Seems logical. Bin Laden has been safe as can be there for over four years.

/mission accomplished

simsite9: Seems logical. Bin Laden has been safe as can be there for over four years.

/mission accomplished

I though most people though bin Laden was in Pakistan?

Either way, it's been closer to 7 years since we invaded Afghanistan.

Wait, I thought we left Afghanistan in turmoil?

Stay in political unrest... or get shot by the Taliban / Americans...?

Decisions decisions

There will be peace in the middle east people!

Yeah, Uh huh.......

Can't be true. Afghanistan is a failing quagmire because of American imperialism.

If by people you mean midgets then I could see where downtown dave is going.

However I doubt this is the case because if there were hordes of midgets riding goats in a race across the border I'm assuming that someone, somewhere, would have already found a way to film it, make money off it and include it in porn.

Till then I'll just assume they're goat EATERS.

I wonder if they even know they crossed a border or care?

Sounds like it is part of an on-going Shia/Sunni conflict and has nothing to do with other world events.

Headline: News involving countries we're at war with.

Comment thread:

"Bush teh fayl, I dun like Buch!"

"U.S. American soldiers gonna shoot dem cuz they stupid n evil."

"Relevant comment to discussion"

"OMG inside job!"

"Yuh, Bu$h r bad."

Still seeing the area through artificial imperialist borders does nobody any good. Everyone ignores the imminentnooclear threat of Pakistan and India going toe to toe, because they're playing ball with the G8. Lucky they've been enacting a formalised conflict for decades in Kashmir, and have got steady enough heads to avoid nuking each other. For now, at least.

Still, I thought the Muhajadeen were our friends?

Sandrob57: Wait, I thought we left Afghanistan in turmoil?

Phaid: Can't be true. Afghanistan is a failing quagmire because of American imperialism.

It's amazing that the two of you haven't considered the possibility that
Afghanistan is in turmoil and that it is a failing quagmire but, with all
of it's faults, it may be better that Pakistan may become (or is) now.

Sometimes things are a bit more complicated than you may percieve if you gain
all of your incite from AM Talk Radio "personalities" and animated TV shows.

SemperLieSuckah: Headline: News involving countries we're at war with.

Comment thread:

"Bush teh fayl, I dun like Buch!"

"U.S. American soldiers gonna shoot dem cuz they stupid n evil."

"Relevant comment to discussion"

"OMG inside job!"

"Yuh, Bu$h r bad."

I was just wondering, are we reading the same thread?
Or, is that kneejerking disability you have acting up again?

Random Reality Check: It's amazing that the two of you haven't considered the possibility that
Afghanistan is in turmoil and that it is a failing quagmire but, with all
of it's faults, it may be better that Pakistan may become (or is) now.

Or that certain parts of Afghanistan may be safer right now than certain places in Pakistan, regardless of the overall condition pf the two countries.

Biological Ali: Random Reality Check: It's amazing that the two of you haven't considered the possibility that
Afghanistan is in turmoil and that it is a failing quagmire but, with all
of it's faults, it may be better that Pakistan may become (or is) now.

Or that certain parts of Afghanistan may be safer right now than certain places in Pakistan, regardless of the overall condition pf the two countries.

wut is tribal areaz lolol

I'm loving the media coverage which is madly pointing the finger at Mustache. Assassinating Bhutto was the worst political move he could have possibly made, and he's smart enough (and pragmatic enough) to know it.

Downtown Dave: Ha! Fleeing instead of fighting.

No wonder after thousands of years of civilization these people are still riding goats.

FTFA: "Hundreds of families, comprising some 6,000 mainly women and children, have been crossing the border."

Yeah, because what the civilized world really need, is a few more kids aged 8-12, equipped with an AK-47.

2/10, would ignore as senseless bullshiat again.

SemperLieSuckah

Good list, but you left out Random Reality Check wandering in and making pointless ad hominem posts.

simsite9
Seems logical. Bin Laden has been safe as can be there for over four years.

I thought we got Bin Laden. Isn't he the guy we found in a hole and then hung on a cell phone video?

I get confused. My New Year's resolution should be to watch more TV.

They're just looking to get high.

The UN refugee agency says clashes between Pakistan's Shia and Sunni groups have forced people to flee

i read this as bin ladin's crew battling the locals. perhaps they're growing tired of his shiat

SemperLieSuckah: Headline: News involving countries we're at war with.

If this is "war" what was World War 2? I don't remember declaring war on Afghanistan. Oh and NATOs taking over much of the actual fighting.

Comment thread:

"Bush teh fayl, I dun like Buch!"

"U.S. American soldiers gonna shoot dem cuz they stupid n evil."

"Relevant comment to discussion"

"OMG inside job!"

"Yuh, Bu$h r bad."

You forgot the part where you proudly wear a Chinese-made flag pin and put a Chinese-made "Support The Troops" ribbon on your car because that makes you a Manly Man.

You do realize that the Tribal Regions of Pakistan are a problem because we let the Taleban and Al Qaeda escape to them from Afghanistan because instead of using actual American soldiers to do the fighting, we instead asked Afghanis to do it for us.

Yes, Bush is "teh fail"

/hope the scary brown people don't give you nightmares. You must be so brave to support the President in his brilliant "strategery" despite the liberal scourge.
//How are the rest of the 25%ers?

Biological Ali: Random Reality Check: It's amazing that the two of you haven't considered the possibility that
Afghanistan is in turmoil and that it is a failing quagmire but, with all
of it's faults, it may be better that Pakistan may become (or is) now.

Or that certain parts of Afghanistan may be safer right now than certain places in Pakistan, regardless of the overall condition pf the two countries.

Biological Ali,

I'm glad you chimed in, I was starting to become concerned about you.
How are things where you are located? Is there still rioting going on?


Phaid: SemperLieSuckah

Good list, but you left out Random Reality Check wandering in and making pointless ad hominem posts.

Please do point out where SemperLieSuckah's list is relevant, I'm sure
someone who agrees with him should have no problem doing so.


bongmiester: The UN refugee agency says clashes between Pakistan's Shia and Sunni groups have forced people to flee

i read this as bin ladin's crew battling the locals. perhaps they're growing tired of his shiat

Can you provide any reasoning, any reasoning at all, for your analysis?


PC LOAD LETTER:,

Christ, what is this, incredible ignorance day here on fark?
Where the hell does all this misinformation come from?
Jesus, it's becoming an epidemic here.

Random Reality Check: Christ, what is this, incredible ignorance day here on fark?
Where the hell does all this misinformation come from?
Jesus, it's becoming an epidemic here.

Jesus is a seperate epidemic. Let's deal with one at a time.

That's probably because the Canadians have set up shop there. And we all know how nice they are...

>_>

Bored Horde

I'm loving the media coverage which is madly pointing the finger at Mustache. Assassinating Bhutto was the worst political move he could have possibly made, and he's smart enough (and pragmatic enough) to know it.

yeah, err, nil for effort, and nil for content.

just to give you a helping hand - firstly, musharraf hasn't shown himself to be a particularly smart politician. he has made many, many fundamental mistakes, which have seen his popularity descend massively and which have basically provoked the current crisis. secondly, it certainly was not the worst political move he could make. musharraf didn't want bhutto back, but agreed to have her back so long as she was a good girl and did what she was told. almost immediately, it became clear that that was not going to be the case and she was going to go after the fundies who musharraf needed as part of his support base



if you need any more help, just let me know

PC LOAD LETTER: SemperLieSuckah: Headline: News involving countries we're at war with.

If this is "war" what was World War 2? I don't remember declaring war on Afghanistan. Oh and NATOs taking over much of the actual fighting.

Comment thread:

"Bush teh fayl, I dun like Buch!"

"U.S. American soldiers gonna shoot dem cuz they stupid n evil."

"Relevant comment to discussion"

"OMG inside job!"

"Yuh, Bu$h r bad."

You forgot the part where you proudly wear a Chinese-made flag pin and put a Chinese-made "Support The Troops" ribbon on your car because that makes you a Manly Man.

You do realize that the Tribal Regions of Pakistan are a problem because we let the Taleban and Al Qaeda escape to them from Afghanistan because instead of using actual American soldiers to do the fighting, we instead asked Afghanis to do it for us.

Yes, Bush is "teh fail"

/hope the scary brown people don't give you nightmares. You must be so brave to support the President in his brilliant "strategery" despite the liberal scourge.
//How are the rest of the 25%ers?

I believe what his point is is that most of you people are so invested in hating bush and identifying yourself as a "TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT(tm)" that you don't contribute anything beneficial to the discussion and just trot out your anger, whether it be justified or not.

On a side note, if we can't get the Afghanis to believe in our quest in THEIR country get them to help us, we have lost no matter how matter how superior our troops may be. People don't appreciate being told they are inferior.

How bad are things in the U.S? People are fleeing to *Canadastan* for safety

But, but....there's American GIs in Afghanistan. It must be overflowing with Coca Cola and Hershey bars by now. I'm surprised they haven't been turning back people at the border for years.

This is Asia, people, not the mid-east.

hahaha

carniemechanic: This is Asia, people, not the mid-east.

Meh, the term "middle east" brings to mind that entire stretch of country between Arabia and the Indian border. It's become more of an anthropological term than a geographic one. It can be construed as accurate since you do know immediately who it refers to.

Sandwyrm: I believe what his point is is that most of you people are so invested in hating bush and identifying yourself as a "TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT(tm)" that you don't contribute anything beneficial to the discussion and just trot out your anger, whether it be justified or not.

On a side note, if we can't get the Afghanis to believe in our quest in THEIR country get them to help us, we have lost no matter how matter how superior our troops may be. People don't appreciate being told they are inferior.

Please feel free to point out this apparent, rampant Bush hatred, here in this thread.
The handy Ctrl-F "search" feature shows the first instance being SemperLieSuckah's post.
Or was it the mention of Bin Laden not being found with the Mission Accomplished quote?

Please do post what you feel are relevant quotes or are you simply
looking to repeat NeoCon talking points to be cool like the big boys?

Sandwyrm: carniemechanic: This is Asia, people, not the mid-east.

Meh, the term "middle east" brings to mind that entire stretch of country between Arabia and the Indian border. It's become more of an anthropological term than a geographic one. It can be construed as accurate since you do know immediately who it refers to.

The mid-east = anywhere that brown people will shoot me on sight amirite?

Random Reality Check:
bongmiester: The UN refugee agency says clashes between Pakistan's Shia and Sunni groups have forced people to flee

i read this as bin ladin's crew battling the locals. perhaps they're growing tired of his shiat

Can you provide any reasoning, any reasoning at all, for your analysis?

here's one of many
Link(pops)

"Al-Qaeda's ideology, often referred to as "jihadism," is marked by a willingness to kill "apostate" -and Shiite-Muslims and an emphasis on jihad. Although "jihadism" is at odds with nearly all Islamic religious thought, it has its roots in the work of two modern Sunni Islamic thinkers: Mohammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab and Sayyid Qutb"

Al-Qaeda is Sunni. They kill Shia.

I've got an idea....why not divide the geography creating two nations: one for Shia and the other for Sunni?



/unavailable for comment

Do you people actually believe that the people in these countries care that much about individual Americans as to shoot you on sight? No, the majority of these people are simply sick of being pushed around by their governments just like you would be.

Most Arabic people I saw when I visited over there were just your everyday citizen going to work, trying to make a living. Sure they have feelings about the United States, and they have feelings about the politics in their respective nations, but they aren't nearly as 'bloodthirsty' as the media wishes they could portray them.

Unfortunately showing people going about their day to day business, hoping their leaders don't make a dumb move so they can continue living without worrying about being bombed the next day doesn't get the best ratings. You can only show the crazy fundamentalists burning flags and beating dead bodies in the streets. Of course this only perpetuates the myth of "everyone" in the Middle East wanting to drink down your precious American blood.

Worked in another thread, so...

You might be from Afghanistan or Pakistan if:

...You refine heroin for a living, but you have a moral objection to beer.

...You own a $300 machine gun and $5,000 rocket launcher, but you can't afford shoes.

...You have more wives than teeth.

...You think vests come in two styles: bullet-proof and suicide.

...You've ever opened a can of falafel with a mortar round.

...You used a Stinger missile given to you by George Bush Sr. to shoot at a helicopter sent by George Bush Jr.

...You've ever had your camel repossessed.

...You can't think of anyone you HAVEN'T declared Jihad against.

...You consider television dangerous, but routinely carry ammunition in your robe.

...You've ever been asked, "Does this burka make my ass look fat?"

...You think "The Kite Runner" is the funniest book you ever read.

...You've felt the urge to rub one out after seeing a woman's exposed ankle.

...You were amazed to discover that cell phones have uses other than setting off roadside bombs.

...You've ever uttered the phrase, "I love what you've done with your cave."

...You wipe your ass with your bare left hand, but consider bacon "unclean."

phrawgh: Random Reality Check: Christ, what is this, incredible ignorance day here on fark?
Where the hell does all this misinformation come from?
Jesus, it's becoming an epidemic here.

Jesus is a seperate epidemic. Let's deal with one at a time.

Referring to a Jew as an 'epidemic'...what's next, Eugene? Ein Volk?

Great, how am I gonna get curry now?

Random Reality Check:
Please do post what you feel are relevant quotes or are you simply
looking to repeat NeoCon talking points to be cool like the big boys?

I wasn't specifically stating such was the case here, but I am seeing all the signs pointing to such occurrences present in the thread already and I'm pulling from my previous experiences in threads of similar subject matters.

I love how you imply I'm a child by saying I aim for approval from the "Neocons". Are you only comfortable debating politics with children?

We never would have won WWII if the typical Farker was alive back then.

Phaid: SemperLieSuckah

Good list, but you left out Random Reality Check wandering in and making pointless ad hominem posts.

welcome to the internet

I guess this will tell us how Bush's strategy of pissing off every ally we used to have that had money and battle ready troops is working.

It'd be nice to have a little help from allies. Unfortunately, they don't give a shiat about us any longer.

Brilliant!

computer wizard: There will be peace in the middle east people!

Yeah, Uh huh.......

Pakistan/Afghanistan are not a part of the Middle East you stupid Rooskie

degreeless:
The mid-east = anywhere that brown people will shoot me on sight amirite?

Don't apply your sentiments to my statement. If you wish to take that position, don't include me with the fallacy.

Nemo's Brother: We never would have won WWII if the typical Farker was alive back then.

I have a suggestion: stop watching the "History" channel, throw out the Time/Life "Rommel: the Desert Rat" books and understand what and who created Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich. Somebody payed for all those tanks, planes and weapons. Do you imagine it was the German people alone?

One minute, people are paying 100,000,000 Deutsche Marks for a loaf of bread, the next they are marching in the best equipped and organized army of its day.

How did the German economy manage such a miracle? Who funded the Nazi party, who traded with Nazi industrialists and loaned them money? I am asking you seriously.

These questions should concern you. Life is not always black and white, cops and robbers.

Many people don't seem to care about these details, preferring to dwell in the simple, Reader's Digest account of World War II. Why bother looking in to the issue when Tom Hanks will tell you all you need to know in two hours.

The goings-on in Pakistan and Afghanistan couldn't be less relevant to the REAL issues facing America. Loss of manufacturing jobs, the devaluing dollar and inflation, the trade defecit, etc.

Maybe our next "leader" won't be so hell-bent on winning a culture war for Jesus and we'll get back on track selling our cool stuff to salivating neanderthals worldwide.

cryptozoophiliac the answer is quite simple they switched everying to production whcih enabled nearly full employment , hilter also sold off many of Germany's gold reserves. stop trying to think there is a conspiracy in everything.

cryptozoophiliac: Nemo's Brother: We never would have won WWII if the typical Farker was alive back then.

I have a suggestion: stop watching the "History" channel, throw out the Time/Life "Rommel: the Desert Rat" books and understand what and who created Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich. Somebody payed for all those tanks, planes and weapons. Do you imagine it was the German people alone?

One minute, people are paying 100,000,000 Deutsche Marks for a loaf of bread, the next they are marching in the best equipped and organized army of its day.

How did the German economy manage such a miracle? Who funded the Nazi party, who traded with Nazi industrialists and loaned them money? I am asking you seriously.

These questions should concern you. Life is not always black and white, cops and robbers.

Many people don't seem to care about these details, preferring to dwell in the simple, Reader's Digest account of World War II. Why bother looking in to the issue when Tom Hanks will tell you all you need to know in two hours.

Why do the nut job conspiracists always ask crazy questions as if *they* know the answer but refuse to give you the answer?

Because they're NUT JOB CONSPIRACY JUNKIES!