I never trusted that guy.

Wouldn't be the first time he reneged.

Hub? isnt that info public anyway?

I'm on that list and I haven't heard from anyone. I'm actually shocked that I haven't heard from McCain in months, considering when he was in dire straights they called me nearly every day.

/gave a $50 in 2000

Well, it will only screw people who donated money to him.

Suckers.

so did obama win the election by default yet?

Biggest Flip-Flop EVAR!!11!!!1

When pressed about this latest controversy, Senator McCain responded, "What's all this about an Inter-net again? Go away, you! Aw, go on already!"

/the man use to be a badass, wtf happend?

First it was Ron Paul assassination submissions, now it's McCain assassination submissions.

Careful, it's starting to get a little transparent around here.

USP .45: First it was Ron Paul assassination submissions, now it's McCain assassination submissions.

Careful, it's starting to get a little transparent around here.

Speaking of transparent.

RobertBruce: Hub? isnt that info public anyway?

Yup.

opensecrets.org is a good source, or would be if it didn't seem to be down currently.

fec.gov is the obvious primary source to consult. 58,383 individual donors are presently listed for Sen. McCain's present presidential bid -- with names, addresses (on the linked forms), stated occupation, amount, date.

Must have been a temporary glitch. opensecrets seems to be back up.

Let me get this straight. A politician's donor list has a value to it because it can be sold to other politicians who can also use it to raise money, thus making it acceptable for collateral in obtaining a loan?

The profile of a campaign contributor is similar to the profiles of other intended targets... uh, I mean consumers. There are lots of places that would want access to that information - life insurance companies, investment bankers, basically anyone who mooches off people with significant disposable income.

USP .45: First it was Ron Paul assassination submissions, now it's McCain assassination submissions.

Careful, it's starting to get a little transparent around here.

As subby and a fervent Ron Paul supporter, I find this very amusing.

As for the value of the list, I'm fairly positive that the FEC filings (which only include donors over $200) don't include any contact information, just a name, a (totally unverified) employer, and a zip code.



/Drew has donated $1,000 to Ron Paul
//and McCain's hardly been the target of an unfair amount of negative greenlights

Churchill2004:
As for the value of the list, I'm fairly positive that the FEC filings (which only include donors over $200) don't include any contact information, just a name, a (totally unverified) employer, and a zip code.

Full addresses are included on the Schedule A, Itemized Receipts forms, which are accessible via the FEC web site. It's true that small donors aren't listed in detail, 'tho.

You're not supposed to use the individuals' records for commercial purposes, it seems -- http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/saleuse.shtml. So apparently you're not supposed to sell mail-order holy water to those who contributed $1000+ to Huckabee, or so forth.

Whatsleft: USP .45: First it was Ron Paul assassination submissions, now it's McCain assassination submissions.

Careful, it's starting to get a little transparent around here.

Speaking of transparent.

Oh noes, I have an opinion.

This is Farc, not FARC.

USP .45: Whatsleft: USP .45: First it was Ron Paul assassination submissions, now it's McCain assassination submissions.

Careful, it's starting to get a little transparent around here.

Speaking of transparent.

Oh noes, I have an opinion.

This is Farc, not FARC.

Your opinions = correct and justified
Opinions of those submitting and greenlighting these articles = OMG character assassination conspiracy!!!11

RON PAUL WINS SC DEBATE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sICXSaiQExE p2nw/t

Out of 6 candidates, Paul came away with 32%, the next closest only had 22%

phillydrifter: RON PAUL WINS SC DEBATE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sICXSaiQExE p2nw/t

Out of 6 candidates, Paul came away with 32%, the next closest only had 22%

Haha you people are so sad.

Actually I'd love to see if that's official, I showed you the youtube vid showing it...

rawstory.com's last update was at just after 1600 hours last night, meaning 4 pm, and their headline was 'McCann leads'...

I was just watching the start of 'The Today Show' on NBC10 while I was boiling water for tea and they glossed over the topics they were covering in their first hour:
bush praying in jesus' homeland (puke, there is no god, get over it)
the today show cast carpooled this morning (bfd)
tornado touched down in...Oregon or Washington state, can't remember which
and like a 2 second blurb about the SC debate, but they didn't say who won it, and I'd really like to know, gfd

why is it sad, FuriousGeorge? Because I actually believe the Constitution was a well-written document that has already been shat on for at least 100 years with our racist drug laws?

Or is that the best you can come up with?

Hey hey, it's official. Don't mind FuriousGeorge, he's just eating crow with egg on his face.

Ron Paul wins SC Republican Debate, Sean Hannity eats Boloney Sandwich

John McCain lie? Unpossible.

phillydrifter: Hey hey, it's official. Don't mind FuriousGeorge, he's just eating crow with egg on his face.

Ron Paul wins SC Republican Debate, Sean Hannity eats Boloney Sandwich

You're posting an opinion article from a football blog as proof of who won a political debate?

It appears that short youtube vid refers to the Fox text message poll, where Paul did indeed win 32%, from people who evidently watched the SC debate. (I got that from reading that Baloney sammich link I just posted.

The rest of the GOP are in denial.

phillydrifter: Hey hey, it's official. Don't mind FuriousGeorge, he's just eating crow with egg on his face.

Ron Paul wins SC Republican Debate, Sean Hannity eats Boloney Sandwich

Wait, do you really believe that there are "official" winners and losers of presidential debates? And that these official winners are decided by a Fox News text message poll?

I... I really don't know what to say.

What the fark do you think the point of the polls are? What were the points of the Iowa caucus and the New Hampshire primary, which Kucinich has asked for a recount of, because it highlights the very real possibility of wide and systematic voter fraud?

If they weren't important, they wouldn't take place, no?

KickahaOta: You're posting an opinion article from a football blog as proof of who won a political debate?

Do you have something better? Please, share it with us.

phillydrifter: The rest of the GOP are in denial.

Look, I like Ron Paul and all, but if you honestly believe that he won based on an SMS text messaging poll then you need to have your head examined. Ron Paul's supporters are Internet tough guys who gather in groups at the drop of a hat for the express purpose of spamming online and text messaging polls to make it appear he has more support than he really does. I would love it if Ron Paul won legitimately, but the fact of the matter is that aside from a few really crazy people, he's barely a blip on anyone's radar.

From the focus group after the debate a majority of the people thought Paul did bad. I personally thought it was his best one yet (not that that is saying much). The phone polls get spammed every time. I do not know why Fox even tries them.

Now that I think of it, in the NH bus debate they did not do a phone poll. They only do it with debates involving RP.

Yeah, just a blip on a radar that raised more money for his campaign from donations from the public than any other GOP candidate. And wow that was some straw man you put up, just for little old me.

As if an article about the GOP debate in SC on a football website makes the Fox news text message poll any less relevant...they watched the debate, they texted their choice, had nothing to do with football, just happens that the only relevant google search I found so far was there.

Hmm...'more support than he really does,'...how do you know how much support he has? Could you fill me in, cuz I'd love to know. Isn't that the purpose of polling?

I can't wrap my head around how you can deny that he received more $$ in donations to his campaign than any other GOP candidate last quarter, how you (not you in particular, but Paul bashers) continually call Paul supporters 'fringe voters' or any other vaguely derogatory term that comes off with negative connotations of us 'Paulites' you can think of in an attempt to make us feel weird or wrong in some way for supporting a guy who wants to restore the Constitution and states rights for christ sake!

And yeah, whoa, look at me spam, I came back and made more posts to clarify what I'd said earlier, and, you know, it was 3 am, 4 am, not a lot of people farking at that hour, especially in fark.com/politics.

Sorry if the fact that I come back to defend myself after people contest my posts gives you the impression I'm a 'spammer.'

Non-issue. McCain really needed the money.

phillydrifter

He has motivated support, just not nearly enough to make a difference in the GOP primary. He's not going to win and there's no conspiracy stopping him.

phillydrifter: I can't wrap my head around how you can deny that he received more $$ in donations to his campaign than any other GOP candidate last quarter, how you (not you in particular, but Paul bashers) continually call Paul supporters 'fringe voters' or any other vaguely derogatory term that comes off with negative connotations of us 'Paulites' you can think of in an attempt to make us feel weird or wrong in some way for supporting a guy who wants to restore the Constitution and states rights for christ sake!

Jesus was an extreterrestrial.

McCain did well in the debates last night.
You can't begrudge McCain for using the numbers as collateral. The numbers are only in jeopardy if he loses momentum and falls behind in fund raising. He probably figures, and correctly so, he will be in good financial condition after his win in New Hampshire. His war chest should replenish as people clamor to his campaign.

I hope he is in this until the end. I think McCain ultimately is the only viable candidate to run against the democrats the republicans have fielded. He's the only candidate on the republican side that doesn't get a visceral reaction of disdain from across the aisle. He has shown he can be bi-partisan throughout his career. The swing-independent vote is going to be crucial. McCain is the only one I think that can hope to harness those votes

Some of the other candidates shined as well. Whatever your thoughts on Ron Paul might be he stood undaunted and wasn't cowed by his opposition at the debates. I was impressed by his tenacity and wonder if he might surprise the pundits come February 5th. I doubt he will win outright any of the primaries in play. But perhaps he will make a startling showing and need to be reckoned with. The debates showed one thing for certain. He definitely isn't going quiet into the night.

I thought Fred Thompson showed some wit during this debate absent from other appearances I've seen him in thus far. Huckabee handled questions on his religious beliefs rather impressively. I believe there's a long road ahead for both party's primaries.
The winners this year should definitely be put through their paces before all is said and done.

He really has not sold the fundraising list. Your information is secure as long as you keep giving. So remember kids if you do not want to be woken up by phone calls at 1 am, keep give to John.

phillydrifter
Spam might not have been the best term earlier. RP could have eatten a raw kitten on stage and still recieve 30% of the text vote. But he would recieve those numbers even with a one person one vote scenerio. His supporters are that dedicated. That is good but when it comes to the text vote and online votes, it really does not give a snapshot of what america really thinks. A majority of people are lazier than your typical RP supporter.

Kilmore_Trout: Wouldn't be the first time he reneged.

Are you saying he's a renegger?

Shaggy_C: Kilmore_Trout: Wouldn't be the first time he reneged.

Are you saying he's a renegger?


We had a deal. Are you reneging out of the deal? Are you reneging? That's a renege.

Shaggy_C: Kilmore_Trout: Wouldn't be the first time he reneged.

Are you saying he's a renegger?

Would you vote for John McCain if you found out that he renegged?

Saiga410: Would you vote for John McCain if you found out that he renegged?

I heard his illegitimate child is half renegger!

Shaggy_C: Saiga410: Would you vote for John McCain if you found out that he renegged?

I heard his illegitimate child is half renegger!

Renegger, please.

He's that "renegger guy".

phillydrifter Quote 2008-01-11 07:46:32 AM
What the fark do you think the point of the polls are? What were the points of the Iowa caucus and the New Hampshire primary, which Kucinich has asked for a recount of, because it highlights the very real possibility of wide and systematic voter fraud?

If they weren't important, they wouldn't take place, no?


Look dude, nothing against or for Ron Paul here, but if you think that there is any real relation between a sientifically conducted statistical poll which follows statistical methodology to provide an accurate summary of people's opinions....

and a farking TEXT MESSAGE "poll" done by a news site, you are crazy. The two things aren't related at all. The Fox News site is more of a survey, if anything, but is wholly unlike a a Zogby poll of voters opinions.

I hope he is in this until the end. I think McCain ultimately is the only viable candidate to run against the democrats the republicans have fielded. He's the only candidate on the republican side that doesn't get a visceral reaction of disdain from across the aisle.

I know a lot of independants and liberals who liked McCain over the years, but very few like him now.

He might not be as disdained as a nutjob like Rudy "9/11" Giuliani or Mitt "Used Car Salesman" Romney, but he is pretty hated.

He spent his whole career pissing off the republican base and acting like a moderate republican. Then the second he runs for president this time he flip flops around and starts courting people like Jerry Fallwell and sucking up to the worst parts of the republican base.

I think it is pretty impossible to believe he has any integrity anymore.

Combine that with the fact he wants us to have troops in iraq for the next 100 years, and I'm not sure how viable he really is as a candidate anymore.

Jacobin

Damn. I totally forgot about that little stroll through the markets with a bevy of troops and a couple of blackhawks. Just to show how safe it was. Expect that on heavy rotation if this joker wins the nomination.

And the apologists will spin it into how brave he was and how dumb the libtards are for not understanding how awesome president mccain will be.

phillydrifter: Hmm...'more support than he really does,'...how do you know how much support he has? Could you fill me in, cuz I'd love to know.

They're called primaries and caucuses, and several have already happened. I'm sure there's some sports betting websites out there that have covered them if you want to learn more.

phillydrifter: As if an article about the GOP debate in SC on a football website makes the Fox news text message poll any less relevant

I don't think it is actually possible to make a fox news text message poll any less relevant.