shaggy_C: Paul would fark a lot of stuff up, but it could be the kind of kick in the ass our country needs to get out of this complacent mode we're in right now. What I really like is his frankness on fiscal issues, especially waste and the underhanded dealings at the fed.

I agree, but I don't think he'd fark stuff up. After all, he'd still need congressional approval; he'd be a president, not a dictator. I think he's the only candidate who wants to dismantle the KGB-like surveillance/control machine that the neocons have been building, and restore America to it's former glory.
And I agree that his frankness is refreshing; he's not out there just playing to the crowd for votes.
Strong medicine is what this country needs to heal, and sometimes strong medicine has a bad taste going down.

captainktainer: There are times I hate my party. It's not like I invest a great deal of who I am into being a Democrat, but it feels more and more like I'm simply Democratic-affiliated rather than a real Democrat.

That's because your party has sold out.
And the GOP has been hijacked by a Straussian cabal, who's ideas have infected it.
And the other parties are all viewed as the "throw your vote away party".
And this is how America is getting pwn3d from the inside.

Ron Paul '08

McCain/Nader

You could attack Clinton from the left and right at the same time.