Why wouldn't he be? She's the easiest opponent for Republicans to beat.

TheConvincingSavant: Why wouldn't he be? She's the easiest opponent for Republicans to beat.

Amazing. The only time you have ever convinced me of anything. You truly are an idiot savant.

TheConvincingSavant: Why wouldn't he be? She's the easiest opponent for Republicans to beat.

Then why would Rove publicly appear to be on her side?

You don't know how to play the game, do you?

Why wouldn't he be? She's the Democrat most likely to continue the Republican policies in the Middle East.

Whether she wins the election or just the nomination the Republicans get control again.

/Kucinich 08
//Or Obama
///Gravel
//Pretty much anybody else 08

TheConvincingSavant [TotalFark] Quote 2008-01-10 06:13:44 PM
Why wouldn't he be? She's the easiest opponent for Republicans to beat.

This.

Because of course nothing would win you Democratic primaries more than being on the same side as Karl Rove.

"Let's give them the illusion of change by letting the pendulum swing to our Democratic candidate for eight years!" - some neo-con mofo.

timujin: Why wouldn't he be? She's the Democrat most likely to continue the Republican policies in the Middle East.

We need to invade Iran to ensure our national security. By "national security", I mean Haliburton's job security. You're not sexist, are you?

/someone had to go there
//Obama '08

She's unelectable, of course he is. Sheesh, you people are such rubes.

Great. The guy who almost engineered the Republican Party out of existence.

Of course Rove wants Hillary to win.

A Hillary nomination is about the only freaking way the Republicans win the White House in November. Either Edwards or Obama would win in a landslide against any potential GOP opponent, so Rove and the rest of the Republicans are rooting hard to face-off against Hillary.

/obvious

Cowboy Spencer: Great. The guy who almost engineered the Republican Party out of existence.

In this case, I think historians will have the call -- I think the downward spiral is not finished, yet, for the Republicans.

On the other hand, Rove (widely despised among the Democratic base) coming out and publicly attacking Obama in the WSJ could cause the Dem base to rally around Obama, since anyone Rove is against must be good.

/but Rove, being a smart man, would surely know this, so he can definitely not choose the glass in front of him

option 1) Hillary nomination guarantees that anyone the R's put up will win

Option 2) This is the kiss of death for Hillary

Option 3) Rove hates Darkies

Alright then, don't use reverse psychology.

ilambiquated: Timeo Daneos, et dona ferentes.

Nice. I learned something today.

TheConvincingSavant: Why wouldn't he be? She's the easiest opponent for Republicans to beat.

A little bit of this . . .

timujin: Why wouldn't he be? She's the Democrat most likely to continue the Republican policies in the Middle East.

. . . and a little bit of that. These are not inconsistent views, and they both likely contain a significant amount of truth.

ilambiquated: Timeo Daneos, et dona ferentes.

Agreed. The USA would be a whole lot safer with this crooked bastard in jail, or at the end of a rope, preferably the latter.

TheConvincingSavant: Why wouldn't he be? She's the easiest opponent for Republicans to beat.

of course.

And it doesn't hurt that she's the most republican of the democrats running.

Fit sonitus spumante salo; iamque arva tenebant,
ardentesque oculos suffecti sanguine et igni,
sibila lambebant linguis vibrantibus ora.

...and their burning eyes were suffused with blood and fire...

DarnoKonrad, varmitydog

Dang, I'm not being obscure enough for you guys. Must try harder!

Not really, Subby.

This is a link to his actual op-ed. Its really more an analysis of why Hillary beat expectations in NH, and predictions and analysis of coming primaries.

Fairly well done, I might add.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119992615845679531.html?mod=opinion_main_comment aries

If Karl Rove wants to contribute something the the country, he should start by explaining his legacy.

If not, he should STFU.

I can't believe people are still listening to him. He was famous in the 60s for searching through dumpsters looking for dirt to smear his political opponents.

Actually, it reads in part like an open letter to the Clintons on strategy:

For someone who talks about a new, positive style of politics and pledges to be true to his word, Mr. Obama too often practices the old style of politics, saying one thing and doing another. He won't escape criticism on all this easily. But the messenger and the message need to be better before the Clintons can get all this across. Hitting Mr. Obama on his elementary school essays won't cut it.

I think its pretty clear he wants Hillary to win it.

gilgigamesh Enkidu or bust

Rove is just addressing the Repub's who are to disgusted with there own party. He knows they don't like any candidate being offered up right now because the only ones that are conservative are also "nutballs" in the mainstream.

He knows these people are resigned to a Dem winning in '08 and is trying to influence them to vote for Hillary.

twistofsin: Rove is just addressing the Repub's who are to disgusted with there own party. He knows they don't like any candidate being offered up right now because the only ones that are conservative are also "nutballs" in the mainstream.

He knows these people are resigned to a Dem winning in '08 and is trying to influence them to vote for Hillary.

Just out of curiosity, who would you consider a conservative that isn't a nutball?

Perhaps it's a "divide and Conquer" strategy. Make it harder for the Dems to unify behind any one person.

DarnoKonrad: Just out of curiosity, who would you consider a conservative that isn't a nutball?

Clinton
Romney
Bloomberg (if he runs)
Obama

Did you mean Republican?

Hillary's attacks on Obama for his 2004 comments on Iraq are ridiculous. They were taken completely out of context and from around the time of the nominating convention, when both Kerry and Edwards voted for the war. Obama obviously wasn't going to blast the nominees and then give the keynote speech, so he gave some sorta wishywashy answers about how the case for war didn't look like it was proven from his perspective but maybe Kerry and Edwards knew something he didn't at the time. The whole thing is clearly explained and debunked here. (new window)

Moreover, the attacks demonstrate something that has been true about the Clintons since 1992: Their top priority is keeping themselves in power, and they have very little concern for how the party as a whole is doing.

Who knows, between this and Hillary backer Andrew Cuomo saying Obama shucks and jives, women might go back to Obama.

TFA isn't discussing some anti-Obama hit-piece by Rove, but fairly well done discussion of how Hillary overcame a serious deficit to win. In describing Hillary exploiting Obama's weaknesses, he *gasp* actually mentioned those weaknesses. Calling him "with the Hillary campaign" is akin to saying a sportswriter is a coach of the Colts because he wrote about why they will beat the Patriots or that person supports terrorism because he thinks the US can't win in Iraq.

Uncle Karl takes his walking papers from the Neocons. The Klintons are proven to be neocon friendly.

Obviously Rove wants Hillary to win. Didn't he just rig the NH primary with his buddies at Diebold?

quizybuck: TFA isn't discussing some anti-Obama hit-piece by Rove, but fairly well done discussion of how Hillary overcame a serious deficit to win. In describing Hillary exploiting Obama's weaknesses, he *gasp* actually mentioned those weaknesses. Calling him "with the Hillary campaign" is akin to saying a sportswriter is a coach of the Colts because he wrote about why they will beat the Patriots or that person supports terrorism because he thinks the US can't win in Iraq.

People are saying he's with the Hillary campaign because he's basically taken her talking points that ridiculously distort Obama's record and is running with them as facts. The characterizations of his position on Iraq are taken grossly out of context and it is ridiculous that Clinton of all candidates would try to attack someone on the issue of Iraq. Take a look at the link in my previous post for the actual explanation of his "position" in 2004.
Saying he hasn't taken a leadership position on any issues in the Senate is an outright lie. He teamed with Feingold to put together a comprehensive ethics reform bill, he's worked hard to improve oversight by allowing the public to easily track federal spending with Link and he's worked with Lugar on a bill to promote alternative energies and reduce dependence on foreign fuels.
The 'present' votes on things like abortion and gun control while in Illinois are a bit harder to defend, but it seems like the way Hillary is attacking him for them is all wrong. There's no doubt that they were done as part of a democratic party strategy in Illinois to give political cover on some controversial issues to young senators who weren't completely "safe" for re-election. Clinton is trying to portray it has him being unsure on those issues, which just isn't true. His present votes on legislation about abortion were supported by Illinois Planned Parenthood, and his votes on gun control were supported by Illinois Council Against Gun Violence.

h to the 'ojo: DarnoKonrad: Just out of curiosity, who would you consider a conservative that isn't a nutball?

Clinton
Romney
Bloomberg (if he runs)? (I don't know the dude)
Obama

Did you mean Republican?

Heh.

Romney is a nutball.
I don't know anything about Bloomberg.
Obama has a record in Illinois that is very appealing to liberals such as myself.

With Rove and Diebold on her side, Hillary will be unstoppable until the general election when they switch over to the Republican candidate.

TheConvincingSavant: Why wouldn't he be? She's the easiest opponent for Republicans to beat.

THIS.

/thread over...dead from the start...

Keep it up, Clinton voters. If you get Hillary to be the Democratic candidate you've doomed us all. Don't say I didn't warn you.

TheConvincingSavant: Why wouldn't he be? She's the easiest opponent for Republicans to beat.

At least she never lied and claimed to be a Marine.

Why does the media report every word out of Rove's mouth, when all he does is talk a bunch of partisan nonsense?

Karl Rove? You mean he hasn't been swallowed in a sulferous pit of brimstone yet?

Imagine that!

SilentStrider: TheConvincingSavant: Why wouldn't he be? She's the easiest opponent for Republicans to beat.

of course.

And it doesn't hurt that she's the most republican of the democrats running.

Exactly. With Hillary, it's win-win for the Republicans. Even if she wins the Presidency, she'll back much ('though not all) of their "interventionist" foreign policy and much of their corporatist domestic agenda. And they get to wail and moan and gnash their teeth and play the eternal victim regarding the dirty "liberal" in the White House for at least four years. The beltway media will, of course, corroborate this meme, and they'll push the Washington political scene even farther to the right than it already is.

But go ahead: listen to Rove and vote Hillary, ladies. He knows what's best for you.

Interestingly enough News corp (parent company of foxnews and owned by the evil Rupert Murdoch) has given more money to Hillary than to any republican.

Check it out Link (new window)

skyrous: Interestingly enough News corp (parent company of foxnews and owned by the evil Rupert Murdoch) has given more money to Hillary than to any republican.

Check it out Link (new window)
If I wasn't drinking, I'd check those facts. If I had a map, I'd just navigate the linked site.

Karl Rove is a felon.

That means he should be working in the White House or at least campaigning for a fellow Republican.

I hope the candidates take a pledge of "No Pardons" for Bush, Cheney and other felonious employees of the White House.

Walt_Jizzney: Perhaps it's a "divide and Conquer" strategy. Make it harder for the Dems to unify behind any one person.

It's also about making the election discussion about Karl Rove and not about any Republican candidate. That helped Bush immensely. People kept going on about Karl Rove and forgot he wasn't the one running for president.

Karl Rove is just trying to help his Republican party.