Ex-boyfriend. That's an important distinction to those of us attracted to him.

Obviously, no one in charge was attracted to any of the participants Because that is really what homosexual prohibitions are about: "Straight" men associating with homosexuals and being afraid that they won't be able to keep their latent homosexual urges repressed enough to have sex with their wives.

The harder it gets to meet recruiting targets the less disruptive the occasional gay in the ranks becomes.

Seems convenient some how.

Well, he evidently didn't blow the investigators...

LyleDAL: The harder it gets to meet recruiting targets the less disruptive the occasional gay in the ranks becomes.

Seems convenient some how.

ftfa: Nearly 12,000 troops have been discharged under the policy since it was signed by President Clinton in 1993, but the number of discharges have decreased sharply since the start of the Iraq war.

Curiouser and curiouser.

The 21st Century will drag you kicking and screaming into it no matter how attached you are to the Dark Ages.

Maybe this is the beginning of the end for the idiotic policy of kicking out perfectly good and desperately needed volunteers out of the military.

I somehow doubt it, though.

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Nearly 12,000 troops have been discharged under the policy since it was signed by President Clinton in 1993, but the number of discharges have decreased sharply since the start of the Iraq war.

Glad to hear the military is getting better at avoiding gay discharges. Frankly, we should all avoid gay discharges.


_{/Unless you're in a long-term monogamous gay relationship
//otherwise wear a condom.}

Hey, as long as he can still shoot straight...

He can make a pass at his commanding officer...


/Done and done....and I mean done!

it's not gay if you see it recorded?

/or in a mirror

I guess Iraq has been good for something after all.

This shows exactly how Don't Ask Don't Tell has been turned into a weapon against the gay community in the military. If they're strapped for people there's none so blind who won't see, but if we're ever out of there their asses are gone.

I hope heads roll when they inevitably give this man a dishonorable discharge towards the end of his service.

Sargeant Sergeant kisses his boyfriend on "60 Minutes," army finds no evidence of homosexuality. Who does a guy have to blow to get kicked out of the military around here?

Misspelling military ranks is a pet peeve of mine.

/Remember Navy & Marines, it's not gay if it's underway!

AirForceVet: Misspelling military ranks is a pet peeve of mine.

It happens all the time in the Marine Core.

Donald_McRonald: AirForceVet: Misspelling military ranks is a pet peeve of mine.

It happens all the time in the Marine Core.

Only when wives are typing it

Cpl. Klinger does not approve.

Barak vEsh: This shows exactly how Don't Ask Don't Tell has been turned into a weapon against the gay community in the military. If they're strapped for people there's none so blind who won't see, but if we're ever out of there their asses are gone.

or the fact that a person sexual preference in not a matter in military combat will be seen as the last argument to fall from full accepting gays in the military.

We've heard for many years -- the military is not ready...

Well, it is, by matter of currently dealing with it, ready.

I Said: I hope heads roll when they inevitably give this man a dishonorable discharge towards the end of his service.

Actually, policy is to kick em out with an honorable discharge these days.

This is really great to hear, and I'm glad that this guy is able to be out without any problems from his superiors.

However, I've got two complaints: one, the policy is still effectively in place. There's nothing from stopping some bigot in someone else's chain of command from enforcing it on someone else.

Second, even if no-one is getting kicked out, there are a lot of us with a bar to re-enlistment on our record due to this policy out there, and, honorable discharge or not, it's a blemish on our record that never should have been there and ought to be removed.

Gay or not they're willing to fight. Support the troops.

Corydon:
There's nothing from stopping some bigot in someone else's chain of command from enforcing it on someone else.


The military has ways of weeding people who don't tow the line, out -- that includes officers at all levels. It would seem the pendulum is swinging is the right direction, now.


Second, even if no-one is getting kicked out, there are a lot of us with a bar to re-enlistment on our record due to this policy out there, and, honorable discharge or not, it's a blemish on our record that never should have been there and ought to be removed.

That should be fixed but will take a while to remove the law and strike the records.

" Hey Sarge, Have you gotta light for this here jumbo joint ?"
That should do it.

Obligatory

Barak vEsh: This shows exactly how Don't Ask Don't Tell has been turned into a weapon against the gay community in the military. If they're strapped for people there's none so blind who won't see, but if we're ever out of there their asses they are gone.

It was funnier in my head.

eatin' fetus: Gay or not they're willing to fight. Support the troops.

Semper Fabulous!

The homosexual sex act should be a basic requirement to get into the military. Are you hardcore or what? I mean, if you can't take it up the arse or dish it out, how tough are you? I would think it would take a strong character to be proud of it. Anyone can bang a chick, come on.
/not ghey

Thunderbox: " Hey Sarge, Have you gotta light for this here jumbo joint ?"
That should do it.

I dunno, when I was in the Army I knew a guy that tried to get thrown out by failing drug tests. He even arranged to miss a formation so that they would go to his room in the barracks and find him sleeping on his bed with a loaded (aluminum can) bowl in his hands. He was still trying to get thrown out when I transfered out almost a year later.

However, this was twenty years ago.

keithgabryelski: The military has ways of weeding people who don't tow the line, out -- that includes officers at all levels. It would seem the pendulum is swinging is the right direction, now.

Nothing's stopping the pendulum from swinging back the other way though once the war in Iraq is over. That's why it needs to be an official change in the policy.

The good thing about this is that it provides hard solid evidence of something I knew when I was in the Army...the overwhelming majority of soldiers don't give a damn about who you fark so long as you're someone that can be counted on when things go to hell.

That should be fixed but will take a while to remove the law and strike the records.

They tend to forget about the people who have been discharged and are unlikely to re-enter the service. While I was in, I participated in the ceremony removing the bar to re-enlistment for a freaking WWII war hero who was kicked out at the end of that war because they didn't like his politics (he had fought for the Republicans in Spain). Of course, he was also black, so that might explain a lot about their attitude...

Let it never be said they can't fight.(p)

/just wanted to post a history lesson

Tabatha Static: ftfa: Nearly 12,000 troops have been discharged under the policy since it was signed by President Clinton in 1993, but the number of discharges have decreased sharply since the start of the Iraq war.

Understand that homosexuals are bad for unit cohesion. It is,therefore, logical that discharges for homosexual conduct would only increase when unit cohesion is more critical. Obviously, unit cohesion is not at all important during wartime, it is apparently only vital during times of peace.

Philbb: However, this was twenty years ago.

2005 We had a SSG piss hot twice for cocaine right before deployment. They didn't pursue any action on him so he went AWOL. After the unit redeployed home, there were people getting stripped of rank left and right for failing drug tests. There were also at least 5 attempts I know of in basic where guys made agreements to suck each other off in the showers or their barracks room right before the Drill Sgt. would check in. None of it worked. Ever.

They'd just place them on Line Of Sight and they'd usually come up with an "I'm crazy" or attempted suicide to get out. I think we lost about 3 to that, and 1 who just refused to do anything.

Never understood that. It's so much easier to keep your mouth shut, be the gray man, and do your time. Whole lot less hassle.

I Said: Only when wives are typing it

His wife's name is Bruce.

Dimensio: Understand that homosexuals are bad for unit cohesion. It is,therefore, logical that discharges for homosexual conduct would only increase when unit cohesion is more critical.

I disagree... if you've never had same-sex cohesion on your unit, then you don't know what you're missing. The discharges are much more critical, believe you me.

The Why Not Guy: I Said: Only when wives are typing it

His wife's name is Bruce.

I had an aunt named Bruce.

Wait, did that sound gay?

Tabatha Static: I disagree... if you've never had same-sex cohesion on your unit, then you don't know what you're missing

I guess we just used too much Astroglide.

Good Idea: Forbid open expressions of love in uniform, whether straight, gay, or hot uniformed lesbian. When off-duty, anything goes as long as it's legal and you're especially not abusing authority.

Bad Idea: Draw an extremely unclear line between proper and improper conduct, aggressively investigate your soldiers' sexuality without any reason to do so (example: being solicited for sex in a bar but not consenting), threaten them with perjury if they refuse to out themselves, and ruin their entire military career if they admit their sexuality even if they didn't openly display it.

It's not "Don't ask, don't tell." It's "Ask if even remotely suspicious, threaten with arrest, and ultimately discharge honorable soldiers who only wanted to serve their goddamn country." DADT is the largest black mark on the Clinton presidency, and why he's on my Top 20 of worst presidents.

NewportBarGuy: It's so much easier to keep your mouth shut, be the gray man, and do your time. Whole lot less hassle.

Problem with that is it doesn't always work that way. Personally, I'm still not sure who got the ball rolling in my case, but let's just say that "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" don't mean shiat if the wrong person hears the right rumor about you.

Besides, being the gray man is a good way to get through basic training, but it's a hell of a way to go through life.

Guy says to another, "You wanna be the wife or the husband?"

Other dude:"Husband!"

-Then get on yo' knees and suck yo' wife's dick!

/Really surprised this hasn't been posted yet.
//Obligatory

Corydon: Problem with that is it doesn't always work that way. Personally, I'm still not sure who got the ball rolling in my case, but let's just say that "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" don't mean shiat if the wrong person hears the right rumor about you.


No doubt, each unit, hell, each platoon and squad is different. We all knew our medic was gay, but he was just AWESOME at his job. No one cared. You also have to have a solid CO who willing fight for you if someone zeros in on you, I was lucky to have a few awesome COs. If I were gay, they would not have given a shiat.

Corydon: Besides, being the gray man is a good way to get through basic training, but it's a hell of a way to go through life.

Oh, no doubt. I'm totally a different person in the civilian world. I just found it a whole lot easier to shut my mouth and do the "Roger that, Sarn't" thing. They left me alone, and I just did the tasks assigned.

Sorry to hear you had a bad go of it. It really should be a non-issue unless it impacts job performance. But that goes for the straight folks as well. Fraternization between male NCOs and female privates is rampant. No one seems to care about that.

I don't get it. It seems like they he wants the army to say something to him. Is he trying to get kicked out by making a statement? and if he is, shouldn't he be glad that it's not being treated as a big deal?

It doesn't seem to add up for me.

Hey, he might be a queer, but we can't get anyone else to go kill the ragheads for us

/sarcasm
//for me, not for those at the top

This may sound awful, but I think it's close to reality. If he gets hurt, I imagine that he'd be drummed out pretty quickly, so no costs are incurred caring for him.

JerkyMeat 2008-01-11 10:58:15 PM
The homosexual sex act should be a basic requirement to get into the military. Are you hardcore or what? I mean, if you can't take it up the arse or dish it out, how tough are you? I would think it would take a strong character to be proud of it. Anyone can bang a chick, come on.
/not ghey


"Now, hold on, team. Gary has already proven to me that he is 100 percent commited to the team. He proved it to me last night by sucking my c@ck."

The Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy was good for the time. The morals of society have become more permissive, and there needs to be a policy shift to suit.

Gotta love the hypocrisy of this military. Rules are Rules and they must be followed, unless of course we're low in the bodycounts.

But considering they're taking highschool dropouts, and any other bottom of the barrel candidates, being gay doesn't look nearly as bad as it once did.

For all you tossers who have a problem with DADT, learn a bit of history; it was a compromise to allow homosexuals to serve in the military without people investigating their lives. Clinton (*spooky noises*) wanted to allow gays to serve openly, but our farked up society was even further back in the sexual dark ages than it is now. One of Bill's greatest strengths was his ability to get what he could when he couldn't get what he wanted. Before DADT, they could nail you on suspicion; now more people are enlightened enough that Bill's original wishes may just come to fruition.

NewportBarGuy:
There were also at least 5 attempts I know of in basic where guys made agreements to suck each other off in the showers or their barracks room right before the Drill Sgt. would check in. None of it worked. Ever.

Well THAT would be annoying. I'd take a shot in the mouth to get out of the army, but to NOT get out of the army... aaaaawkward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np6_b-72H3E


Bill Hicks on gays in the military...nsfw language