Annoyed by nosy evangelical Christians who really ought to be spending more time praying in their closets where only God and the baby Jeebus can see them, perhaps. The regular Christians I'm cool with.

Anyway, I like the idea of an afterlife in Hell. It'll be full of my kind of people. You just know that some of the more bastardly Popes could throw a good party, after all.

soze: Annoyed by nosy evangelical Christians who really ought to be spending more time praying in their closets where only God and the baby Jeebus can see them, perhaps. The regular Christians I'm cool with.

Anyway, I like the idea of an afterlife in Hell. It'll be full of my kind of people. You just know that some of the more bastardly Popes could throw a good party, after all.

I would hope Satan would realize my potential and move me up to a management position quickly.

Wanted for questioning.

I wish this were true, but SUBBY FAILS.

FTFA:
A new survey of U.S. adults who don't go to church, even on holidays finds... 44% agree with the statement "Christians get on my nerves."

So, it is 44% of the 22% that never go to church, which means its only 9.6% of the total population.

dletter: I wish this were true, but SUBBY FAILS.

FTFA:
A new survey of U.S. adults who don't go to church, even on holidays finds... 44% agree with the statement "Christians get on my nerves."

So, it is 44% of the 22% that never go to church, which means its only 9.6% of the total population.

lol

soze: Anyway, I like the idea of an afterlife in Hell. It'll be full of my kind of people. You just know that some of the more bastardly Popes could throw a good party, after all.

Dude, when I get there, I intend to reform the place. A few heat engines, some climate control, and it's a resort. Hot springs baths, succubi/incubi/whatever for massages, massive orgies with no fear of STDs, the most decadent and unhealthy foods you ever ate... it'll be awesome.

Of course, first this means getting this Lucifer fella to retire. Might take some convincing. But it'll sure make Armageddon awkward for the other team. People get Raptured, everyone gets ready for Hell's gates to open and cause Bad Things all over... and the demons simply don't show up.

Since I'll be ruling Hell at that point, God will come to me claiming breach of contract. At that point I will remind him that I have all the lawyers.

soze: Annoyed by nosy evangelical Christians who really ought to be spending more time praying in their closets where only God and the baby Jeebus can see them, perhaps.

Didn't work out too well for Carrie White and her mum.

A new survey of U.S. adults who don't go to church, even on holidays, finds 72% say "God, a higher or supreme being, actually exists." But just as many (72%) also say the church is "full of hypocrites."

Indeed, 44% agree with the statement "Christians get on my nerves."

Just a few contextual facts before we set out for Gomorrah.

Alright Jim, floor it.

Article will not load. I still like that Twilight Zone episode that has Hal Linden (as a hippie) in Hell watching a slide show of an old couple and he ask if this place is hell and another one (square) watching the slide show thinks it's heaven. That is my favorite episode.

FTA: "We no longer have a home-field advantage as Christians in this culture."

Oh, and on the off chance Bevets might show up, I'm repeating in advance my request that he indicate which, if any, of my Articles Of Faith he doesn't agree with:

1) The principles of Propositional Calculus;
2) The Zermelo-Fraenkel Axioms of Set Theory (Axiom of Choice aside; take it or leave it as you prefer);
3) The Objective Principle, that what we Observe via our senses bears some relation to the Universe Observed;
4) The Strong Church-Turing Universe Thesis - that the Universe is not a Hypercomputer, but only Turing-machine or less complex.

Sorry to bother the rest of y'all by waving my faith about. =)

bringbackwhatshappening: Article will not load.

Link to PR piece underlying it. Also, Possibly detailed PPT, courtesy Lifeway Research.

This should be good.

Count me in that number.

abb3w
Oh, and on the off chance Bevets might show up...

I thought he only trolled threads dealing with evolution so he could post his quotes without ever having to actually debate.

clancifer: I thought he only trolled threads dealing with evolution so he could post his quotes without ever having to actually debate.

He's actually tried to make a coherent point now and then of late, rather than merely quote-trolling, and does turn up every now and again in threads founded on religion but not evolution.

FTFA: Just 52% agree on the essential Christian belief that "Jesus died and came back to life."

And 61% say the God of the Bible is "no different from the gods or spiritual beings depicted by world religions such as Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.," although Buddhist philosophy has no god and Hindus worship many.

Whole lot of stupid there.

Christians amuse me, until they get political. That's why we have separation of church and state.

Born2late: FTFA: Just 52% agree on the essential Christian belief that "Jesus died and came back to life."

And 61% say the God of the Bible is "no different from the gods or spiritual beings depicted by world religions such as Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.," although Buddhist philosophy has no god and Hindus worship many.

Whole lot of stupid there.

Christians amuse me, until they get political. That's why we have separation of church and state.

Boy, everyone is missing the point here.

Once again, ALL of the percentages in this article are based on surveys of people who DO NOT REGULARLY GO TO CHURCH. Not of all Americans, and not Christians as a whole (although certainly some people who don't regularly go to church would probably still call themselves "Christian").

My guess is the roughly 10% of the U.S. who would say they are "Annoyed by Christians" are outwardly atheist.

A new survey of U.S. adults who don't go to church Indeed, 44% even on holidays, finds 72% say "God, a higher or supreme being, actually exists." But just as many (72%) also say the church is "full of hypocrites."

Indeed, 44% agree with the statement "Christians get on my nerves."...

More than one in five (22%) of Americans say they never go to church, the highest ever recorded by the General Social Survey, conducted every two years by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago. In 2004, the percentage was 17%.

Many of the unchurched are shaky on Christian basics, says LifeWay Research director Ed Stetzer.

Just 52% agree on the essential Christian belief that "Jesus died and came back to life."

22% of 44% would be 10% of the total population.

Bevets: 22% of 44% would be 10% of the total population.

Hah; called it... not that he responded to my request.

But anyway, um, no. The survey selected only the "unchurched" defined as "has not been to church within the past six months", and does not indicate the fraction of the population actually qualifying as "unchurched". The 22% "never go to church" fraction is actually of the "unchurched", from what the PowerPoint data suggests. Since I doubt the fraction of the "unchurched" is as high as 44% of the whole US population, it's actually probably less than 10%. However, I could be wrong; GIGO.

Heck, I go to Church fairly regularly for the holidays. Religion is effective for inculcating basic morals into young minds, and doing so reduces the number of family arguments.

Speaking for myself, I don't consider most forms of Christianity offensive; I just think they're wrong.

/Islam... is a different matter
//sorry

Hell is the place to be in the afterlife, where else will all the slutty chicks and drug dealers be?

cameroncrazy1984: This should be good.

I'll get the beer.

God hates fags... and shrimp.

It's like worshiping Aesop's Fables.

Atheism is a Religion.

At least half of those are christians annoyed by christians.

TheConvincingSavant: A new survey of U.S. adults who don't go to church, even on holidays, finds 72% say "God, a higher or supreme being, actually exists." But just as many (72%) also say the church is "full of hypocrites."

Indeed, 44% agree with the statement "Christians get on my nerves."

Just a few contextual facts before we set out for Gomorrah.

Alright Jim, floor it.

isn't there a saying? something about the worst enemies of the church are the christians?

as a non-denominational, not really currently practicing recovering southern baptist, i can say that christians are, hands down, the one thing that drove me out of church.

and, funny enough, the one thing that drove me out of the republican party.

i still believe in god, and i still believe in conservatism. i just can't stand self-righteous narrowmindedness.

I'll get the popcorn.

The number of people who claim to go to church is wildly exaggerated. Accordingly, this thread is useless

burndtdan: TheConvincingSavant: A new survey of U.S. adults who don't go to church, even on holidays, finds 72% say "God, a higher or supreme being, actually exists." But just as many (72%) also say the church is "full of hypocrites."

Indeed, 44% agree with the statement "Christians get on my nerves."

Just a few contextual facts before we set out for Gomorrah.

Alright Jim, floor it.

isn't there a saying? something about the worst enemies of the church are the christians?

as a non-denominational, not really currently practicing recovering southern baptist, i can say that christians are, hands down, the one thing that drove me out of church.

and, funny enough, the one thing that drove me out of the republican party.

i still believe in god, and i still believe in conservatism. i just can't stand self-righteous narrowmindedness.

Amen to that.

In other news, 44% of Americans are born with thinner-than-average skin.

Got me 2 Bibles, waiting on my Quran to come in the mail so I can burn them together

What's always amused me is that most American Christians, if they actually encountered Jesus - a liberal, socialist, anti-business, pro-sex Jew who hung around with hookers and lepers - would beat his queer loving, unpatriotic, hippy ass to the ground if not re-crucify him all over again.

In the least he'd be sent to Guantanamo or otherwise face "rendition" of some sort.

How on Earth did they get so far off message?

Maybe he has come back, taken a look around at how his message has been perverted and gotten the hell out of town as anybody as intolerant and backwards thinking as most fundies are just don't deserve to be saved.

P.S.

How do you think these folks will feel about heaven once they get there and realize that the whole joint is strictly Kosher?

I'm not annoyed by Christians. On the other hand, I would launch the right wing theocrats, to Mars in a new York minute.

A lot of Christians annoy me and I am one!

Letrole wrote:
Atheism is a Religion.

Good Job. I almost bit till I noticed your name.

My problems with religion:

-Way to control the populace

-Unrealistic in terms of theories (I'm sure we go somewhere after we die however, it's to be determined if it's Heaven or Hell. I don't think it's either.) But sorry, earth is not only a few thousand years old.

-Many followers are complete nuts.

-Separates people. If religion didn't "exist" humanity would fight much less.

-Gospel music blows.

-Some people try to foist it upon you. Fark off, I believe what I want, and some Jehova's Witness knocking on my door with pamphlets sure the hell isn't going to sway my position.

Christians annoy me.

/Christian
//recovering Baptist

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mahatma Ghandi

"Of all bad men religious bad men are the worst." --C.S. Lewis

The human race in the course of time has taken the liberty of softening and softening Christianity until at last we have contrived to make it exactly the opposite of what it is in the New Testament... --Soren Kierkegaard

Here's the site those last two came from (new window)

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

How do you figure this?

If I have to go to a full Catholic mass for a friend's wedding do I count as unchurched or not?

I even ate a Jeez-it so I matched all the other bridesmaids, but I'm not Catholic (or even Christian for that matter). It was dry and flavorless. I think the communion wafer should be flavored with something---blood flavored, maybe. It would make it really hit home what you're doing when you eat that thing. Taking part in ritualized human sacrifice and metaphorical cannibalism and all.

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

Pixiest: Good Job. I almost bit till I noticed your name.


My surname is Le Trôle.

all i needed to see was that the numbers of people not going to church going up
yay for the death of iron age superstitions!

I don't give too much credence to surveys about religion (or any subject really). People constantly misrepresent themselves in these things. I know a ton of people that say they are Christian because they grew up celebrating Christmas and Easter, etc. In reality these people have never read the Bible, and haven't stepped foot in a Church in years. Nevertheless, they will still say they are Christian when asked to identify a religious affiliation.

burndtdan: i still believe in god, and i still believe in conservatism. i just can't stand self-righteous narrowmindedness.

I agree. I'm glad you stuck with your principles.

Pixiest: Letrole wrote:
Atheism is a Religion.

Good Job. I almost bit till I noticed your name.

Le Trole....

LMAO!!!

BTW, I just farted.

As a member of the "unchurched" I'm getting a kick...etc, etc.

\Is being "unchurched" like being "undead"?
\\might explain my hunger for BRAINZ

i dont go to church but the only people that annoy me are the ones who use religion to further their agenda or get votes.

the people who i know that go to church, regardless of their faith, are great people. except the few baptists i know.

but i still dont buy it- the world is what i observe

The Asshole Guy:

BTW, I just farted.

Oh, word?

I don't care what the Jesus freaks do as long as they don't interfere with the lives of others. Unfortunately we have an idiot leader who is a damned crusader trying to shove his beliefs down the throats of the rest of the world.

I'll tell you what gets on my nerves! Some religious fanatic banging on my door while I'm still half asleep trying to smother me with their religious pamphlets while I have a huge hangover. Those are the Christians (and cults) that annoy me...

Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are the worst!

Man, I'm post-happy tonight. I like this quote, too:

Evangelical Christianity, as everyone knows, is founded upon hate, as the Christianity of Christ was founded upon love.-- H. L. Mencken

Christians are annoying, but so are most people. At least they aren't Jews, we can all agree there.