I have not been heavily involved in singing the praises of the Nixon administration. But the case for impeaching Bush and Cheney is far stronger than was the case against Nixon and Vice President Spiro T. Agnew after the 1972 election. The nation would be much more secure and productive under a Nixon presidency than with Bush.

Indeed, has any administration in our national history been so damaging as the Bush-Cheney era?



Ouch.

I'm not sure that 35 years has changed America that much, only the direction of our national obsession, fear of other. With the Marshall plan having weakened and then vanquished the Soviets, we turned on ourselves. 9/11 was simply the catalyst setting the concrete of the self destruction. I don't know how or if we can recover. I hope we can.

George McGovern? Is there a more irrelevant, lib fossil than this guy?

Seriously-how many times does this guy have to wreck your party before you stop giving him the time of day?

Afternoon_Delight: Blah, blah, blah...

It's election year, 2008. Give it up, libtards.

Huh. This is the year you watch the Liberal Bashing Industry implode.

Enjoy!

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DistendedPendulusFrenulum: Afternoon_Delight: Blah, blah, blah...

It's election year, 2008. Give it up, libtards.

Huh. This is the year you watch the Liberal Bashing Industry implode.

Enjoy!

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Yep! This is the year! People around the country, declaring "I want my taxes higher, my health care allocated by the government, and militant Islam placated."

Who else is excited?

Afternoon_Delight:


Dream on...

It's happening even now--they have no consensus on who to hate. This is unprecedented.

Hope you have a good time watching the entire Conservative coalition fall apart.

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Afternoon_Delight is still around? What a glutton for punishment.

John Kerry. Do you give a fark what he says today? Imagine listening to him 30 years from now.

That's what McGovern is.

BravadoGT: Yep! This is the year! People around the country, declaring "I want my taxes higher, my health care allocated by the government, and militant Islam placated."

Who else is excited?

Having a party spend like drunkards is not a recipe for lower taxes. Strike one for the Republicans. Selling out the people of America to the healthcare and pharma industries doesn't exactly breed freedom of choice in health options. And refraining from poking a stick into hornets' nests is not the same as placating hornets.

Strike three.

Afternoon_Delight: Dream on...

Whoa! Hillary's a Mormon?

Sigh.



It's our moral imperative as Americans.

Funny how often people declare the death of democracy, yet every couple years we have this election thingy.... Oh, my bad. Those elections have sometimes not elected people in whom McGovern approves.

I think McGovern doesn't really understand this 'democratic representative republic' idea.


"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard." -H. L. Mencken

"Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude." - Alexis de Tocqueville.

Skleenar: It's our moral imperative as Americans.

Were you saying that in 2003, when it might have made a difference?

Hm last i checked were in the middle of an election. weve had tons of elections since bush took office. the minority party became the majority in 2006.

Yep thats some dead democracy right there.

libtards stfu.

TX-Law: Were you saying that in 2003, when it might have made a difference?

I am pretty sure I was.

Ask anyone in these threads. I've been a pretty long-time impeachment proponent, although I can't say what year I started pushing it in these threads. But I am pretty darn sure it was after the Iraq invasion and the games these guys played in the runup to the war started trickling out.

I am not sure why you feel it wouldn't have made a difference after that date. Care to explain your position?

The last two Presidential elections were rigged. The current administration has engaged in torture, illegal wiretapping, open-ended detention, elevated cronyism to an art form, and used ideological allegiance and religious belief as litmus tests to hold public office. So yeah, I'd say George has a point. And all you blinkered numbnuts who natter about "libtards" are just embedding yourselves like ticks on the ass-end of history, from which vantage point you'll get to watch the rest of us pointing back at you in years to come, and laughing.

/No stupid like Republican stupid.

Actually, "regime" or no, probably the most subtle task of this upcoming administration is to repeal the 22nd Amendment once and for all and most likely allow Bush back into office. I fully understand why they might avoid this needed mechanism because of the endless pelting from the libeal media regarding other high-profile policies we don't really need to discuss now.

The point is that this upcoming 4-year one-term President will be a herald for a future Bush Administration, mark my words here 01/06/2008.

Regardless if you are a liberal a conservative a democrate a republican a libertarian a librarian a peace corp member or a pawn shop owner you must admit that article was spot on.

If not please explain what part you disagree wiht or STFU.

QED

Skleenar: TX-Law: Were you saying that in 2003, when it might have made a difference?

I am pretty sure I was.

Ask anyone in these threads. I've been a pretty long-time impeachment proponent, although I can't say what year I started pushing it in these threads. But I am pretty darn sure it was after the Iraq invasion and the games these guys played in the runup to the war started trickling out.

I am not sure why you feel it wouldn't have made a difference after that date. Care to explain your position?

My position is that impeaching Bush/Cheney/etc. at this point seems fairly pointless. After 7 years of possibly the worst administration, what would you hope to accomplish by impeaching Bush now?

/hope that wasn't answering a question with a question.

Your Faith is Creepy: The last two Presidential elections were rigged.

Prove it!

TX-Law: My position is that impeaching Bush/Cheney/etc. at this point seems fairly pointless. After 7 years of possibly the worst administration, what would you hope to accomplish by impeaching Bush now?

Set a precedent that the American people will not let such behavior go unpunished or unrecognized.

You may have noticed that politicians are not the most trustworthy group of people in the world. I would hope that we could show some teeth in our Constitution to help prevent future offenses.

TX-Law: what would you hope to accomplish by impeaching Bush now?

Showing the world that america still believes in justice. Showing it's people that america still stands for freedom. Setting right what once went wrong. Restore our position as the greatest natoin on earth by standing up for what is right. That kind of thing.

No, claiming that the last two elections were "rigged" along with the so-called "abuses" of this administration just goes to show how the liberals really do have less than nothing on this President.

History will show Bush to be one of the greatest merely for the policies he's launched into being. I believe the term is "suck it, libs." We've been tired of doing it your way for years. It's time to shut up now, for a good while, it's looking like.

Shaggy_C: Your Faith is Creepy: The last two Presidential elections were rigged.

Prove it!



Next challenge?

skookum: History will show Bush to be one of the greatest merely for the policies he's launched into being.

I agree. He will be remembered as the greatest emperor the US has ever had.

What exacly are those policies though? I can't quite remember them off hand.

Skleenar: You may have noticed that politicians are not the most trustworthy group of people in the world. I would hope that we could show some teeth in our Constitution to help prevent future offenses.

Other presidents have been under impeachment hearings. Politicians continue to be snakes. Regardless, the Legislature has been under fire as the "do-nothing-est" Congress yet. Do you think Impeachment hearings would do much to change that? Especially as the whole country focuses on who will be our next president?

Magruda: Showing the world that america still believes in justice. Showing it's people that america still stands for freedom. Setting right what once went wrong. Restore our position as the greatest natoin on earth by standing up for what is right. That kind of thing.

There is an easier way. Go out and vote in November. Dubya isn't going to hit the big red button or institute the draft between now and then.

skookum: History will show Bush to be one of the greatest merely for the policies he's launched into being. I believe the term is "suck it, libs." We've been tired of doing it your way for years. It's time to shut up now, for a good while, it's looking like.

Yay for Kookum!

And quite frankly, being able to name those policies when asked should be a qualifying factor to vote, in a perfect system. But I've made my point here. The Republicans are going to elect a "placeholder President" as a staging ground for what most likely be a Jeb Bush White House scenario.

It should have been done 5 years ago, when it would have saved a lot more lives.

TX-Law: There is an easier way. Go out and vote in November. Dubya isn't going to hit the big red button or institute the draft between now and then.

I thought that was what we voted for in 06'. We got the best congress money can buy.

skookum: And quite frankly, being able to name those policies when asked should be a qualifying factor to vote, in a perfect system.

Yes, mine fuer.

skookum: The Republicans are going to elect a "placeholder President" as a staging ground for what most likely be a Jeb Bush White House scenario.

Nah, we'll riot.

I always have to stop and think which one is McGovern and which one is Wallace. I think it'd be news if George Wallace dissed the White House--and came out in favour of doing something about AGW.

skookum: The point is that this upcoming 4-year one-term President will be a herald for a future Bush Bill Clinton Administration, mark my words here 01/06/2008.

FTFY

TX-Law: Other presidents have been under impeachment hearings. Politicians continue to be snakes.

That's why they need frequent reminders.

Regardless, the Legislature has been under fire as the "do-nothing-est" Congress yet. Do you think Impeachment hearings would do much to change that?

Sadly, no. But a person can recognize a moral imperative and still not expect anyone to act on it, right?

Skleenar: Impeachment hearings would do much to change that?

Sadly, no. But a person can recognize a moral imperative and still not expect anyone to act on it, right?

I think empeachment would improve our relations worldwide, and if people like you they are less likely to strap on a bomb and blow up the Gap during black friday.

brantgoose: I always have to stop and think which one is McGovern and which one is Wallace. I think it'd be news if George Wallace dissed the White House--and came out in favour of doing something about AGW.

Since Wallace died in 1998, yes, that certainly would be news.

/braaiiiinnns...?

Actually, Clinton will not be running for President any time soon, as it may prove likely that the next President may in fact order that he stand trial for possibly leaving his administration without dealing with the Bin Laden threat, as a heads up.

There will be a four-year re-evaluation of party priority, I assure you.

skookum: Actually, Clinton will not be running for President any time soon, as it may prove likely that the next President may in fact order that he stand trial for possibly leaving his administration without dealing with the Bin Laden threat, as a heads up.

There will be a four-year re-evaluation of party priority, I assure you.

You're cute.

Skleenar: Sadly, no. But a person can recognize a moral imperative and still not expect anyone to act on it, right?

Well, I suppose that this is just where we're going to disagree. I know far better than to tell someone what is and is not a moral imperative.Skleenar:

TX-Law: Other presidents have been under impeachment hearings. Politicians continue to be snakes.

That's why they need frequent reminders.

Our last 'reminder' opened the door for Dubya and Cheney.

Why cant you mods and admins ban these trolls?

I want to read and maybe participate in a discussion, instead every post is a troll or people responding to the trolls. All it takes is one post and then the whole thread is about THEM.

Don't you Fark people get it? They are ruining Fark

skookum: Actually, Clinton will not be running for President any time soon, as it may prove likely that the next President may in fact order that he stand trial for possibly leaving his administration without dealing with the Bin Laden threat, as a heads up.

There will be a four-year re-evaluation of party priority, I assure you.

There's no crazy like skookum crazy!™

Big Dave: Don't you Fark people get it? They are ruining Fark

You're not going to get very far in life if you can't learn to accept the things you can not change. Free forums do not ban trolls.

I know we all have differing views here on Fark and that some of us are liberals, some of us are 'conservatives', some of us believe global warming is caused by humans and some don't, some of us believe that abortion is a right and others believe it is a sin. The list goes on and on.

However, I think one common thread binds us all together as Americans: the belief that Skookum's shtick is tired and worn out.

/Kumbayaaaaaah, m' Lord, kumbayaaaaaaaaaaahhh...

skookum: Actually, Clinton will not be running for President any time soon, as it may prove likely that the next President may in fact order that he stand trial for possibly leaving his administration without dealing with the Bin Laden threat, as a heads up.

There will be a four-year re-evaluation of party priority, I assure you.

I, for one, find your assurances re-assuring in the absence of evidence.


"It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance." - Thomas Sowell

skookum: The Republicans are going to elect a "placeholder President" as a staging ground for what most likely be a Jeb Bush White House scenario.

For '09 or later on? If he doesn't take it in 09 he'll never take it. Ridding government of Bush is a refreshing experience. Generations will come and go before another stinking Bush takes office in Florida; they're persona non grata here, as I suspect they will be nationwide after 08. Crist has been treated like a god since Jeb! was flushed down the toilet. The next president is going to enjoy the same thing.

Magruda: TX-Law: what would you hope to accomplish by impeaching Bush now?

Showing the world that america still believes in justice. Showing it's people that america still stands for freedom. Setting right what once went wrong. Restore our position as the greatest natoin on earth by standing up for what is right. That kind of thing.

A-farking-men

Karl Rove cut his political teeth on swiftboating George McGovern's war record.

It's okay Turdblossom. Your time has passed. You're less relevant than any of your victims. John Kerry is still in office. Even after your black bastard child attacks, John McCain still stands a chance being elected president. All you're doing is enjoying your still tight rectal canal and your two front teeth.

Say good-bye to your Rovian empire. Say hello to Tiny, your future cell-mate/lover. Hope you like salad, Karl.

I really wish the presidential candidates--republican and democratic--would make a campaign promise of no pardons for Bush and Cheney and other high administration officials. Imagine Mitt Romney saying "If my Attorney General finds crimes committed by Bush or Cheney or their employees, believe me when I say I will issue no pardons them."

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee! I bet a candidate could actually draw a lot of votes by making that statement.

LargeCanine: "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard." -H. L. Mencken

lol and that they did with the Bush administration.

skookum: Actually, Clinton will not be running for President any time soon, as it may prove likely that the next President may in fact order that he stand trial for possibly leaving his administration without dealing with the Bin Laden threat, as a heads up.

HAHAHAHAHA awesome :) You kill me skookum ... you're like the "Larry the Cable Guy" of neoconservatives :)